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Obama continues ban on importation of 600,000 historical, collectible M1 Carbine rifles;
Buckeye Firerams Association ^ | 31 January, 2012 | Chad D. Baus

Posted on 02/01/2012 10:12:44 AM PST by marktwain

The Korea Times is reporting that while it has will allow 86,000 historical M1 Garand rifles to be imported from South Korea, the Obama administration continues to block the importation of some 600,000 M1 Carbines because "they come with a magazine that can carry multiple rounds."

From the article:

Washington has agreed to allow the importation of M1 Garand rifles from Seoul, reversing its earlier decision to ban the shipping of the weapon used by South Korean and U.S. soldiers during the 1950-53 Korean War, a senior defense official said Wednesday.

"The U.S. government approved the imports of some 86,000 of the rifles," said Lee Sun-chul, deputy defense minister for force and resources management.

"The historic firearms are expected to be sold to American Korean War veterans and their families in time for the 62nd anniversary of the Korean War, which falls on June 25 this year."

Kim Mi-sung, an official of the force and resources management office, said the defense ministry received an approval letter from the United States on Sept. 2 last year that stated Washington agreed to allow the importation of the M1s.

She noted that the U.S. government, however, rejected Seoul’s proposal to export some 600,000 M1 Carbines, which were also used in the Korean War, as they come with a magazine that can carry multiple rounds unlike the Garands.

This latest development comes more than 16 months after Fox News first reported that Obama had banned the importation of the vintage, collectible rifles. At the time, a State Department spokesman told reporters the administration's decision was based on concerns that the guns could "potentially be exploited by individuals seeking firearms for illicit purposes."

When the ban was first announced, Dennis Henigan of the Brady Campaign to Prevent Gun Violence said "guns that can take high-capacity magazines are a threat to public safety," said "Even though they are old, these guns could deliver a great amount of firepower. So I think the Obama administration's concerns are well-taken."

Ironically, the "firepower," as Henigan calls it, of the M1 Garand, which is chambered in .30-06 Springfield, is far stronger than that of the reduced-power .30 caliber cartridge used in the banned M1 Carbine. But in the ignorant world of the Brady Campaign, a multiple-round magazine filled with what a postwar U.S. Army evaluation concluded was an ineffective cartridge is to be feared more than a cartridge that was developed for when shots of 1000 yards were expected, and which was heavily used by military snipers.

Again, from The Korea Times:

In February last year, U.S. Sen. Jon Tester and Rep. Cynthia Lummis proposed bills for an amendment of the Arms Export Control Act to guarantee that U.S.-made military firearms classified as "curios and relics" will not be blocked from importation.

The legislations allow firearms more than 50 years old, considered antiques or relics and lawfully possessed by a foreign government, to be imported into the United States through properly licensed groups and sold without written permission from the U.S. State or Defense Departments.

Although the Garands have received tentative approval, the article goes on to say a senior defense ministry official raised the possibility that the U.S. government may cancel the plan to allow the purchase the M1s, saying Seoul has yet to finalize negotiations with Washington.

"We have yet to receive confirmation from the United States over our proposal," he said. "The U.S. government may change its position at the last minute due to political considerations."

Chad D. Baus is the Buckeye Firearms Association Vice Chairman.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government
KEYWORDS: banglist; bhofascism; carbine; democrats; garand; govtabuse; guncontrol; korea; obama; tyranny; youwillnotdisarmus
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They refuse to allow the importation of the carbines, even though the manufacture, sale, possession, and use of that very model are all perfectly legal in the United States, and all of the rifles mentioned were manufactured in the United States.

As David Horowitz said, the issue is never the issue. The issue is always the "revolution".

1 posted on 02/01/2012 10:12:52 AM PST by marktwain
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To: marktwain

Korea can hold onto them until Obama is out of office and then sell them in the US of A.


2 posted on 02/01/2012 10:15:44 AM PST by Red Steel
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To: marktwain
What a freaking crock, a 30 carbine is a nice little toy for plinking I have two of them, and more than one of those evil 30 round things, I keep a rock on them so they do not attack anyone.
3 posted on 02/01/2012 10:18:59 AM PST by org.whodat (Sorry bill, I should never have made all those jokes about you and Lewinsky, have fun.)
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To: marktwain

Before I moved to my new home in Kentucky from Seattle, I went to a seattle range to do some test firing. It was surprisingly accurate without a scope at 100 yards. It came with a ten round magazine for $106. I bought it when I was concerned Clinton would ban guns. It was also legal to purchase a 20 round magazine for an extra $15, so I did.


4 posted on 02/01/2012 10:22:06 AM PST by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: marktwain

What’s the big deal, they can just have Holder arrange for some Mexican mobsters to bring them to our shores...


5 posted on 02/01/2012 10:22:48 AM PST by Made In The USA (This post may be recorded for quality purposes.)
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To: marktwain
mitt will outlaw them as assault weapons... go ahead... ask him.

LLS

6 posted on 02/01/2012 10:23:34 AM PST by LibLieSlayer (Hey repubic elite scumbags... jam mitt up your collective arses!)
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To: Red Steel
Korea can hold onto them until Obama is out of office...

Good thinking. Wouldn't want them going to Mexican drug lords.

7 posted on 02/01/2012 10:24:54 AM PST by gundog (Help us, Nairobi-Wan Kenobi...you're our only hope.)
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To: marktwain

They used to sell them at Sears


8 posted on 02/01/2012 10:25:14 AM PST by AppyPappy (If you really want to annoy someone, point out something obvious that they are trying hard to ignore)
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To: marktwain

He doesn't want black people to be able to protect themselves.

9 posted on 02/01/2012 10:27:09 AM PST by Fido969
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To: marktwain

Romney will ban every gun he can. His presidency will seal the fate of the 2nd Amendment, once again having the evil come from within our ranks.


10 posted on 02/01/2012 10:28:29 AM PST by Dogbert41 ("...or by Jerusalem, for it is the city of the Great King. " ....Jesus)
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To: marktwain

Wait a sec. They allow the importation of the M1 Garand because it doesn’t have a magazine, but I got the following from here: http://www.minutemanreview.com/2008/09/clip-vs-magazine-lesson-in-firearm.html

“A magazine is what is used to feed the weapon itself, whereas a clip is used to feed the magazine. Clips make loading of magazines much easier and faster, and in some cases, a clip is required in order for the magazine to work (e.g. M1 Garand).”

So, which is it?


11 posted on 02/01/2012 10:28:33 AM PST by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: marktwain

Are they afraid that these guns might end up in the hands of Mexican drug gangs? Then let Americans buy them and keep them away from either the BATFE or the Justice Department. And what is the point of disallowing rifles with magazines? All of my semi-autos have them. Maybe I need to buy more.


12 posted on 02/01/2012 10:29:30 AM PST by andy58-in-nh (America does not need to be organized: it needs to be liberated.)
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To: cuban leaf

10 and 20 round magazines for the Carbine must be special.

All I’ve ever had were 15 and 30.


13 posted on 02/01/2012 10:31:00 AM PST by Elderberry
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To: Dogbert41

No President can ban guns: only Congress can make laws and the Supreme Court has made it very clear that their authority is severely constrained by the 2nd Amendment. States can regulate firearms, but only up to a point. It doesn’t really matter though, because we’re not going to surrender them voluntarily anyway.


14 posted on 02/01/2012 10:33:12 AM PST by andy58-in-nh (America does not need to be organized: it needs to be liberated.)
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To: Elderberry

No, mine’s an SKS. Chinese made with mostly Russian 7.62 ammo.


15 posted on 02/01/2012 10:38:05 AM PST by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: cuban leaf

“No, mine’s an SKS. Chinese made with mostly Russian 7.62 ammo.”

Stay Focused!

I believe that the discussion is on the M1 Carbine.


16 posted on 02/01/2012 10:40:50 AM PST by Elderberry
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To: Elderberry

—I believe that the discussion is on the M1 Carbine.—

Yeah. I was just mentioning it because I believe they also made it illegal after I bought it. I thought of it as “related”.


17 posted on 02/01/2012 10:44:53 AM PST by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: Red Steel

Do you think Romney will change the policy banning these weapons?


18 posted on 02/01/2012 10:47:46 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: marktwain

I would like 5 copies.


19 posted on 02/01/2012 10:50:11 AM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: AppyPappy
They used to sell them at Sears

didnt sears actually produce some of em ???

20 posted on 02/01/2012 10:51:09 AM PST by Gilbo_3 (Gov is not reason; not eloquent; its force.Like fire,a dangerous servant & master. George Washington)
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To: driftdiver

how about asking him?

This is an easy yes/no answer.


21 posted on 02/01/2012 10:51:41 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: driftdiver

Better chance with a Repub in there than Obum. And with a Gingrich presidency, he would remove the import ban.


22 posted on 02/01/2012 10:51:58 AM PST by Red Steel
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To: marktwain

I know it would be cruel to the carbines, but they could get around the import restriction by pinning a ten round magazine into the receiver so that you would have to feed it with stripper clips.


23 posted on 02/01/2012 10:55:01 AM PST by Elderberry
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To: longtermmemmory

Looking at what he did in Mass I am pretty sure I know the answer.

He would ban weapons that he could and severely regulate the rest. Forget concealed carry, black guns, and hi-cap magazines.

I haven’t heard anyone mention gun control yet, perhaps they know the answer as well.


24 posted on 02/01/2012 10:55:48 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Elderberry

LOL! I was thinking the same thing. Is it way more special than 100 round drums?

http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/MAG055-36.html


25 posted on 02/01/2012 10:58:24 AM PST by mojitojoe (SCOTUS.... think about that when you decide to sit home and pout because your candidate didn't win)
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To: Fido969

Obamas father liked M1 carbines too?


26 posted on 02/01/2012 11:09:53 AM PST by DesertRhino (I was standing with a rifle, waiting for soviet paratroopers, but communists just ran for office)
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To: Gilbo_3

Sears probably sold the Universal Carbine.

The early ones were OK, then they cheapened the design.
I have one of the Universal 256Ferrets that I rebarrelled with a GI barrel. Shoots good. Can’t keep it in ammo though, the way my 2 Sons go through it.


27 posted on 02/01/2012 11:11:55 AM PST by Elderberry
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To: cuban leaf

The Garand has an internal magazine which can be reasonably quickly loaded with a stripper clip (you strip the rounds out of the clip and into the magazine.)

Odumbo’s beef with the carbine is that it has detachable “high-capacity” magazines. Those are inherently evil, and must be banned.


28 posted on 02/01/2012 11:12:18 AM PST by green iguana
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To: marktwain

0bama fears TWO rifles behind every blade of grass instead of just one.


29 posted on 02/01/2012 11:13:07 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: green iguana

—Those are inherently evil, and must be banned.—

Well, yeah, I can’t argue with that. Those things have a mind of their own!


30 posted on 02/01/2012 11:14:12 AM PST by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: green iguana

—Those are inherently evil, and must be banned.—

Well, yeah, I can’t argue with that. Those things have a mind of their own!

It’s ugly when they turn on their owner.


31 posted on 02/01/2012 11:14:33 AM PST by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: Elderberry
I've got a special 5-round magazine so as not to scare the pansies at the Baltimore gun ranges. I've seen the 10-and 20-rounders at gun shows.

The only mil-spec mag sizes were 15-round and 30-round. The 30 round clip was developed for the M3 selective-fire carbine, but a lot of guys used them in thier M1s.

32 posted on 02/01/2012 11:17:16 AM PST by jboot
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To: cuban leaf

“It’s ugly when they turn on their owner.”

Keep those thumbs out of “harm’s Way!”

Oh! I thought we were talking about the Garand.

Sorry.


33 posted on 02/01/2012 11:19:22 AM PST by Elderberry
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To: jboot

I think it was the M2.


34 posted on 02/01/2012 11:21:29 AM PST by Elderberry
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To: org.whodat

A carbine would be nice but what I really would like is some more of that inexpensive Korean 30.06 ammo in the Gerand bandoleers.


35 posted on 02/01/2012 11:21:36 AM PST by fella ("As it was before Noah, so shall it be again.")
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To: fella

I’m down to my last can of ammo.
I can’t imagine the folks with their 1919s.
I have trouble supplying my Garand.


36 posted on 02/01/2012 11:26:05 AM PST by Elderberry
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To: andy58-in-nh

It isn’t just the magazines - it’s how easy it is to convert the carbine to full-auto. Not that I have a problem with that....


37 posted on 02/01/2012 11:26:41 AM PST by I Shall Endure
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To: green iguana
The Garand has an internal magazine which can be reasonably quickly loaded with a stripper clip (you strip the rounds out of the clip and into the magazine.)

I've only seen them loaded using M1 en bloc clips which hold 8 rounds. These clips remain in the magazine until the last shot is fired, then are automatically ejected.

38 posted on 02/01/2012 11:34:25 AM PST by Max in Utah (A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within.)
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To: Elderberry
--Oh! I thought we were talking about the Garand.--

Personally, I think it is time to turn our thoughts to a REAL classic:

Now, THAT's a Carbine!

39 posted on 02/01/2012 11:36:58 AM PST by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: I Shall Endure

I would think that the threat of serious fines and potential jail time would minimize that possibility, as is the case with other semis.


40 posted on 02/01/2012 11:37:26 AM PST by andy58-in-nh (America does not need to be organized: it needs to be liberated.)
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To: cuban leaf

The M1 Garand has a fixed 8 round magazine that you load via a clip that you push down into the rifle. When the last round is fired the clip ejects from the rifle and you are ready to load the next clip into the magazine.

What the M1 carbine has is a detachable magazine that can hold from 15 to 30 rounds. A clip is not needed unless you are loading the magazine from the open bolt of the rifle.

The old saying is “you can load a magazine with a clip, but you can’t load a clip with a magazine”.


41 posted on 02/01/2012 11:40:57 AM PST by Jack Burton007 (This is Jack Burton in the Pork Chop Express, and I'm talkin' to whoever's listenin' out there.)
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To: cuban leaf
*** So, which is it? ***

'It' is not Magazine vs No Magazine. As they both have 'magazines'.

'It' is the fact that the .30 cal M1 Carbine comes with a standard 15 round, (cough-BS) 'high capacity', detachable magazine. While the 30-06 cal M1 Garand has an eight round, 'fixed', internal magazine (which is typically 'Clip' fed. But can be done by hand too, like with my 5 round 8mm Mauser, or an SKS)

So regardless of the facts of the ballistics between the two 'rifle rounds(1)' the gun-grabbers naturally assume that if us knuckle-draggers got these Carbines we'd immediately buy a dozen 30 round magazines and go on killing sprees.

HERE is a picture of the two rifles.

(1) Ruger makes, or used to, a Blackhawk model revolver in .30 cal carbine. Fun little round to shoot. Kinda like an up scaled .22LR

42 posted on 02/01/2012 11:42:39 AM PST by Condor51 (Yo Hoffa, so you want to 'take out conservatives'. Well okay Jr - I'm your Huckleberry)
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To: Max in Utah

Thanks - I had a feeling I had gotten that part wrong.

I need to get me a Garand...


43 posted on 02/01/2012 11:44:17 AM PST by green iguana
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To: Jack Burton007

—The old saying is “you can load a magazine with a clip, but you can’t load a clip with a magazine”.—

What irritates me is when people load magazines with ads.


44 posted on 02/01/2012 11:46:39 AM PST by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: andy58-in-nh

I agree with you. I was just pointing out some of the “logic” behind the ban.


45 posted on 02/01/2012 11:46:54 AM PST by I Shall Endure
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To: cuban leaf

Well then you can just “clip” the ads out of the “magazine” and you’ll be good to go.


46 posted on 02/01/2012 11:53:27 AM PST by Jack Burton007 (This is Jack Burton in the Pork Chop Express, and I'm talkin' to whoever's listenin' out there.)
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To: I Shall Endure

Thanks. This Administration is just invariably hostile to gun owners, no matter what their reasoning. As a practical matter, I wonder how hard it would be to control a weapon firing .30-06 rounds at a high rate, even on a tripod. My shoulder hurts just thinking about it.


47 posted on 02/01/2012 11:57:01 AM PST by andy58-in-nh (America does not need to be organized: it needs to be liberated.)
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To: Jack Burton007

Good one! :-)


48 posted on 02/01/2012 11:57:56 AM PST by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: marktwain

So we’ll just have to buy another Ruger Mini-30!


49 posted on 02/01/2012 11:58:49 AM PST by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Condor51

More like “us knuckle-draggers would go buy a dozen 30 rd magazines and be ready for them when they tried their communist revolution”


50 posted on 02/01/2012 11:59:58 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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