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To: Ghost of Philip Marlowe
overall damage to those individuals unfortunate enough to have been ruined by drugs (Google “meth addiction”) and to society on the whole.

People damage themselves with alcohol, tobacco, and fatty foods - should we ban those too? Or should we remain a nation founded on liberty? I choose liberty.

Yet you want to legalize drugs and thereby guarantee that recreational drug usage will become more prevalent, which will result in even greater harm to individuals

That doesn't necessarily follow from increased use. For example, legalization will remove the incentives for users to use in ways that make abuse and addiction likelier - like getting as high as possible when one gets high (as drinkers did during Prohibition) and spending lots of time planning one's next high.

and society (which impacts those individuals who do not use drugs).

Society is impacted when people damage themselves with alcohol, tobacco, and fatty foods - should we ban those too? Or should we remain a nation founded on liberty? I choose liberty.

You also stated that there should be no restrictions on which drugs are illegal and when I quoted Ron Paul who made the same statement, you implicitly agreed.

Paul and I each wear pants, too - what of it?

So what other human behaviors should not be restricted?

Should the state sanction euthanasia for any reason whatsoever?

And, if so, why not have state-sanctioned Russian Roulette so that those people who decide to off themselves can do so in a manner that enables state-sanctioned gambling?

It would be like the new televised poker games that you, just with people who were going to commit suicide or euthanasia blowing their brains out.

“That’s absurd!”

Yes, it is. I am using the absurd to point out the absurd.

One can oppose intentional suicide as legal entertainment (as I do) without thereby agreeing to all government action against any degree of self-harm. See above on people damaging themselves with alcohol, tobacco, and fatty foods.

I have posited many scenarios of “what else should not be restricted” and you gave no logical legitimate response,

Bullsh!t.

because you know, if you have any conservatism in you whatsoever, that you do not agree with completely unrestricted behavior.

Of course not - that's your straw man. I support resricting rights-violating behavior (where rights means real individual rights, not fictitious "rights" like the liberals' "right" to health care or the statists' "right" to live in a drug-free society - which drug criminalization hasn't and can't achieve anyway).

This, as I stated earlier, is why constitutional American patriots who support the Founding Fathers believe in the need for voluntary restraint of individual behavior

And as I've stated several times with no response from you, there's nothing voluntary about banning things.

so that liberty will not become license, which is a license inevitably revoked by the State.

You know that you do not want brothels and crack houses operating legally next door do you.

As I've said, I support zoning regulations.

You do not want people coming in to your office on meth and heroin.

Nor drunk; I support employers' right to test for any drug.

You do not want pornography and sex toys on every channel

There will always be a market demand for porn-free channels - and TVs will always have off buttons.

and on the checkout stand at every store where you and your family will not be able to avoid it. I find it hard that you want to walk with your family past drug addicts slouched against the walls of 1 out of 2 blocks that you walk by

Baseless hysteria - we don't encounter alcohol addicts anywhere near that often.

or that you want children in school to have even easier access to those drugs that will destroy them and break the hearts of their families.

Since kids report that they can now get marijuana more easily than cigarettes or beer, it follows that the best way to restict their access to drugs is to make them legal for adults only (thus giving those who sell to adults a disincentive to sell to kids - namely, the loss of their legal adult market).

You do believe in restrictions, just your own set of restrictions that will enable you to indulge in a behavior that you want to without fear of prosecution. And then you admit that lifting the selective set of restrictions that you oppose will harm individuals and society, yet you still say they should be lifted.

People damage themselves with alcohol, tobacco, and fatty foods - should we ban those too? Or should we remain a nation founded on liberty? I choose liberty.

As I said at the beginning, this liberaltarian argument is nothing more than the self-indulgence the 1960’s radicals imposed upon us for their own decadent pleasure, at the expense of our national culture. Most probably were not aware that that breakdown of our culture was planned and implemented by communists and socialists with the express goal of destroying our nation and creating a vacuum of morality, history, ideology, and prosperity...a vacuum that they planned to fill with the Iron Fist of the State.

Legal alcohol has done us less harm than Prohibition, and legal drugs will do us less harm than the War On Drugs.

30 posted on 03/08/2012 8:23:51 AM PST by JustSayNoToNannies (A free society's default policy: it's none of government's business.)
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To: JustSayNoToNannies

I’m going to copy-and-paste and reply to your comments just so that you can see how annoying and stupid it is.

But this:
“Baseless hysteria”

is too priceless.

That is exactly what your leftist buddies, the 1960’s radicals kept saying about those of us who warned against the evils of communism and socialism.

So far, you are in great company, with all those leftists and collectivists who tear down America by destroying our culture. And when decadence and ruined lives is the result, THEY (as you will be) are the ones calling for greater governmental control.

Again, you’d be more at home at the DemocRAT Underground, troll. Why not leave FR and go home?

I’ll post detailed replies to your inane commentary later.


32 posted on 03/10/2012 10:00:04 AM PST by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (Prepare for survival. (Ron Paul is the Lyndon Larouche of the 21st century.))
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To: JustSayNoToNannies

“I choose liberty.”

...he said, pounding his chest, waving the flag, and looking skyward.

Now that is just hilarious.

Drug addiction is not liberty, it is slavery. And it is the worst type of slavery because it owns you for the rest of your life.

And you and your self-indulgent cronies want to cast that broad net of slavery over thousands upon thousands or people (as any realistically thinking Patriot knows would be the result) and thump your chest trying to convince everyone that this type of addiction, this type of self-indulgent behavior that would require yet another iron-fisted bureaucracy is somehow supporting of “liberty.”

Put the crack pipe down and go back to DU, troll.


33 posted on 03/10/2012 10:11:41 AM PST by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (Prepare for survival. (Ron Paul is the Lyndon Larouche of the 21st century.))
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