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Obama: "Son of Islam"?
stonegateinstitute.org ^ | 27FEB12 | Raymond Ibrahim

Posted on 02/27/2012 1:28:03 PM PST by bayouranger

According to Sharia law, if one's father is Muslim, one automatically becomes Muslim. "Most of the Muslims I know (me included) can't seem to accept that Obama is not a Muslim."

Many in the media are indignant with Reverend Franklin Graham, head of the Billy Graham Evangelistic Association. Invited on "Morning Joe" last Tuesday to discuss Christian persecution, Graham was asked whether he thought President Barack Obama was Christian or not. Although Graham concluded that Obama "has said he is a Christian, so I just have to assume that he is," he appeared skeptical, suggesting Obama's policies disagreed with Christian principles, thus earning the full ire of much of the fourth estate.

Graham, however, was absolutely right to say that, "under Islamic law, the Muslim world sees Barack Obama as a Muslim, as a son of Islam": according to Sharia law [Islamic religious law, which regulates all parts of a Muslim's life], if one's father is Muslim, one automatically becomes Muslim. The reason behind last week's church attack in Egypt, when thousands of Muslims tried to torch a church and kill its pastor, is that a Christian girl fled from her father after he converted to Islam: she did not want to be Muslim, and was rumored to be hiding in the church. This is not the first time in recent months that churches have been attacked on similar rumors.

In short, Sharia law's position is that anyone born to a Muslim father is a Muslim—with the death penalty should they seek to apostatize: the 34-year-old Iranian pastor sentenced to death simply for converting to Christianity is just the most visible example.

Because of this automatic passage of religion from father to son, and because Obama attended a madrassa (Muslim religious school during his youth in Indonesia), many Muslims are convinced that Obama is a "secret" Muslim. In a Forbes article, "My Muslim President Obama: Why members of the faith see him as one of the flock ," writer Asma Gull Hasan elaborates:

[S]ince Election Day, I have been part of more and more conversations with Muslims in which it was either offhandedly agreed that Obama is Muslim or enthusiastically blurted out. In commenting on our new president, "I have to support my fellow Muslim brother," would slip out of my mouth before I had a chance to think twice. "Well, I know he's not really Muslim," I would quickly add. But if the person I was talking to was Muslim, they would say, "yes he is." …. Most of the Muslims I know (me included) can't seem to accept that Obama is not Muslim. Of the few Muslims I polled who said that Obama is not Muslim, even they conceded that he had ties to Islam…. The rationalistic, Western side of me knows that Obama has denied being Muslim, that his father was non-practicing, that he doesn't attend a mosque. Many Muslims simply say back, "my father's not a strict Muslim either, and I haven't been to a mosque in years." Obama even told The New York Times he could recite the adhan, the Islamic call to prayer, which the vast majority of Muslims, I would guess, do not know well enough to recite.

Read the entire article, which is more eye-opening than the author probably intended.

Another reason many Muslims believe Obama is a Muslim (and a reason Ms. Hasan's article understandably omits) is that, under the Islamic doctrine of taqiyya [dissimulation], Muslims are permitted—in certain contexts, and even encouraged—to deny being Muslim, if so doing secures them or Islam an advantage. Accordingly, Islamic history is full of stories of Muslims denying and publicly cursing Islam, and even pretending to be Christian, whenever there was a strategic advantage.

In other words, if an American president were a secret Muslim, and if he were lying about it, and even if he were secretly working to subvert the U.S. to Islam's advantage —not only would taqiyya, or dissimulation, be justified by Islam's doctrines of loyalty and deception, but it would have ample precedents, stretching back to the dawn of Islam. Muhammad, for example, commanded a convert from an adversarial tribe to conceal his new Muslim identity and go back to his tribe—which he cajoled with "You are my stock and my family, the dearest of men to me"—only to betray them to Islam's invading armies.

Graham further upset certain sensitivities by saying, "All I know is under Obama, President Obama, the Muslims of the world, he seems to be more concerned about them than the Christians that are being murdered in the Muslim countries," adding that "Islam has gotten a free pass under Obama."

Yet who can deny this? Whether by expunging any reference to Islam in U.S. security documents, or enabling Muslim persecution of Christians, or ordering NASA to make Muslims "feel good" about themselves, or bowing to the anti-Christian Saudi king—the President has made his partiality for Islam very clear: under Obama, Islam is undoubtedly getting a "free pass."

What Graham's critics seem not to understand is when it comes to Obama's religious identity, Graham probably has in mind Jesus' dictum: "By their fruits shall ye know them"—that is, pro-Islamic actions speak louder than Christian words.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: burgherqueen; deception; filthykoranimals; islamjihad; maybealittleblow; muslimterroristpos; mymuslimfaithquote; taqiyyataqiyya

1 posted on 02/27/2012 1:28:15 PM PST by bayouranger
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To: bayouranger

He’s a son of a something alright.


2 posted on 02/27/2012 1:30:11 PM PST by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: bayouranger

If 0bama is NOT considered a Muslim by Muslims wouldn’t they be committed to killing him as an apostate?


3 posted on 02/27/2012 1:31:49 PM PST by ChinaGotTheGoodsOnClinton (Go Egypt on 0bama)
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To: bayouranger
This was a point I raised a long time ago - it isn't nearly as relevant what Øbongo claims about his faith - to most of the islamic world he is a muzzie, always has been, and always will be.

The fact that he is an apostate by denying it only inflames an already insane bunch of cretins and increases the possibility of violence against Americans as a result.

4 posted on 02/27/2012 1:38:48 PM PST by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: MestaMachine; LucyT; melancholy; Brown Deer; null and void

We knew this, but interesting FYI


5 posted on 02/27/2012 1:39:51 PM PST by Rushmore Rocks
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To: ChinaGotTheGoodsOnClinton

True—they would kill him-—so he must be on a mission of taking over the USA—where as a Muslim—you can lie, disregard the regulations, do anything to convert or take over and/or destroy the USA and all their military power and economic system. He is either a Marxist or a Muslim—either one is determined to destroy this nation and the morality (Judeo/Christian God) of the masses.


6 posted on 02/27/2012 1:39:51 PM PST by savagesusie (Right Reason According to Nature = Just Law)
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To: bayouranger

‘he appeared skeptical, suggesting Obama’s policies disagreed with Christian’—————

Please Muslim(who wrote the article) explain how- appearing skeptical, ‘suggests’ Obama’s ‘policies’ disagreed with Christian....???

More Muslim propaganda....Ibrahim, you ain’t as good at it as Obama is.


7 posted on 02/27/2012 1:39:56 PM PST by Freddd (NoPA ngineers.)
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To: cripplecreek

hahahaha!


8 posted on 02/27/2012 1:40:09 PM PST by Irenic
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To: bayouranger

Yet, he is urging churches to vote for him. “Not only is Obama playing the race card in an attempt to pressure black Americans into voting for him, he is also violating the separation between church and state. In the video promo for the campaign, Obama urges black people to pressure churches into supporting his administration by getting his message out via “the faith community”. He also calls on voters to become “congregation captains”.

The video and the rest of the article can be seen at http://www.prisonplanet.com/obama-plays-race-card-calls-on-churches-to-support-campaign.html


9 posted on 02/27/2012 1:40:43 PM PST by Humal
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To: bayouranger
under the Islamic doctrine of taqiyya [dissimulation], Muslims are permitted—in certain contexts, and even encouraged—to deny being Muslim, if so doing secures them or Islam an advantage.

Just like in Marxism and other forms of evil, Moslims believe that the ends justify the means.

10 posted on 02/27/2012 1:42:29 PM PST by mjp ((pro-{God, reality, reason, egoism, individualism, natural rights, limited government, capitalism}))
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To: Rushmore Rocks; Berlin_Freeper; Hotlanta Mike; Silentgypsy; repubmom; HANG THE EXPENSE; Nepeta; ...


This was a point I raised a long time ago - it isn't nearly as relevant what Øbongo claims about his faith - to most of the islamic world he is a muzzie, always has been, and always will be.

We knew this, but interesting FYI

11 posted on 02/27/2012 1:43:45 PM PST by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: ChinaGotTheGoodsOnClinton

Ya gots to hope so, just wait til he’s out of office ya damn moosies, we don’t need him becoming a martyr


12 posted on 02/27/2012 1:44:39 PM PST by Joe Boucher ((FUBO) Hey Mitt, F-you too pal)
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To: bayouranger

Obama loves his country.... just not ours.


13 posted on 02/27/2012 1:44:39 PM PST by Gator113 (** President Newt Gingrich-"Our beloved republic deserves nothing less." ~Just livin' life, my way~)
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To: cripplecreek

Son of Perdition, perhaps.

What he is is anti-Christian. Muslims just happen to be on the same side in that conflict.


14 posted on 02/27/2012 1:44:51 PM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: ChinaGotTheGoodsOnClinton; rockrr

Around my parts, the koranimals consider him to be a “holy” man.


15 posted on 02/27/2012 1:52:25 PM PST by bayouranger (The 1st victim of islam is the person who practices the lie.)
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To: Humal

IBD had an article last week on Black Liberation Theology.
It’s simply anti-white Marxism dressed up in Christianese.

So, when a reference is made to “black churches”, the question must be asked - are these Christian churches or BLT “churches”?


16 posted on 02/27/2012 2:01:10 PM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: Joe Boucher

I can just see it, some terrorist blows himself up near 0bama after yelling “Allah Akbar”,

and the MSM, Harry Reid, and Nanzi Pelozi will jump in front of a camera and blame Santorum or Palin for it.


17 posted on 02/27/2012 2:03:29 PM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: bayouranger

“that is, pro-Islamic actions speak louder than Christian words.”

Exactly.


18 posted on 02/27/2012 2:09:07 PM PST by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: MrB; cripplecreek

Do you guys remember when CNN called him “president of the world”?

That was bizarre.

http://edition.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/11/05/international.press.reaction/

November 5, 2008 — Updated 1507 GMT

“Barack Obama is ‘President of the world’”

Of course that same night, Nov. 5 was when the Evening Pick 3 of his home state wound up being 666.

http://www.illinoislottery.com/subsections/History/Win2008.htm

11/05/2008 Evening Pick 3 6-6-6

I’m not saying he’s the guy - just that it was all rather creepy at the time.


19 posted on 02/27/2012 2:18:26 PM PST by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: bayouranger

Hi IS a muslime.


20 posted on 02/27/2012 2:21:35 PM PST by Fireone (Gingrich/West 2012. (did I mention FUBO?))
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To: bayouranger

There has never been any doubt in my mind that he is a Muslim.

He is doing a damned fine job of ruining our country.


21 posted on 02/27/2012 2:39:33 PM PST by Venturer
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To: Rushmore Rocks

This needs to go viral. If Americans knew that Muslims think he’s Muslim, then that would be the end of him as president. Who better to know?


22 posted on 02/27/2012 2:42:40 PM PST by dandiegirl
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To: dandiegirl

I agree.

Sadly, to state a very old quote............”Th masses are asses.”


23 posted on 02/27/2012 3:05:03 PM PST by Rushmore Rocks
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To: Rushmore Rocks

Oops. Th = the


24 posted on 02/27/2012 3:06:25 PM PST by Rushmore Rocks
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To: cripplecreek
He’s a son of a something alright.

While this may not be what you had in mind, Obama is the son of an alien, and our Constitution requires that our presidents be born, on our soil, to parents who are citizens. The Constitution imposes no constraints on eligibility to the presidency based upon religioius beliefs. Here is the positive law, precedent, defining the background necessary to be eligible to the presidency. The only citizens defined in our Constitution before the 14th Amendment were natural born citizens. The reason our framers put the definition into the Constitution was that they didn't want squabbling among states about who were eligible to be president, and each state had its own definition of who were citizens, and would agree among themselves, in Congress, upon “an uniform rule of naturalization” - Article 1 section 8.

“The Constitution does not, in words, say who shall be natural-born citizens. Resort must be had elsewhere to ascertain that. At common-law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the Constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country of parents who were its citizens became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives, or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners.”

During the 60s lots of blacks decided, for varying reasons, to become Muslim. Mohammed Ali, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, Yusef Latif, and many others, including Khalid al-Mansour, formerly Don Warden, a Black Panther founder, who became an attorney for Alwaleed bin-Talal, and who funded Barry Soetoro’s education, beginning around the time Barry became Barack Obama. Remember, it was Al-Mansour, who approached Malcolm X's former attorney, Percy Sutton, for help in securing Barry's admission to Harvard. Percy explained that money was not a problem since Alwaleed is one of the world's wealthiest men, and al-Mansour’s employer. Bin-Talaal, probably not coincidentally, is the largest investor in News Corp, which owns the Wall Street Journal and Fox News, after Rupert Murdoch. Bin-Talaal is also one of Harvard's largest benefactors, with the largest department of Harvard Divinity School, the Alwaleed bin-Talaal Center of Islamic Studies, which extends to Georgetown, Cambridge, and American Universty campuses in Lebanon and Cairo. He also donated at least twenty million dollars to Harvard not long after Barack graduated, the only Editor of the Harvard Law Review never to have contributed a single article. Bin-Talaal is also a major stockholder of Cisco, Apple, Google, and probably many other corporations. Recall that Rudy Giuliani refused bin-Talaal’s ten million dollar apology after 9/11.

What sage advised "Follow the money?"

25 posted on 02/27/2012 3:57:03 PM PST by Spaulding
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To: Jet Jaguar; Lady Jag; Slings and Arrows; maggief; Dog; BP2; Candor7; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Spotsy; ..

good one -ping


26 posted on 02/27/2012 4:58:19 PM PST by bitt (Ayn Rand “Honest people are never touchy about the matter of being trusted.”)
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To: MrB

And Hillary stepping right in to lead the party and America out of the dark times.

Sooo, does everyone know what ALL the Clinton operatives responsible for Clintoncide are doing about now??


27 posted on 02/27/2012 5:32:43 PM PST by Joe Boucher ((FUBO) Hey Mitt, F-you too pal)
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To: dandiegirl

His worshippers don’t care if he is a muslim. And even after reading this they’ll either say “I don’t care” or “I don’t believe it”.

This is typical of liberals. When Clinton was running in 1992 a woman in Little Rock was told that Clinton admitted to the Jennifer Flowers affair and she said “I still don’t believe it.’


28 posted on 02/27/2012 5:53:39 PM PST by Terry Mross (Difference between a conservative / liberal-obvious. Difference between a rep and a dem? None)
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To: ChinaGotTheGoodsOnClinton
“If 0bama is NOT considered a Muslim by Muslims wouldn’t they be committed to killing him as an apostate?”

My Muslim roommates from back in the 1970’s would state this as obvious to any Muslim.

You have hit the nail on the head. The elephant in the room.

29 posted on 02/27/2012 6:42:10 PM PST by Yulee (Village of Albion)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks bitt.


30 posted on 02/27/2012 7:02:05 PM PST by SunkenCiv (FReep this FReepathon!)
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To: bitt

31 posted on 02/27/2012 7:08:29 PM PST by SunkenCiv (FReep this FReepathon!)
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To: bitt
How can recorded data written in so many places be discarded so casually?

In his Stephanopolus interview he said McCain "hasn't mentioned my Muslim faith." MY Muslim faith. Was it a lack of TOTUS or the slip of a tongue that was skillful at splitting hairs?


32 posted on 02/27/2012 7:14:27 PM PST by Lady Jag (Laws are spider webs through which the big flies pass and the little ones get caught)
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To: bayouranger

Why you would allow koranimals around your parts is inexplicable. Unless yousest meaneth hereabouts.


33 posted on 02/27/2012 7:16:43 PM PST by bigheadfred
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To: bayouranger; LucyT
the President has made his partiality for Islam very clear: under Obama, Islam is undoubtedly getting a "free pass." >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Well, this is really effed up, the idjit can't even get cheaper gas prices from the Muslims for all of his grovelling.

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Time for a change! Time to take the idjit out!

34 posted on 02/27/2012 7:19:44 PM PST by Candor7 (Obama fascist info..http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html)
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To: ChinaGotTheGoodsOnClinton
If 0bama is NOT considered a Muslim by Muslims wouldn’t they be committed to killing him as an apostate?

Ta-daaaaa!


35 posted on 02/27/2012 7:21:46 PM PST by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: bitt

Thanks for the ping!


36 posted on 02/27/2012 7:56:06 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: bitt
Sites back up as of approx: 10:05PM EST., Tuesday 28th.
One can see why Calypso Louie has made recent comments as he has. Probably a set up to make it look like some white gun/bible hugging person is responsible for some incident that might come to past. Where it is most probable some pissed off Islamist will take the individual out.
37 posted on 02/28/2012 7:26:27 PM PST by Marine_Uncle
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To: bigheadfred

Hereabouts

Hereabouts

Hereabouts

Thank you for the correction.


38 posted on 02/29/2012 5:13:07 AM PST by bayouranger (The 1st victim of islam is the person who practices the lie.)
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