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To: Hodar
Hodar, I want to congratulate you on creating a post with the greatest number of non-facts I have ever seen. Only one sentence, your first, is correct.

I should have been a little less obtuse.

This is true! Everything else, not so much.

We have marginally enough power, electrically speaking - in the US to meet current needs. That’s why we have rolling blackouts during peak demand in the Summer time

FACT: On the whole, the US has plenty of baseload supply to meet demand. Some areas have challenges meeting peak demand (hence the need to build peaker plants and invest in transmission infrastructure). This has nothing to do with dependence on foreign fuels, your initial claim. Any future problems meeting baseload demand can easily be met by investments in new baseload power plants powered by domestic energy supplies, or proven investments in baseload reduction (efficiency, load management, etc).

We are not addign new nuclear, hydro or coal fired electrical plants;

This is simply inaccurate. I would add in addition to the above that we are also adding natural gas powered plants as well.

Natural Gas electical production is very expensive, these are used as secondary ‘booster’ facilities to push through during peak demand times.

Wrong.

34 posted on 02/27/2012 5:23:56 PM PST by Alter Kaker (Gravitation is a theory, not a fact. It should be approached with an open mind...)
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To: Alter Kaker
Obama shutting down Coal Power Plants: Google is your friend.

Power Grids at Capacity: Source

Nuclear Plants going up: As of 2010, demand for nuclear power softened in America, and some companies withdrew their applications for licenses to build.[2][3] Ground has been broken on two new nuclear plants with a total of four reactors. A reactor currently under construction at Watts Bar, Tennessee was begun in 1973 and may be completed in 2012. Of the 104 reactors now operating in the U.S., ground was broken on all of them in 1974 or earlier.[2][3] In September 2010, Matthew Wald from the New York Times reported that "the nuclear renaissance is looking small and slow at the moment".[4]"

Source

Plants being De-commissioned:

In the U.S. there are 13 reactors that have permanently shut down and are in some phase of decommissioning, but none of them have completed the process.Same source as above.

And speaking of Hydroelectric

Currently Hydro power is 7% of the total US Energy Budget. This has been going decreasing with time

Source

Finally, let's go to Natural Gas where we can read up on this for a few seconds.

However, high natural gas prices caused the cost of electricity from natural gas to be higher than that from coal. Because of this, and because in many regions there was surplus electricity capacity, electricity prices were not high enough to make natural gas generation economic. As a result, natural gas combined cycle (NGCC) units averaged about 40% capacity factors in 2007 compared to well over 70% in 2002.

Dept. of Energy

Where do you get your FACTS? Seems like you are making them up in your head, and then calling me a liar. Let's review, shall we? Obama and the EPA are shutting down Coal fired power production. We are decommissioning more Nuke plants than we are building. The ones coming online were started prior to 1974. Hydro is on the decline. Natural Gas is (gasp) just like I said it was "too expensive" - it's that whole Demand vs Supply law. AS we demand more Natural Gas, the price goes up - so it's not economical to use ... back in 2002.

Now, how to you plan to charge all those nice fancy car batteries?

But wait, it gets better. A gas motor gets ~20% efficieny. What do we get with a generator? Well, let's say we get 80%, then we have transmission losses, then we have transformer losses getting it from the 100KV range back down to 220/120, then we get more losses charging the battery, and more loss when we discharge the battery. Bottom line - gasoline engines may be more efficient from the get go.

35 posted on 02/27/2012 5:55:52 PM PST by Hodar ( Who needs laws; when this FEELS so right?)
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