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Romney's Cheap and Empty Win
The American Spectator ^ | February 1, 2012 | George Neumayr

Posted on 02/01/2012 4:32:22 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife

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To: Cincinatus' Wife

I really try to be a fair man, but I can’t find anything significantly positive about Mitt Romney’s work as governor. Maybe it’s true that his voters are focused on electability, because there is simply no evidence that Mitt believes in any of the three conservative pillars: fiscal, social, and strong national defense. So even if we win with this guy, we lose.

Frankly, I despise the electability argument. First, no one can predict the future, so within reason, no one really knows who is or isn’t electable. Sure, there are extremes there, but pretty much any of the front runners is electable.

Second, if you vote for someone who is at cross purposes to your goals simply because they are electable, you still lose even when they’re elected. For example, if you want government reform but elect someone who is only willing to manage the decline (Romney comes to mind), then what have you gained? Not much.

Third, the electability argument is used to cut off debate over the issues that really matter. People can’t justify Romney based on his performance as governor, so they say he’s most electable. Why? Because they don’t really want to discuss his record. If his record was really worthwhile, they wouldn’t need to use the electability argument, would they? In other words, the electability argument is really nothing more than a lame excuse to shut off debate about a candidate’s real record.


61 posted on 02/01/2012 5:51:04 AM PST by CitizenUSA (Bad? Bad is easy. Anyone can be it. Being good? Now that's something special!)
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To: RFEngineer

Now that you’ve verbally eviscerated Newt...

Your SOLUTION is?...


62 posted on 02/01/2012 5:51:23 AM PST by txrangerette ("HOLD TO THE TRUTH...SPEAK WITHOUT FEAR" - Glenn Beck)
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To: sam_paine
Do not forget... the same people that promote romney are the very ones that made it impossible for any of the people that you referenced to run. They will not treat obama with the same hate that they treat us with. Never lose sight of who the real enemy is... look at those that own the gop today... and I meant OWN the gop. That is exactly what these elite MF’ers have done. We are going to burn their investment to the ground! Step one... STARVE THE BEAST! Make romney and the bush clan withdraw some Cayman dollars... spend grandpa's trust fund... not a dime is our war cry... for now!

LLS

63 posted on 02/01/2012 5:54:16 AM PST by LibLieSlayer (Hey repubic elite scumbags... jam mitt up your collective arses!)
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To: GeronL

Millions of us my friend... enough to deny even a close race.

LLS


64 posted on 02/01/2012 5:55:03 AM PST by LibLieSlayer (Hey repubic elite scumbags... jam mitt up your collective arses!)
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To: TheRobb7

I voted for Conservative Duncan Hunter in 2008

I was 1st in line at our county election commission the 1st day of early voting on the Wednesday

that Saturday Duncan dropped out...

2 days later on Monday FRed dropped out...

Did I have a wasted vote ???

No, I had a clear conscience...

2 weeks later on the actual election day in TN Huckabee won...

We need to have all the primaries on the same day...


65 posted on 02/01/2012 5:55:47 AM PST by Tennessee Nana (46 STATES TO GO)
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To: BfloGuy

Since you seem to love the idea that Romney had a “big win”...never mind the details of it...

Pray tell us WHAT won the day in the Romney win.

If you’re clapping, WHAT are you clapping for?

The writer believes Romney’s “win” means the GOP establishment is signing their party’s death warrant, and he explains WHY that would be true.

That’s his point.

What’s yours?


66 posted on 02/01/2012 5:56:39 AM PST by txrangerette ("HOLD TO THE TRUTH...SPEAK WITHOUT FEAR" - Glenn Beck)
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To: joesbucks
So it's Palin’s fault that the conservative movement as been asleep at the wheel for the past..what...40 years?

You think this fight hasn't gone on within the pubbie part since Goldwater?

I think you need to take some history lessons....

We aren't going to win the fight if we can't win the deck stacking fight within the party first....Face it, the progressive wing of the party has been stacking the deck and calling the shots for a long, long time...one person isn't going to win against that...

you can't lay this at the feet of Palin...

67 posted on 02/01/2012 5:57:18 AM PST by rightwingextremist1776
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Well he did, has and continues to.

But he doesn't count because he isn't taking media attention ( he is the media) and he hasn't sucked campaign money out of the process that could have been used by quality candidates. Candidates who would have had difficulty getting around the cult of personality in the primary process, but over time could have demonstrated their mettle to the primary process.

Unfortunately "You Betcha" sort of sealed their fate and didn't even give us a chance to say yay or ney to "You Betcha" or those other candidates.

68 posted on 02/01/2012 5:57:18 AM PST by joesbucks
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To: TheRobb7

Will lay odds the Ron Paul people have the caucuses sewed up as I type.


69 posted on 02/01/2012 5:57:37 AM PST by Sea Parrot (Be wary of strong drink. It can make you shoot at tax collectors... and miss. Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Seven out of ten self-described conservatives didn't vote for him (Romney).

My take away line from the article and from the Florida primary in general.

70 posted on 02/01/2012 5:57:39 AM PST by The Citizen Soldier (America needs Gingrich in 2012 about as much as England needed Churchill in 1940!)
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To: sam_paine
“Too bad Sarah, Rubio, Ryan and Rand all told us to go pound sand.”

I'm not sure about Rand Paul ...still trying to figure out exactly what he and his Dad have planned. (My initial inclination is to beware of “dynasties” no matter which political party engenders them.

My take on Sarah is that the elites fear her so much that they have marginalized her. I honestly believe it is possible they matched her w/McCain with the expressed purpose of destroying her political potential; even at the cost of losing the election to Obama. Sarah was too much of a threat and had already done a lot of damage to the elites machine in Alaska.

Sarah is doing as much as she feels she can from the sidelines ...it limits the amount of power she has but allows her to use it more judiciously to get her message out to the most people w/o the constraints of GOP “filters” to “muddy” or destroy the content.

Remember, she was the only person of national GOP stature that was out there telling people to “VOTE FOR NEWT” to keep the process going ...and “rage against the machine.”

Sarah's not perfect; and she's more of a populist than a hard line Conservative, but she's “good people” and has demonstrably done more for Conservatism and freedom than any of the other current crop of politicians. (Incidentally, Newt self-identifies as a “populist” in his speeches of late, I noticed.)

The GOP power structure will sell out Conservatives every chance it gets ...count on it. They're a MAJOR part of the problem.

71 posted on 02/01/2012 5:57:56 AM PST by Ozymandias Ghost
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To: rightwingextremist1776
I never said they didn't. Go back to my first reply in this thread.

The problem with the current probably slate is we now have to settle. A moderate or a candidate who shoots from the hip, can't decide what they stand for, demonize those who are at least moving ideas forward (conservative social engineering comments) and has a slimey past. I chuckle when I listen to talk radio these days because hosts you used to say we are the party of values are now flailing with we have imperfect candidates. I've never heard that kind of rationalizing before.

And then you have someone playing I may be a candidate who has a cult like following who simply was playing with a lot of good peoples emotions. Stole a lot of attention and spotlight and sucked a lot of money out of the process.

That's why were in the mess we're in.

72 posted on 02/01/2012 6:02:37 AM PST by joesbucks
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To: BfloGuy

It wasnt a big win RomneyBot

Willie Mitty didnt get a mandate...

54% voted against him...

hows that a big win ???


73 posted on 02/01/2012 6:02:57 AM PST by Tennessee Nana (46 STATES TO GO)
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To: LibLieSlayer

bump


74 posted on 02/01/2012 6:04:30 AM PST by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: CitizenUSA
Second, if you vote for someone who is at cross purposes to your goals simply because they are electable, you still lose even when they’re elected.

So very true.

A real-life example of this would be Arnold Schwarzenegger. The electorate passed on Tom McClintock (true conservative - now congressman) to elect a highly recognizable candidate who did absolutely nothing for the state of California.

75 posted on 02/01/2012 6:05:30 AM PST by The Citizen Soldier (America needs Gingrich in 2012 about as much as England needed Churchill in 1940!)
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To: sam_paine
Too bad Sarah, Rubio, Ryan and Rand all told us to go pound sand.

In the case of Rubio and Rand Paul, they've begun their terms in the Senate. Why expose them to likely defeat because of the "experience" factor.

Plus, considering the meatgrinder all the candidates have had to undergo, including attacks from the dems and the MSM on their families... I have a hard time faulting them for their decisions. As for Palin... c'mon.. the Palins have been run hard through the ringer... they've probably asked her to give it a rest.

76 posted on 02/01/2012 6:08:20 AM PST by ScottinVA (Liberal logic: 0bamacare mandate is acceptable... but voter IDs are unconstitutional.Oh, let me gues)
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To: joesbucks
And what I'm trying to say to you that this is just a symptom of a larger, more critical problem....we conservatives do not have a very good farm team....that is where we get beat every time..

That problem existed long before Palin hit the street...we are up against a well entrenched enemy. You can't expect to win without some team building.

I believe that is what Palin is up to.....and where we need the help the most.

77 posted on 02/01/2012 6:08:57 AM PST by rightwingextremist1776
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To: GeronL; LibLieSlayer
Ann Coulter had better use all the money she earned from her books to support her boy, Mitt, because I ain't giving a dime!

The rest of the Establishment, country club types also had now better open up their wallets - wide. And they had better learn how to cheer for Mitt at TV rallies and strap on boots to go door-to-door for Mitt, because I ain't.

Good luck with all that. Yeah, I know, the Establishment just thinks we have no where else to go and in the end we'll flock to Mitt because of our dislike of Obama. You know what I say to that? Just watch me NOT vote for Mitt in the general election.

78 posted on 02/01/2012 6:12:39 AM PST by Obadiah (If U don't believe you can win, then there is no point in getting out of bed at the end of the day.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Great article and my sentiments exactly.


79 posted on 02/01/2012 6:15:44 AM PST by carmody
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To: Tennessee Nana

“Tawdry is good too...

MO on the spending spree for clothes...”

The “First Clothes Horse”???!!!


80 posted on 02/01/2012 6:19:40 AM PST by Ozymandias Ghost
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