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1 posted on 02/14/2012 12:51:13 PM PST by Kukai
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The author has chosen to ignore that the real question is whether the “natural born citizen” requirements were met.


2 posted on 02/14/2012 12:54:22 PM PST by NEMDF
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If the “natural born citizen” requirement is considered just a technicality, does that mean the U.S. Constitution just a compendium of technicalities?


4 posted on 02/14/2012 12:57:31 PM PST by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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demanding that Obama provide his original birth certificate as definitive proof that he was actually born in the U.S. After inexcusable foot-dragging, the Obama administration last April released a copy of the president’s certificate of live birth from the state of Hawaii.

The 2 are NOT the same.

5 posted on 02/14/2012 12:58:17 PM PST by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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The bitter truth is that Barack Obama’s presidency is a result of, not the cause of, our societal decay.

Blame everyone except the Dem Party Liars. (ie Pelosi et al) The article is saying that societal decay did this. It was Fraud that brought this on. Yes society is decaying, but that did not elect this Quisling.

7 posted on 02/14/2012 1:03:20 PM PST by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2846454/posts

The first “Birther” was a Hillary Clinton activist.

The entire Birther argument requires Judicial Supremacy, in order to win.

Judicial Supremacy is a LIBERAL idea!

10 posted on 02/14/2012 1:28:59 PM PST by Kansas58
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Violating the constitution is a ‘technical problem’?
The dummies still don’t see that this ‘technical problem’ is the cause of an anti-American, anti-constitution, Muslim with dual allegiance attacking USA from within!
This proves the keen insight of our founding fathers when they require ‘natural born citizen’ who has sole allegiance to USA to be our president/VP, to avoid invasion by foreigners (including people with ALLEGIANCE TO OTHER COUNTRIES)!

This is the most basic of the constitutional provision. When such a basic provision is violated, how can we uphold all the other provisions?
All those ills the author refers to come from violating the constitution - gov usurping power from the states and the people, legislating from the bench, taxation without representation, budget not balanced as required by the constitution......

It is true the constitution has been slowly dismantled. Letting a usurper thump his nose at article 2 nbc presidential requirement is the last straw!


11 posted on 02/14/2012 1:38:43 PM PST by chrisnj
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Barack Obama is the poster child for exactly what the founding fathers were trying to prevent with the Natural Born Citizen clause.

He has divided loyalties to this country (if any loyalty at all). He bows to foreign leaders, some are our enemies. He thinks the U.S. is a MUSLIM nation. He has absolute contempt for Christians, who by the way founded this country. This IS a CHRISTIAN nation.

He has loyalties to Fascists, Communists, and Islamists. He fills his administration with them and supports them around the world at the expense of our traditional allies, like the UK & Israel.

I will oppose Marco Rubio and Bobby Jindal as fervently as I have Obama, if they run for president or vice president.

THE CONSTITUTION MATTERS.

13 posted on 02/14/2012 1:54:30 PM PST by faucetman ( Just the facts, ma'am, Just the facts)
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The bitter truth is that Barack Obama’s presidency is a result of, not the cause of, our societal decay.

Can't really contradict that; can only add that it has accelerated the decay.

14 posted on 02/14/2012 2:25:12 PM PST by JimRed (Excising a cancer before it kills us waters the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW AND FOREVER!)
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Those who are serious about correcting America’s problems would be best served to begin by fixing the person we see in the mirror establishing a new country!
17 posted on 02/14/2012 2:52:41 PM PST by varon (Allegiance to the Constitution, always. Allegiance to a party, never!)
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The article’s author brings forth a false premise presuming that the court case in GA would result in removing Obama from office. The case was/is about his eligibility to appear on the 2012 GA election ballot. The states and not the federal government are the final arbiters of who may be included on their ballots. (He could, in theory, be removed from office, but that’s not likely to happen, even if he were found to not be an NBC.)

As for the “where would that leave us” question, I submit that a free-market approach to energy, education and many other areas, as espoused by many here on FR, would go a long way toward eliminating debt and lifting us out of our economic malaise.


20 posted on 02/14/2012 3:52:06 PM PST by RightSight
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This writer seems to be a little confused. He seems to acknowledge that the skepticism over Obama has been vindicated by Obama's behavior and the way the LMSM carries water for him. What he fails on is when he says this:
Suppose that the birthers were proven correct. Barack Obama was removed from the presidency. How would our national situation have changed? We’d still be a nation mired in debt and war. Government would still refuse to recognize constitutional limits on its powers. Our popular culture would remain a moral cesspool. Not one of these problems had their genesis in Obama. Not one of them would go away if he were removed from office on a technicality.

The bitter truth is that Barack Obama’s presidency is a result of, not the cause of, our societal decay. Those who are serious about correcting America’s problems would be best served to begin by fixing the person we see in the mirror.

No one I know of assumes that removing Obama from the presidency will correct all the problems with the government. Presumed futility is not an excuse for inaction. Removing this man from the office upholds the Constitution. It sets an example for others to follow. It puts other politicians on notice. And it's a small step, but it might help hinder the so-called societal decay. There's no point in having our Constitution if all the people simply decide to ignore it.

27 posted on 02/14/2012 7:41:10 PM PST by edge919
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Suppose that the birthers were proven correct. Barack Obama was removed from the presidency. How would our national situation have changed? We’d still be a nation mired in debt and war. Government would still refuse to recognize constitutional limits on its powers. Our popular culture would remain a moral cesspool. Not one of these problems had their genesis in Obama. Not one of them would go away if he were removed from office on a technicality.

Removing him would require a two-thirds vote in the Senate (ignorant, drooling birfers somehow think it's a judicial magic bullet or something).

If we had (an unattainable) two thirds of the Senate (and an attained majority of the House), our problems would be largely over. Repeal all the crap, downsize the government, and start over.

But we don't. So, there's no sense in pursuing the birther cause, because it's insane. We need to put all our efforts toward the 2012 election.

Technicalities are a diversion!

30 posted on 02/14/2012 11:45:29 PM PST by cynwoody
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Re: “America cannot be saved on a technicality . . .”

Since when has the U. S. Constitution been considered a “technicality.”

The writer is a ditz!


31 posted on 02/15/2012 5:23:16 AM PST by Beckwith (A "natural born citizen" -- two American citizen parents and born in the USA.)
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America can be saved on a technicality. If Obama is the usurper many believe he is, him, his appointments, his laws and his policies stop dead in their tracks. All the corruptocrats who failed to honor their oath of office - gone. The housecleaning would be swift and enormous and would go a long way in correcting our course.
34 posted on 02/15/2012 5:40:06 AM PST by liberalh8ter (Obama - The United Nation's first U.S. Presidential Candidate)
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In response to the author, I would say:

I can respect the considered legal opinion that Obama meets the eligibility requirements - I didn't say i agreed, but if a person has come to that conclusion that's one thing.

And if it is far easier to get Obama out of office by discussing his record than educating the public on the Constitution, then I can understand that argument as well. Again, I can understand, if not necessarily agree on the merits.

But to call the qualifications for the highest office in the land a technicality goes way too far. If this is a technicality, what would not be? How about a 25 year old president? Why not a foreigner? Times have changed since 1787, and it's a slippery slope.

Obama’s status is one of many issues. We need to start educating the people about the Constitution, and fast. I doubt even half of the amendments in the Bill of Rights would pass if a referendum were held on them today. We had a sitting governor (in North Carolina) actually bring up the subject of canceling the elections! And when was the last time you heard anyone express the sentiment that “I may disagree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it”?

The article seems to say to me that, to paraphrase a Vietnam soldier, “we need to destroy the Constitution in order to save it.” Shameful.

40 posted on 02/16/2012 9:52:35 AM PST by cvq3842
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