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U.S. Bulks Up Iran Defenses
Fox News ^ | 2/22/2012 | Fox News

Posted on 02/24/2012 10:28:56 PM PST by U-238

The Pentagon is beefing up U.S. sea- and land-based defenses in the Persian Gulf to counter any attempt by Iran to close the Strait of Hormuz.

The U.S. military has notified Congress of plans to preposition new mine-detection and clearing equipment and expand surveillance capabilities in and around the strait, according to defense officials briefed on the requests, including one submitted earlier this month.

The military also wants to quickly modify weapons systems on ships so they could be used against Iranian fast-attack boats, as well as shore-launched cruise missiles, the defense officials said.

The readiness push is spearheaded by the military's Central Command, which oversees U.S. forces in the Gulf region, these officials said. It shows the extent to which war planners are taking tangible steps to prepare for a possible conflict with Iran, even as top White House and defense leaders try to tamp down talk of war and emphasize other options.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: centcom; centralcommand; fifthfleet; iran; pentagon; persiangulf; straitofhormuz; usnavy

1 posted on 02/24/2012 10:29:00 PM PST by U-238
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To: U-238

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=It7SQ546xRk


2 posted on 02/24/2012 10:49:40 PM PST by ltc8k6
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The biggest problem for the Fifth Fleet is the fast attack boats and mini-subs. The Iranian Navy has at least ten “suicide boats”(unconfirmed).Iran’s use of “mini submarines” pose very serious problems in the region, Iran continues to build missile and torpedo boats, as well as the fleet of mini subs…fast boats and small submarines pose a danger to multi million dollar US combat vessel. Remember the U.S. Cole? A rubber dinghy caused millions of dollars of damage.Nowadays, the Iranian Navy has up to 1,500 speedy boats, according to some conservative estimates.


3 posted on 02/24/2012 11:29:37 PM PST by U-238
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To: ltc8k6

Why? Just launch one from the States.


4 posted on 02/25/2012 2:03:42 AM PST by IamCenny
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To: U-238

The damage to the Cole came about because the Navy had determined that the locals were people of peace and therefore issued no rounds to the sailors on watch, nor allowed the deck guns to be armed or manned.

Those superhulled speed boats will only work as long as congress and the CIC withhold permission to upgrade to defend against swarm tactics.

Many of those boats are precached on uninhabited islands ... easy targets before they are made operational.


5 posted on 02/25/2012 2:45:44 AM PST by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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To: IamCenny

Just launch one from the States.

It is very diffifulty to launch a missile form anywhere which has been decommissioned - no longer exists. Send your thanks to Bill Clinton.


6 posted on 02/25/2012 2:50:24 AM PST by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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To: PIF

Looks to me like the modern model of the Minuteman III can hit Iran from launched from Florida, or California.


7 posted on 02/25/2012 2:59:57 AM PST by IamCenny
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To: IamCenny
Looks to me like the modern model of the Minuteman III can hit Iran from launched from Florida, or California.

Not the best option. Better would be a depressed-trajectory SLBM shot from an SSBN deployed to the Indian Ocean. No warning time, and you don't have the possibility of Vlad Putin thinking that the nuke is coming straight for him.

Taking the shot from the Med might be preferable because the missile would follow a West -> East trajectory. It would require more loft and a slightly longer travel time, but again it would mitigate the risk of Vlad freaking out. And we REALLY don't want Vlad to freak out.
8 posted on 02/25/2012 3:17:58 AM PST by tanknetter
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To: U-238

And why are we sending our oldest carrier to the front line ?

The big E was scheduled to decom. this year. But we have now got her heading out of Norfolk with a full crew and air wing.

Is this like moving your oldest battleships to Pear Harbor when you know there is an attack coming ?


9 posted on 02/25/2012 4:43:20 AM PST by maine yankee (I got my Governor at 'Marden's')
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To: maine yankee

We should have been free of the need for Middle Eastern oil years ago. What we are doing now is looking out for Europes oil.

We have the oil here, we just need to go get it.

Let Europe look out for the Straits.

The Middle East is a time bomb. Iran has tirned it into a time bomb. Sooner or later Iran will have to be destroyed.


10 posted on 02/25/2012 4:50:47 AM PST by Venturer
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To: U-238

Rules of Engagement in a “friendly” port were the cause of the Cole damage and casualties. The Zodiac was merely the means of delivery.

(”Rubber dinghies don’t kill ships, people do!”)

Free fire zones with a sufficient stand-off distance are the solution.


11 posted on 02/25/2012 4:54:41 AM PST by BwanaNdege (Man has often lost his way, but modern man has lost his address - Gilbert K. Chesterton)
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To: IamCenny

LGM-30F MIII was not tested in the video as an air launched missile - the 30F is over 5 feet longer than the tested 30A/B. No dispute about a ground launch.

Gound launch would be easier and sooner detected than an air launched version. Especially one bound for Mecca/Tehran.


12 posted on 02/25/2012 5:05:43 AM PST by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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To: U-238

How quaint just in time for the elections


13 posted on 02/25/2012 5:22:03 AM PST by ronnie raygun (V)
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To: Venturer

Why bust our butts for oil when we are already drilling like crazy for natural gas? We have so much of it and much more coming online, the price has been driven so low, companies are moving to drill for wet gas (contains propane, ethane, etc.) instead of dry gas (only natural gas)?

All we have to do is start converting part of our vehicle fleet to multi-fuel to kill OPEC and the high price of oil. The demand for imported oil in this country will drop like a rock.

Cheap energy prices in this country might quite possibly spur a renaissance in manufacturing as a side effect.

Being able to cruise by the gasoline pump and ignore the traditional Labor Day, Memorial Day, whenever the oil traders and sellers decide to screw you day is, of course, priceless.

Check my tagline.


14 posted on 02/25/2012 5:41:21 AM PST by meatloaf (Support House Bill 1380 to eliminate oil slavery.)
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To: maine yankee
if i had to guess, i'd say sacrificial lamb... if they are really going to try and sink one, the Big E fits the bill
15 posted on 02/25/2012 5:44:45 AM PST by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: BwanaNdege
"Rules of Engagement---"

If the excrement does hit the fan in the Gulf, rules of engagement are what might cause us to lose a capital ship. With our glorious CIC, can you imagine that you are the captain of a US Navy ship under asymmetrical attack, having to call the DOJ and White House for permission to defend yourself?

I hope I am mistaken on this, and that someone with experience can set met straight, but it seems to me that America's military assets are now used more for agendas that are politically correct rather than for defense and the waging of war.

16 posted on 02/25/2012 6:26:50 AM PST by buckalfa (Confused and Bewildered With a Glass Half Empty)
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To: meatloaf
All we have to do is start converting part of our vehicle fleet to multi-fuel to kill OPEC and the high price of oil. The demand for imported oil in this country will drop like a rock.

It's all so simple!

As much as I don't like the current situation, what you're talking about would take a long time, would cost consumers money up front, and way too many people and corporations have a vested interest in maintaining things as they are. Those people and corporations have the kinds of money to lobby against what you're talking about. that's assuming you could convince the American public to fork over the up-front costs of conversions.
17 posted on 02/25/2012 9:07:09 AM PST by af_vet_rr
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To: buckalfa
If the excrement does hit the fan in the Gulf, rules of engagement are what might cause us to lose a capital ship. With our glorious CIC, can you imagine that you are the captain of a US Navy ship under asymmetrical attack, having to call the DOJ and White House for permission to defend yourself?

I have faith that the people in charge of those ships in the Gulf would do what is right.
18 posted on 02/25/2012 9:08:29 AM PST by af_vet_rr
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To: U-238
Nowadays, the Iranian Navy has up to 1,500 speedy boats, according to some conservative estimates.

Gee...is there an A10 over water variant?
19 posted on 02/25/2012 9:12:26 AM PST by rottndog (Be Prepared for what's coming AFTER America....)
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To: U-238

Unknown to most people the military has its hands tied by the current administration. There will be no attack on Iran and Israel will be told to negotiate or have their funding cut.


20 posted on 02/25/2012 9:23:27 AM PST by mulder1 ("The supreme art of war is to subdue the enemy without fighting.")
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To: U-238

Qom - Uranium enrichment plant

IAEA says work started on Qom site earlier than Iran suggests In January 2012, Iran said it had begun uranium enrichment at the heavily fortified site of Fordo near the holy city of Qom.

It had revealed the existence of the facility, about 30km (20 miles) north of the city, in September 2009.


21 posted on 02/25/2012 10:50:15 AM PST by mulder1 ("The past is prologue.")
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To: af_vet_rr

Actually it is that simple with tax credits. If a local farmer can do his own conversions and save money by using natural gas without getting a tax credit think about what would happen if Detroit could count on buyers getting a tax credit. Consumers could get a $2,000 credit for installing a small CNG compressor at home.and a credit for buying a vehicle. Credits would also be available for those that added a refuel station to their current business location.

I haven’t done the math, but my guess is that gasoline would have to drop well under $3.00 per gallon to be competitive. This country would have a surplus of gasoline to export. Oil at current prices cannot compete with natural gas until it drops to a much lower level.

Passing the natural gas act will have a domino effect that will continue long into the future. The Arabs aren’t going to be happy. Neither is Chavez.

The point is that to use natural gas for automotive fuel, you don’t need a refinery to process it. Guess who that bypasses? The farmer used natural gas straight out of a well located on his property and used a surplus medical oxygen compressor to refuel his vehicles.


22 posted on 02/25/2012 10:53:47 AM PST by meatloaf (Support House Bill 1380 to eliminate oil slavery.)
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To: tanknetter

Right, I was just replying to PIF that it would be possible, to hit Iran from West or East coasts....but why not just launch from a sub in the Persian Gulf.


23 posted on 02/25/2012 1:48:22 PM PST by IamCenny
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To: meatloaf
On huge obstacle is that if you bypass the refineries or anything that takes the multinational oil corporations out of the loop or reduces their profit, they will get upset and throw a bunch of money at the critters in Congress who then do their best to make sure that those corporations continue making lots of profits at the expense of you and I.

In a contest between you and me versus the multinational and foreign corporations and their bought-and-paid-for lackeys in Congress, you and I will end up with the short end of the stick.

Even when we put the critters in Congress back in their place when they get too uppity and show their true colors as that of paid lackeys of large corporations, what do we do? We turn around and reelect them.

Look at Lamar Smith (R-TX), his district is right up against where I live, and I own property in his district. That little scumbag's biggest contributor is Hollywood and he introduced the SOPA crap. We made it clear he didn't want it and what does he do? He publicly declares he will bring it back up again at a later date. Now hopefully he will get the boot, because he pissed off a lot of people, people who might not normally vote, but the fact that we threw SOPA back in his face and he still had the gall to say he wasn't finished trying to get it pushed throw shows the biggest problem with Congress.

Until we truly start booting lots of people out of Congress, we will always have that obstacle of them being bought off by large corporations. We can stop them here and there, but they are going to come right back at us. The Lamar Smiths of the world are too firmly in the pockets of big companies. They don't give a damn about you or me, they give a damn about the lobbyists and companies throwing a lot of money their way because all they care about is their next election.
24 posted on 02/25/2012 3:11:42 PM PST by af_vet_rr
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To: IamCenny

Shorten the lead time and improve accuracy to be sure we hit a precise point. Also reduces the risk if the missile fails.

We can still do this, apparently.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltC18q4Td4A

Of course the original reason was to ensure that some minuteman missiles would survive to be launched in return...


25 posted on 02/25/2012 3:53:48 PM PST by ltc8k6
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To: af_vet_rr

Are you aware that both Exxon and Chevron bought into natural gas?


26 posted on 02/25/2012 4:07:33 PM PST by meatloaf (Support House Bill 1380 to eliminate oil slavery.)
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To: af_vet_rr

Based on the Maersk Alabama incident where the captain basically flipped Obozo the bird ... ain’t going to happen. Asking permission that is.


27 posted on 02/25/2012 4:10:12 PM PST by meatloaf (Support House Bill 1380 to eliminate oil slavery.)
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To: meatloaf
Are you aware that both Exxon and Chevron bought into natural gas?

Assuming that when you say the Natural Gas Act, you are talking about the Natural Gas Act that was brought up in 2008 by Inhofe, and then again about 8 or 9 months ago, are you aware that the biggest opponents of the NGA are the Koch brothers, who, drum roll please, are heavily invested in oil, pipelines, and refineries.

All it takes is a few large companies to oppose something, or in this case a couple of billionaire brothers with a lot of money sunk into oil, pipelines, and refineries, and service companies, and it's not going to happen. They didn't even have to enlist the support of the coal industry or any of the other oil companies.

I wish I could be as optimistic as you, but Congress is too easy to buy off.

The fact that T. Boone Pickens is involved with the NGA would make me pause. He doesn't support stuff unless he's going to make a lot of money, usually at the expense of others and usually when there's little to no risk for him.
28 posted on 02/25/2012 4:21:55 PM PST by af_vet_rr
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To: af_vet_rr

There are obviously some that will win big and some that could lose big by encouraging a feasible alternative to gasoline. As long as OPEC gets screwed when the demand for oil to refine gasoline goes down, I’m happy. I understand that below $80/bbl the Iranian mullahs start sucking wind. It wouldn’t hurt my feelings a bit if a huge drop in oil prices ended up with mullahs getting eliminated by the Persian people.

Of course having access to free natural gas and getting the government to pay for my compressor would bring a smile too.


29 posted on 02/25/2012 5:13:57 PM PST by meatloaf (Support House Bill 1380 to eliminate oil slavery.)
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