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60 civilians killed as Syrian forces pound Homs
PakTribune ^
| Feb. 22, 2012
Posted on 02/22/2012 6:28:04 AM PST by nuconvert
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posted on
02/22/2012 6:28:12 AM PST
by
nuconvert
To: nuconvert
Seems to be a near total absence of counter battery fire on the part of the resistance. A shortage (or non use) of RPGs. Without such, the “revolution” is over.
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posted on
02/22/2012 6:32:49 AM PST
by
donozark
(It's hard to afford a psychiatrist when you work at a gas station.)
To: nuconvert
Syrian government forces killed more than 60 people on Tuesday in assaults on villages and an artillery barrage in the restive city of Homs
Considering how often we hear about artillery being used at Homs I'm surprised it doesn't look like Passchendaele. Seriously if you shell a town for a couple of weeks and there are still buildings standing you aren't doing it right. And crater fields aren't restive.
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posted on
02/22/2012 6:34:16 AM PST
by
GonzoGOP
(There are millions of paranoid people in the world and they are all out to get me.)
To: donozark
The Russians & Iranians are arming Assad. So, unless the resistance gets help, (& it doesn’t look like they will) it’s going to be over soon.
The White House is stalling, hoping it’s over soon so they don’t have to get involved.
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posted on
02/22/2012 6:37:55 AM PST
by
nuconvert
( Khomeini promised change too // Hail, Chairman O)
To: GonzoGOP
You call it a town, but it’s the 3rd largest city in Syria, with a population of about 1 million people.
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posted on
02/22/2012 6:40:44 AM PST
by
nuconvert
( Khomeini promised change too // Hail, Chairman O)
To: nuconvert
You call it a town, but its the 3rd largest city in Syria, with a population of about 1 million people.
And you make my point. Do you seriously think you can drop a full scale artillery barrage, for a couple of weeks, on a city of a million people and kill 60? Have you ever seen what a hail of 155mm shells do to closely packed buildings? Go look at pictures of Stalingrad or Manila in World War II, that is what a city subjected to concentrated artillery looks like.
There is no barrage, they are lobbing in a few shells, perhaps some mortars. But the press is just trying to paint their Muslim Brotherhood allies as victims. If this were an all out bombardment there would be a lot more than 60 dead per day.
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02/22/2012 6:55:20 AM PST
by
GonzoGOP
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posted on
02/22/2012 7:01:52 AM PST
by
deoetdoctrinae
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To: GonzoGOP
Your comparisons are ridiculous.
There haven’t been any aerial attacks and no one has reported that there have been (with the exception of some helicopter gun ships shooting at people).
btw - the 60 killed were in one day, not weeks.
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posted on
02/22/2012 7:22:02 AM PST
by
nuconvert
( Khomeini promised change too // Hail, Chairman O)
To: nuconvert
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posted on
02/22/2012 7:48:19 AM PST
by
org.whodat
(Sorry bill, I should never have made all those jokes about you and Lewinsky, have fun.)
To: nuconvert
Your comparisons are ridiculous.
And your reading skill are poor.
Note I only mentioned artillery. Manila, the picture shown, had almost no air attacks, nor was most of the damage at Stalingrad done by air. The first example I gave was Passchendaele, and there wasn't much air bombardment back in 1917. I picked my examples carefully in order to demonstrate the power of artillery. Air was never mentioned.
And I always stipulated 60 per day. READ THE POST.
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posted on
02/22/2012 8:13:31 AM PST
by
GonzoGOP
(There are millions of paranoid people in the world and they are all out to get me.)
To: donozark
They badly need anti-tank weaponry. If they could start taking the tanks out, this thing could turn. Until then, it’s an uphill fight.
To: nuconvert
The White House won’t step in this time because those fighting are actually REAL “Freedom fighters” and NOT a planned overthrow by the Muslim Brotherhood. THAT’s why Obama will not even say one word about this. His blind-eye is already turned on these people as they actually believed the propaganda of the “Arab Spring” narrative, naively believing Obama’s administration would actually HELP them rid themselves of Assad and his government.
I believe this “revolution” is already over - much like all of the attempted resistance movements among the Iranian people over the last few years. Like you and others have pointed out, the Syrian Gov’t is being armed by Russia and Iran - both obviously have a vested interest in Assad’s admin. remaining in power. These people are unfortunately “on their own” with the exception of God Himself. The only thing the rest of us can do now is pray for the innocent and good among them, frankly. I honestly can’t imagine what it would be like knowing your own government is the one shelling your city...
To: nuconvert
Pretty soon they will be as dangerous as Chicago or Detroit in murders...
To: nuconvert
Not to support Assad but isn’t this the city where the uprising is based? Did they somehow think Assad wouldn’t shell them ? They knew what they’d be facing when they began this...and I suspect anticipated a similar result of the UN sending in forces to assist them. But it so far hasn’t played out that way....Syria has always been Irans arm and the people there know that. I am saddened for the loss of life but I cannot see those who began this uprising as taking into consideration the cost even though they knew how Assad plays these uprising out. So they hold as much responsibility as Assad for these deaths. IMO
As many have mentioned Syria is not Libya.....the differences are huge and results if UN gets into the fray are hurrendous. Especially with Russia and China boosting Assads military. This no doubt could lead to a third world war if this cannot be settled diplomatically.
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posted on
02/22/2012 10:03:53 AM PST
by
caww
To: GonzoGOP
You’re right. I combined the weeks in your 1st post with days in the 2nd.
And your point is what? That thousands haven’t been killed in Syria and things aren’t so bad?
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posted on
02/22/2012 10:06:23 AM PST
by
nuconvert
( Khomeini promised change too // Hail, Chairman O)
To: LibertyRocks
Liberty...I cannot understand the foolishness of the Syrian people to have gambled by uprising as they have.....they knew how Assad has taken down any sort of rebellion before...but you're right they foolishly believed the world would come to their defense...having no clue the International Giants would defend Assad. Just stupid people who haven't a clue how Government leaders operate.
Nations are simply pawns on the game table of the powers that be....while they fight those leaders barter for how each shall gain by who they defend. It's more than sad that people are dispensible but it is unfortunately the price when "freedom" is as is said...never "free".
This is not going to play out well by any stretch of the imagination.
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posted on
02/22/2012 10:12:09 AM PST
by
caww
To: nuconvert
And your point is what?
That this isn't our fight. The press is making it sound worse than it is in an attempt to draw us into the war on the side of the Muslim Brotherhood, just as they did in Libya. I'm just trying to counter the propaganda.
That thousands havent been killed in Syria and things arent so bad?
This is a red on red fight. Both sides are our enemies. Assad has launched terrorist attacks on the US. The Muslim Brotherhood has been consistent in promoting the destruction of the US. When thousands of my enemies are killed by each other, no it isn't that bad.
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posted on
02/22/2012 10:29:01 AM PST
by
GonzoGOP
(There are millions of paranoid people in the world and they are all out to get me.)
To: GonzoGOP
“The press is making it sound worse than it is ...”
How do you know? Are you following all the internet & youtube posts of what’s happening there?
And how do you know what percentage of the people fighting Assad are Muslim Brotherhood? No one else knows. How do you know that the majority of people being killed aren’t ordinary people with women & childen, trying to survive?
Is it okay with you that Assad targets journalists?
Is anyone who is muslim your enemy?
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posted on
02/22/2012 10:44:50 AM PST
by
nuconvert
( Khomeini promised change too // Hail, Chairman O)
To: nuconvert
How do you know? Are you following all the internet & youtube posts of whats happening there?
I know because as I pointed out in the first post the report does not match the observed results. If the press says that a city has been under constant and intense artillery barrage for a couple of weeks and the city doesn't look like Manila in 1945 I know they are putting out propaganda. There may be sporadic shelling, but not a proper barrage.
And how do you know what percentage of the people fighting Assad are Muslim Brotherhood?
Turns out it doesn't matter. The majority in Tunisia weren't MB, but the Islamists now exercise power there way in excess of their numbers. The majority of people in Egypt didn't claim to be MB, but the MB is taking over there. The majority of Libyans weren't MB, but the MB took over. Are you seeing a pattern here, because I sure as heck see one.
Is anyone who is muslim your enemy?
Only those who say up front that they are. If you are waging a "global anti-western, anti-capitalist revolution", the claimed goal of leaders of the Arab Spring, then yes you are my enemy.
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posted on
02/22/2012 11:02:14 AM PST
by
GonzoGOP
(There are millions of paranoid people in the world and they are all out to get me.)
To: GonzoGOP
“Is anyone who is muslim your enemy?”
“Only those who say up front that they are.”
You said “When thousands of my enemies are killed by each other, no it isn’t that bad.”
How do know the thousands killed are your enemy?
Yes, I see a pattern of MB opportunism.
Your answer to it is what? Let Assad slaughter whoever he wants to?
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posted on
02/22/2012 11:30:39 AM PST
by
nuconvert
( Khomeini promised change too // Hail, Chairman O)
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