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Chinese DF-31 ICBMs spotted in central China
FAS ^ | 3/3/2012 | Hans M. Kristensen

Posted on 03/04/2012 6:55:17 PM PST by U-238

Recent satellite images show that China is setting up launch units for its newest road-mobile Intercontinental Ballistic Missile (ICBM) in central China. Several launchers of the new DF-31/31A appeared at two sites in the eastern part of the Qinghai province in June 2011. This is part of China’s slow modernization of its small (compared with Russia and the United States) nuclear arsenal. An image taken on June 27, 2011 , shows two DF-31/31A launchers on the launch pads of a small launch unit near Haiyan (36°49’37.12″N, 101° 6’22.97″E). One is positioned in a circular pad with support vehicles surrounding it. The circular pad was added to the facility sometime between 2005 and 2010. The other launcher is on a pad to the north, located next to an x-shaped launch pad and a missile garage. The layout of the Haiyan launch site is similar, yet not identical, to the DF-31 launch unit of the 813 Brigade at Nanyang.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aerospace; ballisticmissile; china; df31; icbm; pla

1 posted on 03/04/2012 6:55:22 PM PST by U-238
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With an estimated range of 7,200-plus kilometers (4,470 miles), the DF-31 cannot target the continental United States from Central China. But the modification known as DF-31A can with its estimated range of 11,200-plus kilometers (6,960 miles), reach most of the continental United States from Central China. The DF-31/31A missiles can target all of Russia and India from Central China.


2 posted on 03/04/2012 6:56:30 PM PST by U-238
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To: U-238

why did the US never build its nuclear deterrent around mobile missiles? Is it because of the sub force?


3 posted on 03/04/2012 7:00:43 PM PST by stefanbatory (Insert witty tagline here)
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To: stefanbatory

There was design work done on rail train based missiles in the 50s. Some of this was negotiated away under SALT, but I think the cruise missile program made it obsolete.


4 posted on 03/04/2012 7:10:27 PM PST by nascarnation (DEFEAT BARAQ 2012 DEPORT BARAQ 2013)
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To: stefanbatory

Command and control of sub launched missiles is tricky because our ballistic missile subs spend most of its time underwater. Best survivable strike force is airborne bombers with stand off weapons like cruise or SRAM.


6 posted on 03/04/2012 7:11:32 PM PST by Fee
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To: U-238

Does this mean we get to bring back the MX missile?


7 posted on 03/04/2012 7:14:08 PM PST by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: stefanbatory

The USAF developed the Midgetman whcih was supposed to be a mobile missile system.It can travel up to 55 mph on the highway, and it can also travel off the road.They had also missiles that could travel by train.The USAF also developed the “ missile train track method” would they would move missiles around from silo to silo. I guess it was cheaper to keep the missiles in their fixed silos.The Midgetman was cancelled in 1992.It would of worked. The sub force would overwhelm any Russian resistance.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YXoZyCVFIPA&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H4rquFY8soE


8 posted on 03/04/2012 7:15:49 PM PST by U-238
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To: Fee

The last I heard, was we no longer have those weapons on subs or ships. They’ve all been nuetred.


9 posted on 03/04/2012 7:16:34 PM PST by Dogbert41 ("...or by Jerusalem, for it is the city of the Great King. " -Jesus)
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To: Mariner

It exists to some extent under the Minotaur program


10 posted on 03/04/2012 7:17:08 PM PST by U-238
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To: U-238

Just plug the coordinates into maps.google.com, and you can check them out pretty easily; looks like each pad is supported by 7+ vehicles.

Can you find the entrance to the “secret” submarine base on the southern tip of Hainan island (where the PLAN didn’t want our EP-3 all those years back) ?

On the right side of the bay you’ll see two very long piers (those are for aircraft carriers), and then three shorter piers (for cruisers and subs) —you’re going in the right direction. Keep going around the bottom tip of that peninsula, and you’ll see a large concrete “notch” —that’s the submarine entrance.

They have plans for that place to accommodate over 10 nuclear subs in there.


11 posted on 03/04/2012 7:25:41 PM PST by gaijin
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To: stefanbatory

Why bother. Subs bring the missiles closer and therefore can reach time critical targets but our land based missiles can be launched long before anything reaches them first.


12 posted on 03/04/2012 7:27:15 PM PST by CodeToad (NO TAXATION WITHOUT REPRESENTATION!!!)
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To: gaijin

Hainan —> southern tip —> Yalong bay —> east peninsula arm, note the piers I described above:

See the southernmost of the 3 shorter piers? OK that’s our reference point:

Go 1 km southeast along that peninsula, and you’ll see the concrete notch —that’s the underwater submarine entrance.


13 posted on 03/04/2012 7:29:15 PM PST by gaijin
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To: gaijin
Can you find the entrance to the “secret” submarine base on the southern tip of Hainan island (where the PLAN didn’t want our EP-3 all those years back) http://a57.foxnews.com/images/368227/450/350/1_21_submarine_satellite.jpg
14 posted on 03/04/2012 7:43:06 PM PST by U-238
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To: gaijin

http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/archives/Sub%20Base%20Hainan%20Island.jpg


15 posted on 03/04/2012 7:46:18 PM PST by U-238
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To: Dogbert41

Wrong- We got them WND delivery packages underwater since 1960`s but it ain`t saltwater, no sir.


16 posted on 03/04/2012 7:47:44 PM PST by bunkerhill7 (Fisht?. Who knew?)
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To: Dogbert41
The last I heard, was we no longer have those weapons on subs or ships. They’ve all been nuetred.

You may be thinking of the conversion of some of the Ohio-class missile boats to conventional-warhead cruise missiles. Only four of eighteen were so modified, last I heard. We still have lots of seaborne nuclear deterrent.

17 posted on 03/04/2012 9:01:55 PM PST by Charles Martel (Endeavor to persevere...)
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To: U-238; TXnMA

” - - - the U.S. intelligence community estimates that China currently has “fewer than 50” missiles that can target the continental United States, suggesting that less that 25 DF-31As are currently deployed. (The number is a little more uncertain now after the Pentagon in 2011 started supporting Chinese nuclear secrecy by no longer providing a breakdown of Chinese missile forces in its annual report on Chinese military power).”

Okay, lemme see now - - - . Our spy people count the Chinese missiles, and our Generals “promise not to tell.”

Guess everybody has to Cave In and play nuclear tag-team football, so Sheriff of Nottingham Timmy Gee can keep on selling those “Support the Obamanation” Bonds to China.

BTW, wasn’t the news, back in the day, that THE COLD WAR was over? I probably dis-remember that now that we are rapidly - - - ? Just what are our fearless leaders doing?


18 posted on 03/04/2012 9:18:07 PM PST by Graewoulf (( obama"care" violates the 1890 Sherman Anti-Trust Law, AND is illegal by the U.S. Constitution.))
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To: Graewoulf

The intelligence are never correct about the number. They are just going on estimates.The intelligence community were wrong about the “missile and bomber gaps” of the 1950s and 1960s.Sometimes, these weapons can be held in some bunker or hollowed out mountain.The best way is to is:

A)A high level defector who gives an accurate count.
B)That there are people(HUMINT)on the ground. The Israelis are always correct because they have actual people on the ground getting information.


19 posted on 03/04/2012 9:29:45 PM PST by U-238
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To: Charles Martel; bunkerhill7

That’s comforting to hear, guys, thanks! I’m quite gald to be wrong!


20 posted on 03/04/2012 10:04:00 PM PST by Dogbert41 ("...or by Jerusalem, for it is the city of the Great King. " -Jesus)
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To: U-238
....perhaps twice as many by 2025. But even then, the Chinese force will be small compared with that of Russia and the United States.

We need to keep in mind, China has what is commonly referred to as a "deterrent" force. Russia and the US have what is commonly referred to as a "MAD" force, (Mutally Assured Destruction). I've read estimates between 800-1500 ICBM's, each, vs China's, maybe 50 or so. And double that amount by 2025. Which would still put them at significantly less than either the US or Russia.

I find it ironic, that the American public, no longer fears Russia's capability, but seem to focus on China's. But I personally fear Russia more and feel Russia would more likely use weapons of mass destruction than the Chinese.

It only makes sense, that Russia would likely use her force long before China. China has a growing conventional force. China is more plugged into the global economy and more dependent than Russia for global resources. And China's financial system is slowly integrating into the West. There is no need for China to resort to nuclear force, but only as an absolute last resort.

Russia on the other hand, is a super power based soley on her nuclear arsenel. That is her ace in the hole.

So, once again, I do find it ironic that few seem to fear Russia.

21 posted on 03/05/2012 11:37:16 AM PST by ponder life
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To: ponder life

I agree with your thesis. Russia is still a danger.


22 posted on 03/05/2012 4:00:36 PM PST by U-238
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To: U-238

Thanks, I appreciate your honesty.


23 posted on 03/05/2012 7:46:07 PM PST by ponder life
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To: ponder life

No problem!!


24 posted on 03/05/2012 7:47:26 PM PST by U-238
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks U-238.


25 posted on 03/07/2012 8:16:04 PM PST by SunkenCiv (FReep this FReepathon!)
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