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The Heller decision and CCW laws have combined for increased efforts to restore constitutional rights.
1 posted on 02/17/2012 5:59:13 AM PST by marktwain
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"House Bill 981 would prevent police or the National Guard from disarming people during states of emergency, and it would allow citizens to sue if that occurred."

That will do plenty in assuring FREEDOM FROM TYRRANY!

2 posted on 02/17/2012 6:12:13 AM PST by Savage Beast (So-called "journalists" of the MSM "IMPROVE" on Truth. This is HUBRIS! DENIAL! The stuff of TRAGEDY!)
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"any church or business, such as a restaurant or bar, would be able to decide whether to allow concealed weapons"

LIBERTY!

FREEDOM OF CHOICE!

3 posted on 02/17/2012 6:14:32 AM PST by Savage Beast (So-called "journalists" of the MSM "IMPROVE" on Truth. This is HUBRIS! DENIAL! The stuff of TRAGEDY!)
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I had understood there was a bill to eliminate CCW Permits and allow constitutional carry as well.


4 posted on 02/17/2012 6:18:12 AM PST by bk1000 (A clear conscience is a sure sign of a poor memory)
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From the article:

Rep. Roger Bruce, D-Atlanta, introduced a bill this session that would require four hours of training for anyone who gets a permit to carry a concealed weapon. The bill, which he described as "common sense," has yet to have a hearing in a committee.

Ah yes, the hackneyed "common sense" meaning anything from from what this moron proposes to complete bans. As in England's "common sense" gun regulations.

Bruce said ... "I keep trying to figure out what they are preparing for?" he said. "Is there some war they have to be ready for? Is there something pending that the rest of us need to know about?"

I guess this moron/democrat never heard of Columbine of Va Tech.

The sad and frightening thing is: HE REPRESENTS THE VIEWPOINS OF THE MAJORITY OF THE VOTERS IN HIS DISTRICT. We don't have just one enemy. We have thousands in his district alone.

Georgia Tech and other colleges say campus security already works to keep students safe.

And fine job they're doing of it too. < - sarcasm in case it wasn't obvious > For a while there were at least one student robbed a week on or in the immediate vicinity of the GA Tech campus. The robberies tapered off when the wether got colder.

The Urinal/Constipation is at least as anti-second amendment was the Wash Compost. And this slanted article is just another shot at presenting their baised view.

5 posted on 02/17/2012 6:24:19 AM PST by from occupied ga (Your government is your most dangerous enemy)
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Rep. Roger Bruce, D-Atlanta

"I keep trying to figure out what they are preparing for?" he said. "Is there some war they have to be ready for? Is there something pending that the rest of us need to know about?"

No, Roger the people just do not trust the government.

6 posted on 02/17/2012 6:26:42 AM PST by Ratman83
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"Critics say it goes too far and could endanger the public."

The American public has never been in greater danger than it is right now--but from the Decadence that is destroying the United States with cultural and moral rot within--not from an armed populace capable of defending itself when government can not or will not and, in many cases, seeks to restrain people from defending themselves!

Never greater danger! Not during the Civil War! Not during the Great Depression! Not during World War II! Americans have never been in greater danger!

The danger today comes from Decadence, internal moral and cultural rot, a press that utterly fails in its duty to inform truthfully the public (note tagline), and a fifth column in powerful positions which seeks to destroy and/or severly weaken the United States.

Never before have Americans been in such danger!

And if government will not protect the people--or if government poses a danger to the people--it is the right of the people--and it is the DUTY of the people--to protect themselves and their families!

7 posted on 02/17/2012 6:27:50 AM PST by Savage Beast (So-called "journalists" of the MSM "IMPROVE" on Truth. This is HUBRIS! DENIAL! The stuff of TRAGEDY!)
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I know they will never get it but I'll try anyway:

Bruce said he does not understand why gun rights supporters have filed so many bills in recent legislative sessions...

It's to get rid of all the detailed nuisance gun laws.
Simplify so good people don't have to get caught in laws that have no effect on criminals anyway.
You either have the right to carry or you don't.
It makes no sense that I'm trusted HERE but not THERE.
And there is of course that second amendment thing, that he refuses to get.

8 posted on 02/17/2012 6:31:56 AM PST by BitWielder1 (Corporate Profits are better than Government Waste)
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Heller was actually a loss on several issues.

But, regulating private property owners, ie bar and restaurants are an issue...however, allowing use on 'public' buildings is common sense and right.

9 posted on 02/17/2012 6:34:03 AM PST by Theoria (Rush Limbaugh: Ron Paul sounds like an Islamic terrorist)
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"...a bill...that would require four hours of training for anyone who gets a permit to carry a concealed weapon"

This is stupid.

More stupidity.

More stupid ritual that has no meaning.

California is full of such laws. And Californians spend a great deal of thier time figuring out ways around these laws. Leftists love to pass laws that have no meaning--clutter up the law with regulations that have no common sense value. Then they feel that they have done something whereas they have not. One reason Leftists love such laws is that it enables them to enforce them selectively.

What is anyone going to learn in 4 hours? Those who want to know how to work the damn thing will find out. Those who don't will go throught the motions and learn nothing.

10 posted on 02/17/2012 6:37:33 AM PST by Savage Beast (So-called "journalists" of the MSM "IMPROVE" on Truth. This is HUBRIS! DENIAL! The stuff of TRAGEDY!)
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Critics say it goes too far and could endanger the public.

Is this sentence a mandatory inclusion? Is it in the AP style book or something?

It is cowardice twice over: the authors slip in their personal views without claiming same and shift the sentiment to others - and don't worry, there are always others (i.e. the 'critics').

It's similar to stories about alcohol in which the authors run dutifully over to MADD or Alcoholics Anonymous for a tut-tut quote.

11 posted on 02/17/2012 6:40:00 AM PST by relictele (We are officially OUT of other people's money!)
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"I keep trying to figure out what they are preparing for?" he said. "Is there some war they have to be ready for? Is there something pending that the rest of us need to know about?"

Has he been brain dead for the last 3 years?
Things are getting worse, gov't is getting more and more intrusive, actively destroying our industries, cozying up to our enemies and shunning our allies.
The OWS bums and illegals are cheered by the current administration while the rest of us are branded terrorists and seeing our rights eroded.
More and more people find this alarming enough to go out and prepare for ... something.
Don't know what, but with the direction our country is heading, it's nothing good.
Better to have food, water and guns and not need them than the other way around.

12 posted on 02/17/2012 6:41:40 AM PST by BitWielder1 (Corporate Profits are better than Government Waste)
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House Bill 981 would prevent police or the National Guard from disarming people during states of emergency, and it would allow citizens to sue if that occurred

Hussein's thugs won't like that.

If things got that bad, I doubt there'd be anyone to sue.

13 posted on 02/17/2012 7:00:49 AM PST by bgill (Romney & Obama are both ineligible. A non-NBC GOP prez shuts down all ?s on Obama's admin)
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“For instance, any church or business, such as a restaurant or bar, would be able to decide whether to allow concealed weapons, he said, and regulations that limit the right to carry, such as when consuming alcohol, are still in place. “

The problem this presents is that the average person, going about their daily life and errands, finds that when a few places of business they frequent ban concealed carry, then the hassle factor makes carrying too much of a pain.

I would counter that concealed carry makes it just as much of a private matter as carrying HIV. We would not think of allowing a business the right to post a sign that forbids anyone carrying HIV from coming on to the premises. Nor would we allow a business to ban people who are wearing a certain style of underwear. Since it should be unlawful to allow a lawfully concealed weapon to be visible except in an exigent circumstance, whether or not a person is carrying is a totally private matter.

In Missouri, the law allows posting of a premises via legally defined signage (another important issue!), but the penalty for violating the sign is to make the permit holder liable for trespass, which in fact everyone is anyway.

see: 571.107 (2):
http://www.moga.mo.gov/statutes/c500-599/5710000107.htm

“Carrying of a concealed firearm in a location specified in subdivisions (1) to (17) of subsection 1 of this section by any individual who holds a concealed carry endorsement issued pursuant to sections 571.101 to 571.121 shall not be a criminal act but may subject the person to denial to the premises or removal from the premises. If such person refuses to leave the premises and a peace officer is summoned, such person may be issued a citation for an amount not to exceed one hundred dollars for the first offense.”


15 posted on 02/17/2012 7:15:23 AM PST by theBuckwheat
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