Posted on 02/05/2012 9:09:14 AM PST by MBT ARJUN
This was indeed true following WW1. Ghandi was a leading light with his policy of passive resistance. He was actually kept alive when purporting to fast to the death. Some foreign ambassador to Britain said - "Too civilized,other countries would have shot him".
Alas, Ghandi was murdered in 1948 by his own kind. Over a million souls died when the British quit India. Religious differences .Educated people in Canada of Indian extraction seem to praise the British for stabilizing that country. The British hammered the Thugees, a tribe of thugs who robbed the defenseless, as a way of life. (Thugs)
India is the second fastest growing economy currently and has been growing at time at 10% growth rate. Unlike UK (or even US) its no longer a failing economy that is drowning in deep debt. For over a decade and half India had a budget surplus and a surplus of foreign currency reserve. In a few years India will topple UK (also France and Germany) to become the 4th largest economy in the world.
So they want to stand on their own feet and not live off handouts (as they rightly should). What exactly do you find wrong with that? Or it it the fact that those brown skinned third world country asserting their economic independence is what is turning you off? Which is it?
Tea, cloth, indigo, huge labor force, strategic location.
Dear India:
You tell them. The days of colonialist condescension are over.
Truly yours with no strings attached:
Israel
PS: What say we team up together against Muslim threat.
Believe it or not, India has her own foreign aid program (roughly worth $1.5 billion) to Afghanistan, Nepal, Burma and West Africa.
Recently India bailed out Europe with $2 billion dollars...
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/India-to-give-2bn-to-fund-bailouts-in-Europe/articleshow/9463341.cms
And lent $10 billion dollars to IMF....
http://www.indianexpress.com/news/a-reversal-of-fortune-india-lends-to-imf/630443/
......Spices,gold, ivory,jute,tobacco,cotton, labor force that built rail roads in Africa, worked on plantation in Africa/West Indies and fought wars for the British Empire in Africa, Europe, West Asia and South East Asia.......
I am all for alliance with Israel against the Islamic world. Israel is India’s best ally! UK, Europe is dead beat.
“We really don’t need the 15 million of your citizens you sent us.”
Maybe you should come up with an English version of Mahatma Gandhi and launch a Quit England movement to fight for British independence from India. That might work. (Although you will still have to fight the Muslim invaders separately).
As for the “aid” I call it reparation money, but for all the 250 years looting and plunder its still peanuts!
America, Europe and UK will be back in the saddle one day. But neither of us need be the horse. We are too small for such heavy riders, and you are too large. We are both too intelligent to be anything less than equals.
Indian soldiers storm a German trench, after exploding it with hand grenades.
An Italian soldier surrenders to an Indian Jawan during the successful allied campaign of Operation Crusader
Colonies, Colonials and World War Two
By Marika Sherwood
2011-03-30
India
Troops from the British Empire fought in every theatre of war through the years of World War Two - as they had fought in a range of conflicts, on the side of Britain, for the past 150 years or so.
There were over two and a half million Indian citizens in uniform during the war. The Fifth Indian Division, for example, fought in the Sudan against the Italians, and then in Libya against the Germans. From North Africa the Division was moved to Iraq to protect the oilfields.
After this relatively easy posting, the Division was moved to the Burma front, together with eight other Indian Divisions, and then occupied Malaya. It was then moved to Java to disarm the Japanese garrison there. The men from this Division won four Victoria Crosses. In addition, Indians served in the Royal Indian Navy and in the Indian Air Force which, in recognition of it's war contribution, was granted royal status in 1945.
... Indian personnel received 4,000 awards for gallantry, and 31 VCs.
The Fourth Indian Division also fought in North Africa, Syria, Palestine, Cyprus and then in Italy. Together with the 8th and 10th Division it participated in the taking of Monte Cassino, after which it was moved to Greece. Four men of the Fourth were awarded Victoria Crosses.
Over 36,000 Indian members of the armed forces were killed or went missing in action, and 64,354 were wounded during the war. Indian personnel received 4,000 awards for gallantry, and 31 VCs. The only VC winner from elsewhere in the Empire was Corporal Sefanaia Sukanaivalu, of the Fiji Military Forces, who earned this highest of all commendations in June 1944, at Bougainville.
The story of one of the 31 recipients of the VC is that of Havildar Gaje Ghale, who, in May 1943 was in command of D platoon, 2nd battalion, 5th Royal Gurkha Rifles. Although badly wounded, he continued to lead a charge against the Japanese forces on the Tiddim Road in Burma.
The citation for his Victoria Cross stated that he had ‘dominated the fight’ with ‘his outstanding example, doubtless courage and superb leadership...[C]overed in blood from his own wounds, he led assault after assault’.
The land of India also served as an assault and training base, and provided vast quantities of foods and other materials to British and Commonwealth forces, and to the British at home. This necessitated the involvement of more millions of men and women in war work and war production.
The Kohima War Epitaph:
Kohima, India.
India played a significant part in World War One. However, India’s part in the war is frequently overlooked as a result of the horrors experienced in trench warfare and by Europe’s tendency to home in on battles such as those fought at the Somme andVerdun, which many assume only Europeans fought in.
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When was broke out in 1914, India was in a state of growing political unrest. The Indian National Congress had gone from being a group that simply discussed issues to a body that was pushing for more self-government. Before the war started, the Germans had spent a great deal of time and energy trying to stir up an anti-British movement in India. Many shared the view that if Britain got involved in a crisis somewhere in the world, Indian separatists would use this as an opportunity to advance their cause.
| “The moment Britain gets into trouble elsewhere, India, in her present temper, would burst into a blaze of rebellion.” William Archer (author) |
These fears were unfounded. When war was declared on August 4th, India rallied to the cause. Those with influence within India believed that the cause of Indian independence would best be served by helping out Britain in whatever capacity India could – including the Indian National Congress. Offers of financial and military help were made from all over the country. Hugely wealthy princes offered great sums of money, and even areas outside of British India offered help – Nepal offered help and in total sent 100,000 Gurkhas and the Dalai Lama in Tibet offered 1000 of his troops to the cause. Despite the pre-war fears of unrest, Britain, in fact, could take many troops and most of her military equipment out of India as fears of unrest subsided. Indian troops were ready for battle before most other troops in the dominions.
Indian troops were on the Western Front by the winter of 1914 and fought at the first Battle of Ypres. By the end of 1915, they had sustained many casualties. Along with the casualties from sickness, the decision was taken to withdraw the Indian Corps from front line duty at the end of 1915.
In total, 800,000 Indian troops fought in all the theatres of the war with 1½ million volunteering to fight. They fought in most theatres of war including Gallipoli and North and East Africa. In all 47,746 were classed as killed or missing with 65,000 wounded.
The Indian Corps won 13,000 medals for gallantry including 12 Victoria Crosses. Khudadad Khan won the Corps first Victoria Cross.
Such was the cost of the war, that India’s economy was pushed to near bankruptcy.
The Indian support given to Britain’s cause surprised the establishment in Britain. ‘The Times’ wrote:
| “The Indian empire has overwhelmed the British nation by the completeness and unanimity of its enthusiastic aid.” |
For its endeavours, India expected to be rewarded with a major move towards independence or at the least self-government. When it became obvious that this was not going to happen, the mood in India became more militant. During the last phases of the war Mahatma Gandhi said:
| “Seek ye first the recruiting office, and everything will be added unto you.” |
The British government’s post-war attitude quickly alienated Gandhi and was a great stimulus for his independence movement.
In 1919, the Government of India Act was introduced.
This introduced a national parliament with two houses for India.
About 5 million of the wealthiest Indians were given the right to vote (a very small percentage of the total population.
Within the provincial governments, ministers of education, health and public works could now be Indian nationals.
The act planned for a commission to be held in 1929, to see if India was ready for more concessions/reforms.
However, the British controlled all central government and within the provincial governments, the British kept control of the key posts of tax and law and order.
Many in India felt that they had been badly let down by the British government for their part played in World War One. However, despite this feeling of being let down, India was to play a significant part in World War Two.
Indian cavalry from the Deccan Horse during the Battle of Bazentin Ridge.
The Indian Army during World War I, sometimes called the British Indian Army, contributed a number of divisions and independent brigades to the European, Mediterranean and the Middle east theatres of war in World War I. One million Indian troops would serve overseas, of whom 62,000 died and another 67,000 were wounded. In total 74,187 Indian soldiers died during the war.
The Indian Army had undergone major reforms in 1903, after Kitchener was appointed Commander-in-Chief, India. He instituted the large–scale reforms, including merging the three armies of the Presidencies into a unified force and forming higher level formations, ten army divisions.
In World War I the Indian Army fought against the German Empire in German East Africa and on the Western Front. At the First Battle of Ypres, Khudadad Khan became the first Indian to be awarded a Victoria Cross. Indian divisions were also sent to Egypt, Gallipoli and nearly 700,000 served in Mesopotamia against the Ottoman Empire.
Indian Army gunners (probably 39th Battery) with 3.7 inch Mountain HowitzersJerusalem 1917. The Indian Army during World War II began the war, in 1939, numbering just under 200,000 men. By the end of the war it had become the largest volunteer army in history, rising to over 2.5 million men in August 1945. Serving in divisions of infantry, armour and a fledgling airborne force, they fought on three continents in Africa, Europe and Asia. The Indian Army fought in Ethiopia against the Italian Army, in Egypt, Libya and Tunisia against both the Italian and German Army, and, after the Italian surrender, against the German Army in Italy. However, the bulk of the Indian Army was committed to fighting the Japanese Army, first during the British defeats in Malaya and the retreat from Burma to the Indian border; later, after resting and refitting for the victorious advance back into Burma, as part of the largest British Empire army ever formed. These campaigns cost the lives of over 36,000 Indian servicemen, while another 34,354 were wounded, and 67,340 became prisoners of war. Their valour was recognised with the award of some 4,000 decorations, and 38 members of the Indian Army were awarded the Victoria Cross or the George Cross. Troops of 19th Division open fire on a Japanese strong point.
Sherman tank of the 9th Royal Deccan Horse, 255th Indian Tank Brigade, Burma 1945. A section of Sikh infantry during Operation Crusader. Indian soldiers in action before the capture of Keren in Eritrea . This gun hurled approximately 24,000 shells a day. Note the shadow of camouflage on the field gun. A soldier from the 5th Indian Division stands guard over Japanese prisoners outside their former headquarters in Singapore, September 1945.
An Indian soldier holds a captured Nazi flag. Germany, 1945.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1526840/posts Havildar who fought off three attacks by Japanese infantry and set a supreme example of gallantry AS A havildar (sergeant), Umrao Singh was the only non-commissioned officer of either the Royal Artillery or the Indian Artillery to be awarded the Victoria Cross in the Second World War. Forward observation officers are frequently at great personal risk when in exposed positions so as to direct artillery fire in support of armoured or infantry units. But Singh won his award for valour in what all gunners regard as their near-sacred duty — defence of the guns. By the end of 1944, General Sir William Slim’s 14th Army was poised for a right-flank offensive against Lieutenant-General Sakurai Seizo’s 28th Japanese Army in the coastal strip between the Irrawaddy and the Bay of Bengal. General Sir Philip Christison’s XV Corps of four divisions was given the job. The offensive was launched on December 12 but fierce resistance was met by the 81st West African Division advancing down the Kaladan valley, every move forward being challenged by Japanese counter-attack. The 33 Mountain Battery, Indian Artillery, in which Havildar Umrao Singh was a field-gun detachment commander, was subjected to a sustained bombardment from Japanese 75mm guns and heavy mortars for one and a half hours on December 16, immediately before his gun position was attacked by two companies of Japanese infantry. Twice wounded by grenades during the first assault, Singh fought off the enemy with the detachment’s Bren light-machinegun while directing the rifle fire of the gun crew. The second Japanese attack killed all the crew other than two members and himself, but was nevertheless beaten off. When the third assault came only a few rounds of small-arms ammunition remained and this was quickly used. With his last shot gone Singh seized a “gun bearer” — a heavy crowbar-like rod used for turning the gun trail — and closed with the attacking Japanese. He led the two surviving gun-crew members in hand-to-hand fighting until they were overwhelmed. He was seen to strike down three enemy infantrymen before falling under a rain of blows to the head. Six hours later, after a counter-attack recovered the battery position, Singh was found unconscious beside his field-gun and almost unrecognisable from head wounds. Ten Japanese dead lay around him. The citation for the award of the Victoria Cross read: “Havildar Umrao Singh set a supreme example of gallantry and devotion to duty.” His gun was still fit for firing and was in action again that day. He received his VC from King George VI at Buckingham Palace on October 15, 1945. Umrao Singh was born in the village of Paka in the Rohtak district of the Punjab, an area now part of the Indian state of Haryana. He continued his military service after recovery from his injuries and was subsequently promoted subadar-major. He eventually retired from the Indian Army with the honorary rank of captain. In 1983 he was farming a two-acre smallholding inherited from his father in his home village. He owned a single buffalo and a cart, lived in a small mud-brick house and was finding life hard on a basic Indian Army pension of £14 a month. A friend who knew of his award suggested that he should sell his decoration, as he had heard that a VC had recently been sold for £20,000 in London. In spite of his straitened circumstances, Captain Singh refused to sell his VC for an offered sum of £32,000, saying to do so “would stain the honour of those who fell in battle beside me”. Subsequently he received a Haryana state pension of £50 per month. Singh accompanied the Indian Army contingent to London for the 50th anniversary of the end of the Second World War. Although his name was on the list of those attending, it was not included with other holders of the VC or George Cross, who were invited to join the VIP party for the march past of veterans. It was while he was being delayed from entering the VIP stand by a security official that he was seen by the officer responsible for staging the event (Brigadier Tom Longland) who recognised Singh’s VC and ordered his immediate admission. After the march past of veterans, Singh was presented to the late Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother and to the Prime Minister, John Major. While in conversation with the Prime Minister, the matter of pensions for holders of the VC and GC was raised. Major was amazed to discover that the pension had been set at £100 per year shortly after the Second World War and never increased. He took steps to secure Parliamentary approval for an increase to £1,300 per annum, no mean sum in rural India. After the interview, Singh reported: “I don’t think the Prime Minister speaks Hindi but when I talked to him, he just said ‘yes’ to everything.” Shortly afterwards, Singh retired from farming, but continued his close interest in the welfare of Indian Army pensioners, particularly in the correct receipt of their pension money. On May 14, 2003, he attended the Service of Dedication of the Victoria Cross and George Cross Memorial in Westminster Abbey in the presence of the Queen, patron of the Victoria Cross and George Cross Association, and the Duke of Edinburgh. His wife, Vimla, predeceased him; he is survived by two sons and a daughter. His death leaves only 12 surviving holders of the VC, eight of whom won their awards during the Second World War and four in subsequent campaigns, including Private Johnson Beharry, who won his VC in Iraq in 2004. Captain Umrao Singh, holder of the Victoria Cross, was born on July 11, 1920. He died on November 21, 2005, aged 85.
Captain Umrao Singh, VC
And if you have the time, read about the 21 Sikhs: The Battle of Saragarhi, Afghanistan.
http://www.badassoftheweek.com/21sikhs.html
On the one hand, there was the looting and the plunder. On the other, the benefits: European scientific and medical advances and education, and best of all having the British to be pissed off at instead of one another. British former colonies such as America, India, Israel have done all right for themselves afterwards, and have often had a good friend in their former master. They are wonderful people once they are at home and stay there, as Lin Yutang said (Between Tears and Laughter, Dooubleday, 1940).
I guess they want India to take the money so some special british interest can get a cut of it.
It seems as though the Brits have lost their marbles and have totally flipped because of this deal. Only last year David Cameron made his first overseas visit to India, courting India as a country that is more important then even then US! With the MMRCA deal going to the French, the Brits are now hollering for cancellation of the “aid program” (that India never asked for in the first place), want to cancel the visa program, stop all outsourcing and even trade with India! This deal really touched a raw nerve with the Brits.
Funny thing is, its difficult to tell if they are angry about Britain giving away that money or India refusing to take that money. Also what is funny is that UK is angry at India for not buying the Typhoon but UK has actually reduced their own Typhoon order to buy F-35s.
http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/opinion/columns/article2863252.ece?homepage=true
The Indian military has bankrolled British military industries pretty significantly over the past 65 years. Off the top of my head, it was the largest buyer of several British warplanes-the Canberra, Folland Gnat, Hawker Sea Hawk, Hawker Hunter, Jaguar, Sea Harrier and BAe Hawk in addition to plenty of frigates, destroyers and two aircraft carriers as well as tanks.
Actually the profit margins for defense exports are significantly higher then 6%. They could be anywhere between 12% to 17%.
That would mean a profit margin of anywhere between $2.5 to $3.5 billion dollars. And this we are talking about just profit margins. The actual overall $20 billion dollars worth of contract would be pumping much needed cash flow into the debt ridden European economy. It will not only create jobs but also help build industrial base and kick start economic activity.
Cameron’s peanut $1.2 billion will only generate so many government jobs. And we all know how well government created jobs work for the economy.
The Brits weren’t offering to buy everyone in India a Big Mac.
ooooooooooooooh. poor choice of terms.
To be honest, Indian investment has been the only kind of investment that has been steadily increasing in UK and has been creating jobs. Indian investments in UK is secondly only to US. For the entirety of last century Indian blood and sweat had kept the British economy/military afloat. There is only so much Indian money can do to keep a thankless and arrogant Britain economically alive. After that they have to start begging or declare bankruptcy like the Europeans.
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