Skip to comments.Survey Says: Santorumís Social Views Killing Him in Michigan
Posted on 02/27/2012 10:44:53 AM PST by RobinMasters
Theres a chance Rick Santorum may still scrape out a win in Michigan tomorrow. This mornings Public Policy Polling survey has Mitt Romney leading him by just a few points, 39 percent to 37 percent. But the internal numbers look worse for Santorum, and his ongoing slide in the state seems to be due to his focus on social issues:
One place Santorum may have hurt himself in the last week is an overemphasis on social issues. 69 percent of voters say theyre generally more concerned with economic issues this year to only 17 percent who pick social issues. And with the overwhelming majority of voters more concerned about the economy, Romney leads Santorum 45-30. Santorums winning those more concerned about social issues 79-12 but its just not that big a piece of the pie.
Santorums net favorability has also taken a hit:
The last week of the campaign in Michigan has seen significant damage to Santorums image with GOP voters in the state. His net favorability has declined 29 points from +44 (67/23) to now only +15 (54/39). Negative attacks on Romney meanwhile have had no negative effect with his favorability steady at +20 (57/37). Two weeks ago Santorums net favorability in Michigan was 34 points better than Romneys. Now Romneys is 5 points better than Santorums. Those kinds of wild swings are the story of the GOP race.
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You mean you think the constitution has no underlying philosophic principles? Subsidarity is one of these. Individuals in families, in Churches, and in businesses are more fundamental than local government. Local governments are responsive to these than either state or federal government. The demand that a man be judged by his peers, that the law by which he is bound shall be written by men elected by him and his peers, is based on the idea that power should be exercised by those as close as possible the persons most directly affected.
I share the views of Rick Santorum to every crossed “t”.
I would not run on those views, understanding that the indoctrinated American voter does NOT share those views, but I would try to govern with those views where I could, where I might be able to influence direction, or, a redirection.
Why give away your location? I just don’t get it. No experienced pol’ would do that.
The only possible reason I can come up with is that Rick is simply working over the conservative electorate to smarmy them.
He seems to be laying so much extraordinarily conservative/religious smoke, hopin that it’s enough cover to hide and delay an inspection of his moderate/liberal legislative record, and his union sympathetic votes, and interests.
After all, where was all this family agenda of his when he was in office?
The troll that you are agreeing with and kissing up to, has already been banned.
Note to you: the Left brought the social issues up in the first place. They threw down the gauntlet and Rick was the only one with adequate cojones to pick it up.
So, it’s still his fault is it?
You do not like jokes????
PPP? Who in their right mind would believe a PPP poll?
Did Rick start that conversation, Rita? I recall George Stephanopoulos being the first to say anything at all about the entire area of discussion. Up to that point, Rick, Mitt and Newt were all about the economy. It was the President, his allies in the media and, well, anyone who chimed in, who have been making social issues the main point.
Do you disagree?
I’ll grant you that.
Clearly stated, the effect that the left’s war on the traditional American nuclear family has had on fiscal issues (such as the cost of health care alone) can be a powerful and potent message. The messages interlock. I wish more people could see that.
That is utterly ridiculous. Santorum was a leader in pushing for welfare reform, voted for a balanced budget and has an 88% rating from the American Conservative Union.
I forcefully agree with you! I forcefully agree with Rick Santorum!
My point is why give away your position to the enemy, before you can get yourself in a position to actually execute your own agenda?
IMHO, an experienced, intellegent leader simply does not broadcast to the enemy that you’re coming, the route you’re taking, and when you will be there, and expect anything but an ambush.
You know what I mean? Keep a location secret, and strike when in a position to do so—that being, IN OFFICE.
Thanks for that revealing that. That convinces Santorum might just be the man to make the changes necessary to get the nation back on track.
Santorum supporters better take notice! Even in 2000, when he easily won reelection to the Senate, he still lost among women. It was his 57% of men's votes that got him reelected.
However, in his 2006 18-point implosion, he lost 61% of women.
He cannot win nationally without nearly splitting the women's vote unless he can mirror Obama's advantage there with men's votes. W was able to do that in 2000, probably helping Rick get reelected, but Santorum lacks W's personal likability and, most importantly, is more strident on women and "women's issues." He won't be helped by his own book's harsh words for women who work outside the home. It was used against him in 2006 to excellent effect.
He looks like a nomination time bomb.
Sounds like our Founders:
Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.
― John Adams
It is not necessary or helpful to focus on the sort of general concepts to which you allude; although I will certainly acknowledge that in all of its functions, it looks to a maximum level of individual responsibility in order for our system to work. And that is certainly not inconsistent with the philosophic claim that you make. But you are trying to over-explain, what is clear without looking for some structure that may be generally, though not necessarily inevitably, consistent.
But Santorum has been trying to explain away the fact that he really does not recognize the rights of States, local communities, local courts, and individuals, to make decisions with which he does not agree. He may think that limitations on central authority are a good thing; he cannot be trusted to always recognize them.
Again, to specifically illustrate my point, consider the fact that he was one of those who supported the Federal intrusion into the Schiaavo case, which reflected extremely flawed judgment--both Constitutional & tactical, for that matter. (See Schiavo Case.)
I care about getting government out of my life, period. I don’t want government involved in my bedroom or my wallet.
In a free society where the consequences of one’s actions are not buffered by government, I believe people will naturally become more moral.
Yes sir, I do agree with you. I agree with Rick also on his beliefs.
However, on another thread this morning, a poster reported that Rick met with a small group of 25, in which the poster was included, TWO years ago where he spoke to these same family issues. The poster was making the point that these opinions and beliefs of Santorum’s are core with him.
I believe that to be true. I just don’t get why you want to blow yourself up before you get a chance to put your core principles into effect once you get in the big chair.
That is all I am saying.
I think others on this thread are willingly missing my point and choosing to be offended, belaboring in self-rightousness, when I agree with them on everything, but for Rick blowing himself up for all to see on the minutiae of an issue the voters don’t give a rip about when they are broke and jobless.
How many practicing Catholics who are devout are among the voters today?
Heck, even the numbers of practicing Christians are diminishing, or we wouldn’t be in this “fix” in the first place.
This survey sounds bogus to me. If you ask whether social or economic issues are more important, then people who are feeling the pain or are out of jobs will probably say economic.
After all, “social issues” is kind of a vague term.
But if you ask them whether they would vote for a baby killer who wants to train kids in kindgarten to be gay, their response might be different.
Or if you ask them whether they would want to vote for an honest politician who understands the difference between right and wrong, or a lying crook who could care less, they’d probably choose the first. Well, that’s pretty much what “social issues” means.
Politicians who don’t give a damn how many babies are killed are unlikely to be very trustworthy on other issues, including economic issues. They may talk the talk, but how can you trust someone without any moral values?
I'd have some sympathy for your view on this if the taxpayer wasn't on the hook to support the millions of out-of-wedlock babies produced from pre-marital sex.
The world can put that in their issue pipes and smoke it.
Good take. Ironically, social issues voters reject the kind of liars who put out surveys like this one.
Well, we reject the lies not the liars.
Consider that in 40 years after 1968, there have been about 800,000 murders total in the U.S.. Since Roe v Wade in 1973, there have been over 53,000,000 U.S. abortions, over 66 times the number of murders.
You realize that Barack Obama didn’t have to hide anything. He told us exactly what he intended to do. He told us he wanted to nationalize medicine and industry, to make gas and energy costs skyrocket, to fundamentally transform our society. He told us in his books (not written by him, but that’s beside the point) that he was a doper, a radical and a racist and his friends were too. He told us that his greatest influences were capital-C Communists and that the Constituion was an outmoded charter of negative liberties. He told us how much contempt he had for rural America, with their guns and the Bibles and their baseless hatred for anyone who doesn’t look like them. He told us everything we needed to know. Our idiot friends and neighbors elected him anyway.
Either they didn’t listen, didn’t care or didn’t believe it because the MSM didn’t report it. I don’t know what strategy exists to combat a criminally complicit media and a terminally oblivious electorate. I really don’t. I’m just praying that somehow, some way, the truth resonates with enough people to end this nightmare. Santorum is telling the truth. So is Gingrich to a large extent. I’ll go to war for either one of them.
No it is not stupid. It is about whether this nation shall remain Democratic Republic, or plunge into Marxist tyranny.
Reusing and old Clinton meme stinks.
Why do you keep posting this drivel? If the Feds had stayed out of it, that would be true, but they haven't. Hard for a state to undo a federal directive, with the current courts.
We are not putting them at the top, the MSM is and some are falling for it.
Wag the condom.
Indeed. Santo is clueless on the economy. I am floored that two worthless people are the frontrunners with Conservatives. I will most probably be sitting this election out or voting Green. Never in my wildest dreams...
Your guy is polling at the bottom now so you propagandize these threads thinking you will feel better?
I have suggested before that se lighten up on the insults until we see a clear winner. Have you suggested that the man at the bottom drop out, like many called on Santorum to drop out?
So, what’s the most effective phrase of ridicule:
“Wag the pill”
“Wag the condom”
“Wag the rubber”
Principle and conscience are different things. Santorum did poorly when he explained why he voted for NCLB. The outcome of NCLB was largely an unknown, the outcome of violating religious Conscience is understood.
If freepers don't see what is happening, then we are indeed in deep do do. This is not Santorum's frontline issue it is the MSM's issue. Rush rightly called it today their, "Wag the Pill" war.
"Tend," perhaps, but there are exceptions and Santorum is one of them.
We need not look beyond his own introduction of and votes for a half-billion dollar addition to the already $900 million Amtrak budget. That's not the work of a fiscal conservative.
Santorum even cut a TV ad in 2006 saying criticism of that action showed he was a middle-of-the-road kind of guy.
So you plan on voting for this POS maggot in the Green Party over Santorum? Are you for real?
Oh Rita, never heard of spies, or ambush? Maybe you could get a note off the Sarah, she might give you a pointer or two on how those things happen.
Never heard of the Constitution I guess, since you seem intent on proving your ignorance of it. WE know what the Tenth was about, but the Fed has stomped all over it, you offer nothing but homilies unless you are prepared to take up arms against the Fed.
Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness
Santorum spent his time talking about energy, regulations, manufacturing, and the differences between him and the Obama administration.
The ACU is also quite statist!
Then we should just go for the hedonist vote then? I really hope Newt picks up in the polls, these threads could use a little relief from your constant crabbing.
Post of the day for me.
If a candidate is not sound on social issues, his promises will mean little on economic issues.
I don’t think it is “crabbing” to recognize that the choir Rick sings to is not the majority of the population.
In fact, I think it is down right suspicious. All this smoke blowing Rick engages in keeps the useful distracted from his record, lost in their applause for his principled stand.
If you think it is brilliant, laudible and righteous to shoot yourself in the head and destroy your chance to win and be where you can advance your fine principles, then be my guest. Just observe and accept the results of such nincompoopery for yourself, but please don’t complain.
” In ten, nine, eight,......... .”
Poof. No more Rick. Check it out.
LOL! That sure was a TRUE statement If I ever saw one!
That and “Vote Santorum so that Newt has a chance to win!” I am sure that logic makes perfect sense to them also.
Me too. I will go to war for either of them, just not right now, for one of them.
The key word you fail to understand is “TALK”. That is as far as Santorum gets with it. He has no actual plan laid out, just talk about laying them out. And most of his ideas are similar to detailed plans that Newt Gingrich has already written and listed in order. (Guess where he got those ideas)
Newt has already done the hard work and has a solid plan, all Santorum has, is TALK and knows what you want to hear.
And Santorum may have been subdued when you saw him, but he has been doing the very opposite to the Press and you are seeing the result in the recent polls.