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To: EternalVigilance
You are straining at gnats to perceive a spec in your brothers' eyes that IS NOT THERE! You are doing mental gymnastics just justify IDIOCY and accusing others of being deluded.

If what you say is true:

"Even the pro-abort lawyers arguing in Roe admitted that their case would fall apart if the “fetus” or child is a person. So did the pro-abort majority, in the written opinion."

and the legislation, as you say "defines babes in the womb as persons" then by your own assertion, Roe's case should fall apart.

But you would argue that I'm missing your point, specifically that the law codifies the definition of a person, then allows those in that definition to be killed... YOUR ENTIRE POSITION "turns on that".

BUT YOU HAVE YET TO DEMONSTRATE the very foundation of your assertion, namely that the legislation defines ANYTHING, much less that it "allows" killing of the "persons" that it's defined.

Can you show me where in this legislation (1) ANYTHING is defined, and where or how it (2) "Allows the killing" of those defined as Persons?

Further, can you explain to me how YOUR ENTIRE POSITION on this matter does not "turn on" those two objectively verifiable issues, and why you should not be expected to offer SOMETHING in terms of documentation to back up those two, so far, absolutely baseless assertions?

Also, I would really love to hear your explanation of how a law that makes some abortions illegal, doesn't prevent any abortions.

57 posted on 02/26/2012 8:20:11 AM PST by OHelix
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To: OHelix

You’re still making Utilitarian arguments, not moral or constitutional arguments. And I’ve already said, even if you somehow manage to save a few via these lawless laws, such laws remain grossly immoral and completely unconstitutional.

If you make an abortion “illegal” at twenty weeks, but codify permission for the child to be killed before that, the child can still be killed at nineteen weeks and 6 days. Every child remains vulnerable, not protected. All they have to do to butcher them is to get to the baby-killer on time.

But our Constitution demands that every person be equally protected, based on the absolute fact that they are a human person, not on the calendar, not on geographical location.

That’s for starters.

Add in the fact that these legislators are a bunch of judicial supremacists, as evidenced by the way this particular legislation is written, among many other evidences, and you have assured that that all will continue to be killed anyhow. You’ve sacrificed, as I’ve said to you multiple times, the only real moral, constitutional and legal arguments against abortion. Therefore, you’ve surrendered the battle before it has even been joined.

The Planned Parenthood ghouls laugh at the people pushing this stuff.

They don’t laugh at the assertion of the personhood of the child and their resulting explicit, imperative protection by the Constitution.

For very good reasons.


62 posted on 02/26/2012 12:35:52 PM PST by EternalVigilance (They have abdicated government here, by declaring us out of their protection...)
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