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1 posted on 02/07/2012 8:35:53 PM PST by SeekAndFind
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I don’t care what he thinks now. My Church did the right thing and said it the right way: We will not comply. Should I be grateful if he “gives” us our rights back?


2 posted on 02/07/2012 8:40:46 PM PST by Vince Ferrer
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It isn’t just the Catholics that he attacked, it is the defining of Separation of Church and State. This clown has defined it well for everybody. (The true meaning that is)!

The entire world that holds God as the Creator of Rights has kicked numb-nuts Obama squarely in the crotch. The marxist asshat hasn’t a clue.


6 posted on 02/07/2012 8:47:08 PM PST by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west)/?)
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My worry is that it is political theater for the won, and will be rescinded with great pomp and ceremony just before election day in November.


7 posted on 02/07/2012 8:47:14 PM PST by redhead
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9 posted on 02/07/2012 8:51:54 PM PST by narses
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Ugh to these false Catholics they poll who want birth control provided to them via their employer.

The first thing they should ask when they’re polling is not “are you a Catholic?” but rather, “Are you a regular, every Sunday and Holy Day of Obligation Catholic?” More than half would have to say no, and then the numbers of those who want abortion and birth control would dwindle down quite substantially.

The problem is how they count Catholics. Just because you were born Catholic doesn’t make you Catholic. You’ve got to believe in God; believe that Jesus was born of the Virgin Mary, died for our sins, and rose again and ascended into Heaven; go to Mass regularly; go to Holy Reconcilliation several times a year; AND follow the tenants and dogma of the Faith.

Now I’m sure the media doesn’t care, because these CINOs are almost always liberal like them, but they are not faithful Catholics. Let’s be real.


13 posted on 02/07/2012 8:55:26 PM PST by Alas Babylon!
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We NEED this to go to the Federal Courts.

The last thing the commie want is for Obamacare to go into the court system under First Amendment grounds.

It could come out the other side as a Fourteenth Amendment issue.

We can not, must not consider compromise.

The regulation must be obliterated in its' entirety.

Then it becomes a political issue for Obama and the left.

14 posted on 02/07/2012 8:56:58 PM PST by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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Do not allow yourself to be bamboozled. If the Illegal Kenyan, God forbid, should get reelected, he will reverse himself once again, before the echoes of his second lying oath of office fade off down the Potomac, and will once more, and to an exponentially greater degree, demonstrate his hate and disdain for true Christianity.

During the Cold War we were subjected to Aesopian Language from the Ruskies; with them throwing around words which were “sacred” to us, but which had a totally different and nefarious meaning to THEM. A good example would be PEACE. We all know what world peace means to us; but to THEM it meant the total surrender of the USA and the rest of the world to Soviet Communist Rule, with no resistance to whatever they wanted to do. THAT’s the kind of “peace” they intended.

Likewise, when Zero talks about his “Christian Faith” he means HIS brand of “Liberation Theology” where all the achievers have their assets confiscated by the government and redistributed to the leeches and layabouts!

IF he does reverse himself NOW, and relents on the requirements on Christian organizations, it is only a head fake to get him successfully past November 6th.


18 posted on 02/07/2012 9:00:20 PM PST by Tucker39 (Psa 68:19 Blessed be the Lord, who daily loadeth us with benefits; even the God of our salvation.KJV)
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How dangerous is this for them?...Very dangerous - for years I have been mumbling to my wife about the arrogance of the left, how they're gradually taking away our freedoms and putting themselves in charge etc etc - as recently as last week she told me she didn't care because none of what was going on really affected her - then on Sunday she went to church and heard her priest read a letter from the Bishop complaining about what Obama was doing and promising to fight - suddenly the light has flashed on - more than just the immediate issue of forcing the purchase of contraception on Catholics, this action by the government has made specific and concrete what before was sort of vague and abstract for many people - Obama is never going to be able to "walk it back" all the way because finally a lot of people have been awakened.....
21 posted on 02/07/2012 9:07:57 PM PST by Intolerant in NJ
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It’s abortifacients being mandated also, not just contraceptives. I am so thankful that the Church said that they will not follow this law. Finally a major organization standing up to the Regime.


22 posted on 02/07/2012 9:08:12 PM PST by Elvina (BHO is doubleplus ungood.)
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27 posted on 02/07/2012 9:32:00 PM PST by Beowulf9
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NEVERINTERRUPT
28 posted on 02/07/2012 9:32:54 PM PST by FrankR (You are only enslaved to the extent of the entitlements you receive.)
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They will pretend to have second thoughts long enough to get this issue out of the headlines.


29 posted on 02/07/2012 9:33:07 PM PST by Let's Roll (Save the world's best healthcare - REPEAL, DEFUND Obamacare!)
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Beware of a feint. The underlying problem is that Obamacare gave bureaucrats the authority to issue regulations like this. Until Obamacare as a whole is repealed or found unconstitutional, any “compromise” tendered by the White House is meaningless. To accept such a “compromise” would be to acknowledge the authority to make the regulations in the first place. Obamacare gave Sebelius that authority. If she now retracts her regs and the bishops and press all gush over her magnanimity and kindness, it only reinforces that we attend upon her right hand as humble maidservants because of Obamacare.

If the bishops understood what they are up against, they’d never mention overturning the regulations without also mentioning the need to overturn the “legislation” that spawned these regulations.

Santorum would be well-placed to focus attention on this, in a way Romney can’t even begin to do. Unfortunately, the bishops would probably leave him to twist in the wind, once the regs were magnanimously retractedd and the libertarian conservatives would stab him in the back while he twists in the wind, being spit upon as a homophobe and woman-hater and so forth by the lefties.

If Catholics, Evangelicals and libertarians could make common cause backing him, it could be a watershed election.

Unless, of course, Gingrich plays spoiler and hands the nomination to Mitt. In which case we are stuck with Obamacare and ten times worse
forever. RIP American Republic.


30 posted on 02/07/2012 9:33:51 PM PST by Houghton M.
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Keep up the pressure, yes. But also hope it doesn't succeed.

Because, then American Catholics will know the only way to save their freedom is to oust Obama!

33 posted on 02/07/2012 9:36:43 PM PST by cynwoody
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BS. As soon as they can, they will re-institute the rule. This temporary reversal, like everything Democrats do, is a political lie.


42 posted on 02/08/2012 12:27:45 AM PST by SoFloFreeper
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"Why did Catholic organizations support ObamaCare in the first place when they knew there was a risk that it would force conflicts of conscience like this one?"

Seems like this is a "and when they came for me" moment for Catholics. But as others have posted, Obama will back off, and then when he is re-elected, he will re institute the rules, and it will be too late for people of conscience. The choice will be compliance or persecution.

Note to Catholic organizations: Lay down with America hating, Catholic hating, Christian hating, Constitution hating, freedom hating Marxists and you get up with Marxists in charge of your Church, not Catholics.

43 posted on 02/08/2012 1:25:32 AM PST by Enterprise ("Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." Voltaire)
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Notice that it was Axelrod, Obama’s ‘po;itical advisor that was sent out to try and molify/modify the situation. There is no backing down on principle as such. They will try it on again if the political landscape allows them to get away with it. here is hoping that the scales have now fallen from the eyes of American Catholics.


45 posted on 02/08/2012 2:19:07 AM PST by Emerson C
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Notice that it was Axelrod, Obama’s ‘po;itical advisor that was sent out to try and molify/modify the situation. There is no backing down on principle as such. They will try it on again if the political landscape allows them to get away with it. here is hoping that the scales have now fallen from the eyes of American Catholics.


46 posted on 02/08/2012 2:19:17 AM PST by Emerson C
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I hope Obozo doesn't back down, I hope he keeps fighting this till the day he loses the election. I want this played out on talk radio, in the newspapers, television and the Internet for the next 8+ months.

I want every single christian aware of what a lying sack of cat poop this charlatan really is.And then I want the Republican candidate who ever it is to win sin such a landslide that there is no doubt that it isn't racism, but old fashion common sense that got Obozo's stanky lanky @$$ kicked out of office. /rant

47 posted on 02/08/2012 2:40:10 AM PST by verga (Protestant puppies have their eyes closed, Catholic ones have their eyes open.)
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Since health insurance cannot be sold across state lines, this particular federal over-reach cannot be justified by the commerce clause. This one should be easy to overturn in court. The only thing to like is that it is a political blunder of the first order.

As to that other over-reach called the Obamacare individual mandate, it will now be impossible for the Justice Department to argue before the Supremes that there will be no “slippery slope” toward mandating other items for us to purchase.


49 posted on 02/08/2012 3:16:41 AM PST by wayoverontheright
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