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To: silverleaf

I was not suggesting that we destroy the people - I said the will of the people to fight - ala WWI and WWII. Nothing to ignore in your statement. Taking over any country means invading and controlling every square inch of the country - see Japan and France as GREAT examples - not winning the hearts of the women.

We will NEVER reach that point in a muslim country, because these women have been brainwashed far longer and deeper than any couple of month or year long “peace chats” with female soldiers will help.

Beans and butter takes MUCH longer with much LESS results - which means having Americans in harms way for more time. Basic math says that means MORE DEAD AMERICANS. This is a STUPID combat method!

If we are going to win their hearts, then do that with humanitarians - NOT COMBAT SOLDIERS! You are trying to mix two of the most DIVERSE options in a happy middle-medium arena while tying the hands of combat soldiers - which leads to MORE DEAD AMERICANS.

Do you see where and why this does not, will not and has never worked? It goes like one of the fun Marine Corps sayings, “I’m a Marine, I’m here to help you, now shut-up or I will burn your hut down!” You can’t have it both ways.

Take control of the country and then met-out help and influence to show the women that things can be different. Allow them to control their own futures AFTER we disarm them - not while we are also fighting them!

Engaging in beans and butter diplomacy while we are shooting at them and they are shooting at us - WILL NEVER WORK!


29 posted on 02/09/2012 8:44:21 AM PST by ExTxMarine (PRAYER: It's the only HOPE for real CHANGE in America!)
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To: ExTxMarine

well, the marines have been using women in this “combat support” role since at least 2009 and are expanding the FETs

It looks like this change opening up MOS is part of the recognition the female teams are effective, but need better training offered to the combat MOS so the commanders are not creating de facto female combat troops out of support officers, female mechanics etc, after they are sent to the field

Ask a combat team trying to pacify a village if they dont want any ‘humanitarian” FET’s long to search the females and children, interrogate them, and help control them and win their cooperation while their men are being searched and questioned

and by the way, at one time the IRA terros also seemed intractable until their savagery got the women of Northern Ireland pissed and they began a mass movement to put an sock in it

So yeah, I thnk it is worth a shot, we’ve got a lot of brave marines committed to it (female and male)

the Russians amply demonstrated that scorched earth invading and controlling doesn’t work


33 posted on 02/09/2012 9:05:20 AM PST by silverleaf (Common sense is not so common- Voltaire)
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