[Secret Agent Man]

The only people who are for communism are those that believe they can’t make enough to live the way they want to live on their own.

If you bust your ass doing serious technical things, and some other shlep does janitorial work, and you both get paid the same...? The work isn’t equal. The work of the scientist or engineer is worth more than the guy who hands you a coffee. Who wants to bust their ass for no extra recognition and lack of proper renumeration for their work?

[cripplecreek]

If you bust your ass doing serious technical things, and some other shlep does janitorial work, and you both get paid the same...?

I read some SEIU literature a while back that suggested that everyone from a hospital administrator to the janitor should make the same money.

Why the hell would anyone spend years in school and a million dollars to become a brain surgeon when they could simply pick up a mop and go to work? I have no issues with janitors. Its good honest work and I did it myself for a while but the laws of supply and demand work the same with labor as they do with products. Our society has few people who can be brain surgeons and millions who can be janitors.

[pieceofthepuzzle]

“Who wants to bust their ass for no extra recognition and lack of proper renumeration for their work?”

No one. Taking the Olympics as an example, how many people would sacrifice their youth, get up a 5am every morning to train, for years, if everyone was given the same Gold medal for just showing up? Ironically, why were the Soviets so taken with their athletic quest for Gold medals? Shouldn't they have been for equal outcome?

The bottom line is that anyone and everyone who states they are a communist or true socialist is by definition a hypocrite. It's that simple and consistent.