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Axelrod: Santorum's stance on social issues 'are quite divisive'
The HIll ^ | 2/15/12 | Daniel Strauss

Posted on 02/15/2012 8:04:05 AM PST by Nachum

Top Obama political strategist David Axelrod took aim at surging GOP hopeful Rick Santorum Wednesday, painting him as a fringe candidate unlikely to appeal to voters after closer inspection. Speaking on CBS This Morning on Wednesday, Axelrod said the former Pennsylvania senator's economic policies were unlikely to win over voters. "I think when people really examine his economic policies, I don't think the average working person in this economy is going to look at his economic policies and say 'yeah, that's the ticket for me. That offers great hope for me.'" Axelrod said.

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TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: axelrod; divisive; santorums
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To: Nachum

This BS coming from a man who speaks for the most destructive and divisive fake president ever, Barack Hussein Obama.

21 posted on 02/15/2012 8:17:56 AM PST by dforest
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To: Nachum
Top Obama political strategist David Axelrod took aim at surging GOP hopeful Rick Santorum Wednesday, painting him as a fringe candidate unlikely to appeal to voters after closer inspection.

Patriotic combat veteran Old Sarge took aim at top Obama political strategist David Axelrod Wednesday, correctly identifying him as a Marxist/Leninist propaganda peddler after closer inspection.

22 posted on 02/15/2012 8:19:12 AM PST by Old Sarge (RIP FReeper Skyraider (1930-2011) - You Are Missed)
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To: Track9

The live born baby is a punishment, according to Obama.

That live born baby punishes girls and women who have done things which caused them to get pregnant without a husband.

The live born baby should NOT punish Obama’s daughters, to paraphrase what he has said. He wouldn’t want his daughters punished like that if they make mistakes in life.

And on the issue at hand, the liberal mind does NOT think that the killing of a baby is controversial. To liberals, their views are mainstream and conventional. Whereas, it’s conservatives who are “out of the mainstream”.

23 posted on 02/15/2012 8:19:55 AM PST by Dilbert San Diego
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To: G Larry

Hey Axe!

What is it about Obama’s Pro-Abortion stance that is NOT “divisive”?

Abortion up to 9 months in the womb is ok for the left. Conservatives running need to start reminding people that fact. Some people do not even know it can be done up to 9 months. If they want to call us extreme for rejecting abortion, we need to show how heartless, cruel, and extreme they are. I would mention this fact EVERY TIME they say we are extreme or too far right.

Key Facts on Partial-Birth Abortion      
February 14, 2003

For further information, contact the Federal Legislation Department at the National Right to Life Committee (NRLC) at or 202-626-8820, and visit the Partial-Birth Abortion section of the National Right to Life website at, especially

•  The Partial-Birth Abortion Ban Act (H.R. 760, S. 3) would ban performance of a partial-birth abortion except if it were necessary to the save a mother’s life.  The bill defines partial-birth abortion as an abortion in which “the person performing the abortion deliberately and intentionally vaginally delivers a living fetus until, in the case of a head-first presentation, the entire fetal head is outside the body of the mother, or, in the case of breech presentation, any part of the fetal trunk past the navel is outside the body of the mother,” and then kills the baby.  The bill would permit use of the procedure if “necessary to save the life of a mother whose life is endangered by a physical disorder, physical illness, or physical injury, including a life-endangering physical condition caused by or arising from the pregnancy itself.”

•  In a partial-birth abortion, the abortionist pulls a living baby feet-first out of the womb and into the birth canal (vagina), except for the head, which the abortionist purposely keeps lodged just inside the cervix (the opening to the womb).  The abortionist punctures the base of the baby’s skull with a surgical instrument, such as a long surgical scissors or a pointed hollow metal tube called a trochar.  He then inserts a catheter (tube) into the wound, and removes the baby’s brain with a powerful suction machine.  This causes the skull to collapse, after which the abortionist completes the delivery of the now-dead baby.   (See 

• The January 2003 Gallup poll found that 70% favored and 25% opposed “a law that would make it illegal to perform a specific abortion procedure conducted in the last six months of pregnancy known as ‘partial birth abortion,’ except in cases necessary to save the life of the mother.” (margin of error +/- 3%)

•  The term “partial-birth” is perfectly accurate.  Under both federal law and most state laws, a “live birth” occurs when a baby is entirely expelled from the mother and shows any signs of life, however briefly — regardless of whether the baby is “viable,” i.e., developed enough to be sustained outside the womb with neo-natal medical assistance.  Even at 4½ months (20 weeks), perinatologists say that if a baby is expelled or removed completely from the uterus, she will usually gasp for breath and sometimes survive for hours, even though lung development is usually insufficient to permit successful sustained respiration until 23 weeks. 

•  Some prominent defenders of partial-birth abortions, such as NARAL’s Kate Michelman and syndicated columnist Ellen Goodman, insisted that anesthesia kills the babies before they are removed from the womb.   This myth has been refuted by professional societies of anesthesiologists.  In reality, the babies are alive and experience great pain when subjected to a partial-birth abortion.   [Documentation on request.]

•  Partial-birth abortions are performed thousands of times annually on healthy babies of healthy mothers.  In 1997, Ron Fitzsimmons, executive director of the National Coalition of Abortion Providers (1997), estimated that the method was used 3,000 to 5,000 times annually.  “In the vast majority of cases, the procedure is performed on a healthy mother with a healthy fetus that is 20 weeks or more along, Fitzsimmons said.”  (The New York Times, Feb. 26, 1997, p. A11.)  (See clippings at, in the late 1996 and early 1997 archive.)  In January 2003, even the Alan Guttmacher Institute – an affiliate of Planned Parenthood – published a survey of abortion providers that estimated that 2,200 abortions were performed by the method in the year 2000.  While that figure is surely low (see, it is more than triple the number that AGI estimated in its most recent previous survey (for 1996).

•  In January 1997, the PBS program Media Matters showed that in 1995-96, the news media largely swallowed a pro-abortion “party line” that partial-birth abortions are performed rarely and only in extreme medical circumstances — claims later discredited.  (See

•  “Phony ban” counterproposals advanced by Reps. Steny Hoyer (D-Md.) and Jim Greenwood (R-Pa.) would place no limits on partial-birth abortions in the fifth and sixth months of pregnancy, when the vast majority of partial-birth abortions occur.  Furthermore, these “phony bans” would allow an abortion even in the seventh month and later if an abortionist asserts that a baby is not “viable” or that an abortion is required to preserve “health.”  Reps. Hoyer and Greenwood admitted that their proposal would allow third-trimester abortions even for (in their words) “mental health” reasons.  ( 

•  Another “phony ban” substitute amendment proposed in the past by Senator Tom Daschle (D-SD) and Richard Durbin (D-Il.) would not affect the typical partial-birth abortions performed in the late second trimester.  Even in the seventh month and later, the substitute would permit abortions based on any degree of “risk” of “grievous injury to her physical health.”  Dr. Warren Hern, a leading practitioner of very late abortions who wrote the textbook Abortion Practice, commented on the Daschle amendment, “I say every pregnancy carries a risk of death,” and therefore, “I will certify that any pregnancy is a threat to a woman’s life and could cause ‘grievous injury’ to her ‘physical health.’” (in USA Today and Washington Times, both May 15, 1997)  In other words, under the Daschle-Durbin amendment, any pregnant woman would qualify for an abortion even in the seventh month and later.

•  Although usually used in the fifth and sixth months, the partial-birth abortion method is also used to perform abortions in the third trimester — that is, the seventh month and later. In Kansas, the only state in which the law requires separate reporting of partial-birth abortions, abortionists reported in 1999 they had performed 182 partial-birth abortions on babies who were defined by the abortionists themselves as “viable,” and they also reported that all 182 of these were performed for “mental” (as opposed to “physical”) health reasons.  See page 11 of this state report:

•  In a written submission to the House Judiciary Committee in June, 1995, the late Dr. James McMahon – who is considered to be the developer of the method – explicitly acknowledged that he performed such abortions on babies with no “flaw” whatever, even in the third trimester, for such reasons as mere youth of the mother or for “psychiatric” difficulties.  Indeed, even at 29 weeks — well into the seventh month — one-fourth of the babies that McMahon aborted had no “flaw,” however minor.  Moreover, McMahon’s submission showed that in a “series” of about 2,000 such abortions that he performed, only 9% were performed for “maternal [health] indications,” and of that group, the most common reason was “depression.”

• The Physicians’ Ad Hoc Coalition for Truth (PHACT) — a group of over 600 physician-specialists (mostly in obstetrics, perinatology, and related disciplines) — has spoken out to dispute claims that some women need partial-birth abortions to avoid serious physical injury.   PHACT said:  “We, and many other doctors across the United States, regularly treat women whose unborn children suffer these and other serious conditions.  Never is the partial-birth procedure medically indicated.  Rather, such infants are regularly and safely delivered live, vaginally, with no threat to the mother’s health or fertility.”  In September, 1996, former Surgeon General C. Everett Koop and other PHACT members said that “partial-birth abortion is never medically necessary to protect a mother’s health or her future fertility.  On the contrary, this procedure can pose a significant threat to both.”

•  In May, 1997, the Partial-Birth Abortion Ban Act (then H.R. 1122) was endorsed by the American Medical Association.  In a letter to Senator Rick Santorum (R-Pa.), AMA Executive Vice President P. John Seward, M.D., wrote, “Thank you for the opportunity to work with you towards restricting a procedure we all agree is not good medicine.”

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24 posted on 02/15/2012 8:20:14 AM PST by Linda Frances (Only God can change a heart, but we can pray for hearts to be changed.)
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To: Nachum

Another pearl of wisdom from Axelnimrod.

25 posted on 02/15/2012 8:21:23 AM PST by Enterprise ("Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." Voltaire)
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To: Nachum

Axelrod: Santorum’s stance on social issues ‘are quite divisive’

Normal versus Perverse “divisive”? Brilliant analysis.

26 posted on 02/15/2012 8:24:27 AM PST by Common Sense 101 (Hey libs... If your theories fly in the face of reality, it's not reality that's wrong.)
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To: G Larry

Here we go!

If Santorum can KEEP the conversation on economics, he has a fighting chance. He will have to unveil, in detail, an economic plan which will appeal to all sectors of the GOP and the independents...and then he will have to pitch it with blue collar appeal to Reagan D’s, sort of a subgroup of indys. Fortunately, THAT is one thing that Santorum has historically done well.

But if this becomes an election about contraception, and obviously obama will try that, it is going to be difficult for Santorum.

The other interesting thing is that if Santorum can hold the 60% of Catholics that are ticked at obama, and if he can win PA - and both of those would seem to be sort of natural for him - but if he can do that, he “might” have a fighting chance against obama in the general. Just maybe...but it will be brutal.

(if, of course, Santorum is the nominee...).

27 posted on 02/15/2012 8:24:32 AM PST by ConservativeDude
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To: Nachum

There are 3 people that whenever I see them on TV, I change the channel. They are Axelrod, Debbie Wasserman-Schultz and Obama.

28 posted on 02/15/2012 8:25:26 AM PST by Old Retired Army Guy
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To: crusader71

One of, The Roman Catholic Church is the LARGEST denomination in the Country. There are 68,503,456 registered Catholics in the United States (22% of the US population) according to the American Bishops’ count in their Official Catholic Directory 2010.

The Roman Catholic Church is also the largest Religious institution in the World. Total church membership (both lay and clerical) in 2007 was 1.147 billion people. It is estimated to be larger than 1.2 Billion today.

This isn’t the kind of institution that you wanrt to pick a public fight with.

29 posted on 02/15/2012 8:26:12 AM PST by Jim from C-Town (The government is rarely benevolent, often malevolent and never benign!)
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To: Nachum
The "divide" that Santorum is pointing out is a simple one, and a necessary one.

It is the difference between right and wrong, good and bad, healthy and unhealthy, success and failutre.

The fact is that the great social restructuring the democratic party has foisted for decades on these United States, costing tens of trillions of dollars, is money thrown down a rat hole.

It has done more to divide America, to entrap people in unhealthy social life styles, unhealthy economic conditions, and in failed policies than anything else in this nation's history.

Rick Santorum is simply pointing this out and naming names and they types of life-styles, economics, etc. that produce such misery.

Rick Santorum is pointing towards the traditional, underlying, moral foundation of the nation that has enspired and produced the most prosperous, giving, cahritable, and successful nation on earth and the path back to it.

He is pointing America towards the path of hope.

Of course Axelrod and Obama and all of their ilk are against it. They are totally invested in the policies of failure because it makes the sad creatures trapped in them beholden to, and dependent on them. It is their entire power base.

If that is devisive, so be it. We must go through that divide to get to the properity, success, and hope that lies beyond pull proplr out of the embrace of death the left has clutched them in.

God grant that we can succeeed and pull our nation away from the embrace of these marxists and enemies.

30 posted on 02/15/2012 8:29:03 AM PST by Jeff Head (Liberty is not free. Never has been, never will be. (
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To: ConservativeDude

“60% of Catholics that are ticked at obama”

I saw a poll citing 75%.

IF they all vote against Obama, he’s toast.

31 posted on 02/15/2012 8:29:03 AM PST by G Larry (We are NOT obliged to carry the snake in our pocket and then dismiss the bites as natural behavior.)
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To: All

Remind everyone: Barak Obama voted AGAINST a bill that would require giving care to BABIES THAT SURVIVED ABORTIONS AND WERE VIABLE OUTSIDE THE WOMB when he was a state senator.
To me, that makes him no better than a Nazi...

32 posted on 02/15/2012 8:30:32 AM PST by Maverick68
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To: Jim from C-Town

WSJ reported the figure at 77.7 million Catholics in the US.

33 posted on 02/15/2012 8:31:52 AM PST by Eric in the Ozarks (Beware the Sweater Vest)
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To: Enterprise

Axelrod has it wrong but don’t tell him....

34 posted on 02/15/2012 8:32:30 AM PST by codder too
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To: Nachum

Santorum is not electable, but it’s not because of this.

Obama would blow him away by at least 10-12 points and we’d lose Congress.

Rick is a terribly flawed candidate. We need someone else.

35 posted on 02/15/2012 8:34:03 AM PST by LowTaxesEqualsProsperity
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To: Jim from C-Town

“This isn’t the kind of institution that you want to pick a public fight with.”

Actually I think Obama does want this fight. A cold calculation on his part. For one he sees the church as totally weakened by the scandals. Secondly, it’s a way he can divide people. The way he wins in 2012 is by sowing chaos and confusion. He’s making this election about the false argument of “access” to contraception, betting that the largely ignorant public will fall for that nonsense.

Secondly, this serves his larger purpose of accelerating a complete federal takeover of healthcare if he wins a second term. He knows that a huge percentage of US hospitals are catholic; and he knows many bishops would close their hospitals rather than comply with this unjust law, or be put out of business due to the severe fines. THUS....his next “crisis” moment is created, allowing the federal government to take over these properties in the name of public safety and health.

36 posted on 02/15/2012 8:35:45 AM PST by crusader71
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To: Nachum

There is often a divide between right and wrong.

37 posted on 02/15/2012 8:36:44 AM PST by tnlibertarian (Selfishly stealing other people's witticisms for taglines since 2002.)
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To: G Larry

IF they all vote against Obama, he’s toast.”

And, alas, that is a big if seeing as the majority of Catholics (and the majority of voters) supported him in 2008.

Hopefully times have changed...but obama is riding pretty high in the polls now, and I am not confident.

38 posted on 02/15/2012 8:47:27 AM PST by ConservativeDude
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To: Nachum


My dear A$$elrod, your Puppet Bastard who loves to spend other peoples money has lost.

He is going to run on Government Run Religion, Government Run Healthcare, and Government Run Economy.

Your Puppet Bastard has run up such a large deficit (your Democrat Senate has not passed a budget in over 1,000 days) that the United States of America has be down graded.

You must be so proud.

You and Your Puppet Bastard are jokes.

39 posted on 02/15/2012 8:47:43 AM PST by Chgogal (WSJ, Kristol, Krauthammer, Rove et al., STFU. Thank you.)
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To: Nachum

FU Axelnuts!...

40 posted on 02/15/2012 8:48:37 AM PST by AngelesCrestHighway
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