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Marine Corps says snipers posted with Nazi SS symbol in Afghanistan
Fox News ^ | February 10th, 2012 | Fox News

Posted on 02/10/2012 4:37:35 AM PST by KantianBurke

SAN DIEGO – The Marine Corps on Thursday once again did damage control after a photograph surfaced of a sniper team in Afghanistan posing in front of a flag with a logo resembling that of the notorious Nazi SS -- a special unit that murdered millions of Jews, gypsies and others. The Corps said in a statement that using the symbol was not acceptable, but the Marines in the photograph taken in September 2010 will not be disciplined because investigators determined it was a naive mistake. The Marines believed the SS symbol was meant to represent sniper scouts and never intended to be associated with a racist organization, said Maj. Gabrielle Chapin, a spokeswoman at Camp Pendleton, where the Marines were based.

Rabbi Marvin Hier, founder of the Simon Wiesenthal Center, headquartered in Los Angeles, said he does not buy the explanation that posing with the flag was an innocent mistake and insisted the American public has a right to know what happened.

"If you look at any book on the Nazi period, this is the dreaded symbol of the SS, and to have a Marine Corps unit adopt it and put it beside the American flag when 200,000 Americans died to free the world of that dreaded symbol is just beyond the pale," he said.

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Color me skeptical that the Marine in question who owned the flag had no idea about its origins. And while one should roll their eyes about the hoopla surrounding peeing on dead insurgents, Nazi idolatry has no place in our military.
1 posted on 02/10/2012 4:37:48 AM PST by KantianBurke
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To: KantianBurke

These guys are bad asses that kill the enemy and instill terror. Let them work.


2 posted on 02/10/2012 4:43:21 AM PST by 762X51
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To: 762X51

Yes, they are badasses, and we should let them work. Nazi insignia, however, have no place in anyone’s military.


3 posted on 02/10/2012 4:46:21 AM PST by dinodino
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To: 762X51

"Nuts"

4 posted on 02/10/2012 4:48:16 AM PST by KantianBurke (Where was the Tea Party when Dubya was spending like a drunken sailor?)
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To: KantianBurke
"The image has since surfaced on an Internet blog, sparking widespread outrage and calls for a full investigation and punishment, including bringing those in the photograph and anyone who condoned it to court martial."

Liberals, always out to ruin peoples lives. Chew them out and move on.
5 posted on 02/10/2012 4:53:37 AM PST by Old Teufel Hunden
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To: 762X51

Has anyone a picture of what this supposed SS symbol looked like? That might add some context - maybe it is a stretch to interpret as Nazi-like.


6 posted on 02/10/2012 4:54:04 AM PST by 2harddrive
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To: KantianBurke
The Corps said in a statement that using the symbol was not acceptable, but the Marines in the photograph taken in September 2010 will not be disciplined because investigators determined it was a naive mistake.

A result, no doubt, from receiving a public school education.

7 posted on 02/10/2012 4:54:09 AM PST by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: KantianBurke
"Nuts", times two...
Photobucket
8 posted on 02/10/2012 4:56:10 AM PST by PowderMonkey (WILL WORK FOR AMMO)
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To: KantianBurke

I agree with you about Nazi idolatry. But considering how many high school grads can’t even find the Pacific Ocean on a map, I find it believable that they were really that clueless.


9 posted on 02/10/2012 4:56:39 AM PST by mockingbyrd
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To: KantianBurke

The keyword in the media slur against the Marines is “resembling”. Note that the current regime and their worthless adherents does not resemble the Nazis.


10 posted on 02/10/2012 4:56:44 AM PST by MrBambaLaMamba (This Message Contains Privileged Attorney-Client Communications)
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To: 2harddrive

11 posted on 02/10/2012 4:56:47 AM PST by KantianBurke (Where was the Tea Party when Dubya was spending like a drunken sailor?)
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To: KantianBurke

I saw a picture of this on CNN this morning. It’s a real stretch to compare it to a Nazi flag.


12 posted on 02/10/2012 4:57:15 AM PST by McGruff (Think Brokered Convention)
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To: 2harddrive

It doesn’t just “resemble” the SS symbol, it is the SS symbol! I wonder who came up with that bright idea…

13 posted on 02/10/2012 4:58:32 AM PST by cartan
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To: McGruff

“It’s a real stretch to compare it to a Nazi flag.”

Not true. See post 11.


14 posted on 02/10/2012 4:59:15 AM PST by KantianBurke (Where was the Tea Party when Dubya was spending like a drunken sailor?)
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To: KantianBurke

Photoshop job?


15 posted on 02/10/2012 5:04:01 AM PST by Fresh Wind ('People have got to know whether or not their president is a crook.' Richard M. Nixon)
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To: KantianBurke

Looks just like the S’s in the KISS logo.

http://rockenestadopuro.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/kiss-logo.jpg


16 posted on 02/10/2012 5:04:54 AM PST by Vigilantcitizen
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To: MrBambaLaMamba

Those are just the last two letters in the rock group “KISS”

Want to see a Nazi symbol on Fashion Wear look at Columbia Sports wear logo, a double swastika. Big deal.

It is getting to where a fellow can’t go out in a white hood anymore without somebody taking offense.

Chill out political correctness goobers.


17 posted on 02/10/2012 5:05:28 AM PST by urbanpovertylawcenter (where the law and poverty collide in an urban setting and sparks fly)
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To: Fresh Wind

Sadly no. The Corps had an investigation and initiated corrective action.


18 posted on 02/10/2012 5:05:38 AM PST by KantianBurke (Where was the Tea Party when Dubya was spending like a drunken sailor?)
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To: Fresh Wind

Sadly no. The Corps had an investigation and initiated corrective action.


19 posted on 02/10/2012 5:05:50 AM PST by KantianBurke (Where was the Tea Party when Dubya was spending like a drunken sailor?)
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To: KantianBurke

How are a bunch of young guys supposed to know that flag had anything to do with Nazis? People need to get their panties out of a wad about symbols - they mean different things to different people. Grow a spine America.


20 posted on 02/10/2012 5:08:18 AM PST by greatvikingone
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To: greatvikingone

“People need to get their panties out of a wad about symbols”

Considering such a symbol was responsible for the murders of millions of innocent people and the combat deaths of thousands of American GI’s, its use was and is unacceptable.


21 posted on 02/10/2012 5:12:45 AM PST by KantianBurke (Where was the Tea Party when Dubya was spending like a drunken sailor?)
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To: KantianBurke

Given the lack of knowledge about history by today’s youth, I think these guys were indeed clueless.......


22 posted on 02/10/2012 5:13:35 AM PST by Hot Tabasco (The only solution to this primary is a shoot out! Last person standing picks the candidate)
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To: Vigilantcitizen
For comparison:

Most of them, maybe all, simply didn’t know, I guess.

23 posted on 02/10/2012 5:13:45 AM PST by cartan
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To: cartan

I was going to say, it does indeed look like the Siegrune to me.


24 posted on 02/10/2012 5:16:44 AM PST by Ronin (VOTE NEWT! He's Not Romney! Huh? He did?? Scratch that! GO SANTORUM!!!)
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To: Hot Tabasco
I think these guys were indeed clueless

After just seeing that flag, I guess I'm clueless too because I've never seen it before...........

25 posted on 02/10/2012 5:18:15 AM PST by Hot Tabasco (The only solution to this primary is a shoot out! Last person standing picks the candidate)
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To: KantianBurke
Anyone with a modest grade school education or even a passing interest in military history ought to know exactly what that symbol means.


26 posted on 02/10/2012 5:18:38 AM PST by andy58-in-nh (America does not need to be organized: it needs to be liberated.)
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To: Vigilantcitizen; KantianBurke
Looks just like the S’s in the KISS logo. http://rockenestadopuro.files.wordpress.com/2011/04/kiss-logo.jpg

KISS logo: Frehley created the now-iconic logo, making the "SS" look like lightning bolts, when he went to write the new band name over Wicked Lester on a poster outside the club where they were going to play.[20] The runic letters happened to look similar to the insignia of the Nazi SS, a symbol that is now illegal to display in Germany. Therefore, to avoid controversy, since 1979 most of the band's album covers and merchandise in Germany have used a modified version of the logo instead, with the SS represented by two backwards Zs.

Image of the Schutzstaffel (SS):


27 posted on 02/10/2012 5:18:58 AM PST by spetznaz (Nuclear-tipped Ballistic Missiles: The Ultimate Phallic Symbol)
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To: Vigilantcitizen

If only it did!

That KISS font is easy to find - and that would have made a good explanation. But the KISS “S” is much thinner in the horizontal element.


28 posted on 02/10/2012 5:20:59 AM PST by 2ndamendmentpa
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To: urbanpovertylawcenter

The Swastika is NOT an evil symbol. It's been used for centuries on the Indian subcontinent as a sign of good fortune and wealth. Hilter canted the swastika 45 degrees which is a big difference from the usage across southern Asia.

Wikipedia: Swastika

29 posted on 02/10/2012 5:21:11 AM PST by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: KantianBurke

Sorry..these guys messed up. SS Runes have no place in the US military.
But if they had a Hammer and Sickle they would have been made part of Obamas Army.


30 posted on 02/10/2012 5:21:18 AM PST by Yorlik803 (better to die on your feet than live on your knees.)
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To: KantianBurke

Stupid fail.

Double Sig runes will always be looked at as “SS”. Or for at least another generation or so. They knew what it was, and that it would be viewed as “bad a$$”.

Send them to bed without ice cream and put a Sioux warrior on the flag instead.


31 posted on 02/10/2012 5:26:59 AM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: rarestia

Theres a whole bunch or Rudyard Kipling books that have the swastika on the cover - published before the Nazis ruined the poor swastikas reputation.


32 posted on 02/10/2012 5:28:13 AM PST by 2ndamendmentpa
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To: KantianBurke

Is there ANYTHING AT ALL over which some dweeb SOMEWHERE won’t take offense these days?

People these days have their noses so far up everyone ELSE’S butts nowadays that it’s amazing anyone at all can see what the heck they’re doing with their OWN lives.


33 posted on 02/10/2012 5:31:27 AM PST by Jack Hammer
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To: KantianBurke

I am willing to believe that this was an ignorant mistake...Looks like the Corps has handled it correctly...Why use a lame Nazi looking symbol when the Marine Corps has the Eagle,Globe,and Anchor?

Just for fun, Google “45th infantry patch”


34 posted on 02/10/2012 5:31:27 AM PST by VoyagerXII
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To: KantianBurke
The Marines believed the SS symbol was meant to represent sniper scouts

History (among other things)is not being taught in our schools....

35 posted on 02/10/2012 5:31:37 AM PST by Feckless (I was trained by the US << This Tagline Censored by FR >> ain't that irOnic?)
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To: KantianBurke
I just do not get the current crop of GI’s and the ignorance of shooting themselves in the foot with a damn camera.
37 posted on 02/10/2012 5:34:50 AM PST by org.whodat (Sorry bill, I should never have made all those jokes about you and Lewinsky, have fun.)
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To: cartan
I am 57 and consider myself well educated. I know what a swastika looks like, but had to look up the symbol for the SS (Schutzstaffel -had to look the name up as well).
from wiki:


Men that age might associate those 2 letters with Kiss (as mentioned above) than anything else. Not a smart move by any stretch of the imagination. I would tend to take them at their word (SS = Sniper Scouts). I do not think it was meant to glorify the ideals of Nazi Germany. IOW, a crime of stupidity. I strongly agree the symbol has no place in our military.

38 posted on 02/10/2012 5:37:24 AM PST by Protect the Bill of Rights
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To: McGruff

Wrong, http://www.historicalflags.biz/nazi_flags.htm


39 posted on 02/10/2012 5:38:26 AM PST by org.whodat (Sorry bill, I should never have made all those jokes about you and Lewinsky, have fun.)
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To: org.whodat

...time to broaden the scope of “loose lips sink ships”!


40 posted on 02/10/2012 5:38:34 AM PST by 2ndamendmentpa
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To: 2ndamendmentpa

Hitler was obsessed with the occult, and he bastardized other symbols as well. The Swastika just happens to be the most prominent.


41 posted on 02/10/2012 5:40:58 AM PST by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: VoyagerXII
Yep.

On 19 October 1920, the Oklahoma State militia was organized as the 45th Infantry Division of the Oklahoma Army National Guard and organized with troops from Arizona, Colorado, New Mexico, and Oklahoma.

The division was organized and federally recognized on 3 August 1923 in Oklahoma City, Oklahoma. It was assigned the 89th Infantry Brigade of the Colorado and Arizona National Guards, and the 90th Infantry Brigade of the Oklahoma National Guard.

A red diamond with a yellow swastika inside it. Before the 1930s, the division's symbol was a red square with a yellow right-facing swastika, a tribute to the large Native American population in the south-western United States.

The division's original shoulder sleeve insignia featured a right-facing swastika, a common Native American symbol, as a tribute to the south-western United States region which had a large population of Native Americans.

42 posted on 02/10/2012 5:41:01 AM PST by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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“Considering such a symbol was responsible for the murders of millions of innocent people and the combat deaths of thousands of American GI’s, its use was and is unacceptable.”

Ok. So what should be done to them? What would be “acceptable” punishment for this, in your opinion?


43 posted on 02/10/2012 5:42:55 AM PST by RFEngineer
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To: KantianBurke

It could have worse — it could have been the Stars and Bars.

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44 posted on 02/10/2012 5:46:34 AM PST by TomGuy
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To: KantianBurke

We went to war and thousands of US soldiers were killed because of the Nazis. Who knows? Maybe 50 years from now, US soldiers will stand behind an al qaeda flag and not remember what it once stood for. :/


45 posted on 02/10/2012 5:46:54 AM PST by ari-freedom
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To: Protect the Bill of Rights

“I do not think it was meant to glorify the ideals of Nazi Germany”

Of course it wasn’t. But that’s not what is being implied by the criticism. Sorry, if folks want to draw one conclusion “It’s the Waffen SS symbol” to proudly serving snipers, I think these folks should also make clear whether or not they think these US Marines are Nazi sympathizers.

If you don’t think they are Nazi sympathizers, then STFU, and accept whatever (hopefully) minor dressing down they might have received and move on.

NON STORY.


46 posted on 02/10/2012 5:49:02 AM PST by RFEngineer
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To: rarestia
The Swastika is NOT an evil symbol. It's been used for centuries on the Indian subcontinent as a sign of good fortune and wealth. Hilter canted the swastika 45 degrees which is a big difference from the usage across southern Asia.

Similar symbols have been found in the Australian aborigines and some Native American cultures that pre-date Hitler by centuries.
47 posted on 02/10/2012 5:49:26 AM PST by TomGuy
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To: greatvikingone
How are a bunch of young guys supposed to know that flag had anything to do with Nazis?

They have these things nowadays called books, and I heard of this one thing called the interwebs or something. Supposedly these doohickeys are filled up with information of all sorts, some of which is historical in nature.

48 posted on 02/10/2012 5:50:01 AM PST by Hemingway's Ghost (Spirit of '75)
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To: KantianBurke

Man, that was dumb. There’s no defense for this one.


49 posted on 02/10/2012 5:50:43 AM PST by Future Snake Eater (Don't stop. Keep moving!)
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To: KantianBurke
Our schools no longer teach history. I would venture a guess that few, if any of these Marines are over 30 years of age.

It seems entirely feasible to me that most of these young men were unaware of the evil which is associated with the letters ‘SS’ (in this case standing for 'Scout Sniper') when they are depicted using that particular style/font.

I have to say that even though I KNOW what a nazi SS logo looks like, the blue field on the flag actually ‘threw’ me for a few seconds. When the picture came up on the TV screen this morning and the newscaster excitedly reported on the new Marine Corps ‘controversy’, I had to look at the flag at least twice before the thought “oh, yeah, that looks like an SS logo” triggered in my mind and I understood why the reporter seemed to be on the verge of an apoplectic fit.

50 posted on 02/10/2012 5:53:05 AM PST by WayneS (Comments now include 25% more sarcasm for no additional charge)
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