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The Mormon Senator Who Tried To Save Anne Frank
Jewish Press ^ | February 29th, 2012 | Rafael Medoff

Posted on 03/08/2012 5:47:26 PM PST by SJackson

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1 posted on 03/08/2012 5:47:26 PM PST by SJackson
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To: dennisw; Cachelot; Nix 2; veronica; Catspaw; knighthawk; Alouette; Optimist; weikel; Lent; GregB; ..
Middle East and terrorism, occasional political and Jewish issues Ping List. High Volume

If you’d like to be on or off, please FR mail me.

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2 posted on 03/08/2012 5:47:57 PM PST by SJackson (The Pilgrims Doing the jobs Native Americans wouldn't do !)
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To: SJackson

Mormon authors Alan F. Keele and Douglas F. Tobler, in "The Führer's New Clothes," wrote,
"Hitler enjoyed at least as much popularity among German Mormons
as he did among the population in general. His apparent dynamism and self-confidence seemed
to show a way out of the chaos and weakness of the Weimar years...
Some Church members even saw Hitler as God's instrument,
preparing the world for the millennium." The Borks, above,
were among thousands of Mormon families who sent their sons
to fight for the Reich. The vital importance of "Aryan" ancestry
gave new significance to genealogical research, the writers
added in their Sunstone article. "And the Führer himself,
the non-smoking, non-drinking vegetarian who yielded
to no one in his desire for absolute law and order, seemed
to embody many of the most basic LDS virtues."

It was clear, the authors emphasized, that the Church's priority
was to maintain its strength and continue to make converts under the Third Reich.
It actually launched a public relations campaign to reassure
Germany of its fealty. Indeed, an article written for a special issue
of the Nazi Party organ Der Volkische Beobachter by the LDS Mission President
to West Germany, Alfred C. Rees, "abounds in such loaded terms as Volk
and Rasse (race), and a picture of Brigham Young bears the caption,
'Führer der historischen Mormonenpioniere.' Very disturbing
is the way President Rees blatantly parallels Mormonism with
Nazism…Mormonism sounds like a fulfillment of Nazi teachings."

LDS Temple Ordinance records indicate that Adolf Hitler was
"baptized" and "endowed" on December 10, 1993, and "sealed"
to his parents on March 12, 1994. These events took place
in the London Temple, in England. Hitler was "sealed" to Eva Braun
on September 28, 1993, in the Jordan River Temple, Utah, and
on June 14, 1994, in the Los Angeles Temple. According to the
Church, these names -- and the names of other high-ranking
Nazi officials and of Mussolini -- have been removed from the registry.
The issue of Mormons posthumously baptizing Jewish people into the
Church continues to resurface regularly.

There appears to have been considerable support for Hitler
within the Mormon cult.... and even substantial collaboration."

3 posted on 03/08/2012 5:50:49 PM PST by Diogenesis ("Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. " Pres. Ronald Reagan)
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To: SJackson
Before rushing to inject the issue into the presidential race, it is worth recalling that leaders of the Mormon church have already pledged to refrain from posthumously “saving the souls” of Hitler’s victims

Does anyone have an up to date count of how many times the mormons have made that "pledge"?

4 posted on 03/08/2012 5:53:34 PM PST by Graybeard58 (Eccl 10 v. 19 A feast is made for laughter, and wine maketh merry: but money answereth all things.)
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To: SJackson; Elsie; colorcountry; greyfoxx39; Zakeet; reaganaut; Tennessee Nana; Godzilla

I would hope this is true, however have never heard of it before now after seventy years as an historian and Utah native and Mormon apostate.

Ping to those who may know.


5 posted on 03/08/2012 5:55:41 PM PST by Utah Binger (Southern Utah where the world comes to see America)
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To: Scoutmaster

Meant to ping you too.


6 posted on 03/08/2012 5:57:36 PM PST by Utah Binger (Southern Utah where the world comes to see America)
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To: SJackson

The story does not match the headline.
Theoretically Anne Frank maybe have possibly been one of the children saved vs the mormon senator who tried to save Anne Frank.


7 posted on 03/08/2012 5:58:41 PM PST by svcw (CLEAN WATER http://www.longlostsis.com/PI/MayanHelp2012.html)
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To: SJackson
Cults behave in ways that are hard for outsiders to fathom.

The LDS is not an exception.

This is why no one understands Romney...all we see is the tip of the iceberg (in fact, the tip he has so studiously prepared for our viewing)!

8 posted on 03/08/2012 6:00:27 PM PST by RoosterRedux (Newt: Drill Here, Drill Now, Pay Less. Barack Obama: Have Algae, Pay More, Be Weird.)
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To: svcw

Sorry not to ping you too. Anne Frank was Dutch and not German if I remember correctly.


9 posted on 03/08/2012 6:00:44 PM PST by Utah Binger (Southern Utah where the world comes to see America)
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To: SJackson

Even if Romney pleaded with SLC lds to stop the dead dunking of Jews, and SLC lds said they wouldn’t any longer except they have promised at least six times in the last year this practice would end and it hasn’t.


10 posted on 03/08/2012 6:02:57 PM PST by svcw (CLEAN WATER http://www.longlostsis.com/PI/MayanHelp2012.html)
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To: Utah Binger

The Franks were originally from Frankfurt am Main, Germany.


11 posted on 03/08/2012 6:08:22 PM PST by Fiji Hill
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To: svcw

That’s true, though no reflection on his actions.


12 posted on 03/08/2012 6:16:14 PM PST by SJackson (The Pilgrims Doing the jobs Native Americans wouldn't do !)
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To: Fiji Hill

Thanks for the info. My wife and my family went through that building in Amsterdam back in 1982. Kids have never gotten over that experience. Tour guides were very good but I don’t remember that fact being stated. I am sure that is right. Today I learned that Statins causes loss of memory. That is my excuse and I’m sticking to it. No more damn Crestor for me.


13 posted on 03/08/2012 6:17:12 PM PST by Utah Binger (Southern Utah where the world comes to see America)
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To: Utah Binger
I would hope this is true, however have never heard of it before now after seventy years as an historian and Utah native and Mormon apostate.

I've not heard of this before, but frankly it doesn't sound like his efforts went anywhere, so that's not surprising. If the article is correct regarding legislation, that part of the record should be out there.

14 posted on 03/08/2012 6:18:21 PM PST by SJackson (The Pilgrims Doing the jobs Native Americans wouldn't do !)
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To: SJackson

From my perspective there is a lot of bragging going on about the sanctimonious perfection of Mormonism and their intent.

Sometimes it is all made up. I would hope there is a record. If not, it is just more of the same.


15 posted on 03/08/2012 6:23:35 PM PST by Utah Binger (Southern Utah where the world comes to see America)
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To: Utah Binger; SJackson; Elsie; colorcountry; greyfoxx39; Zakeet; reaganaut; Tennessee Nana; ...

I have never heard/read of it either and considering the number of LDS officials who were Nazi’s, Nazi Sympathizers (even in SLC) and SS soldiers, and having read extensively on Nazi/Mormon connections during the war, I don’t believe it.

It looks to me to be more of a puff piece in the wake of the Wiesenthal scandal. LDS often lies and rewrites history to save its sorry *** and THAT is documented.


16 posted on 03/08/2012 6:29:29 PM PST by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian "I once was lost, but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: Utah Binger

Don’t know, but Rafael Medoff and the Wyman Institute are serious individuals/institutions with no reason to promote the LDS. I’d believe them. Given the nature of the times, an effort like this was doomed to failure, but I’m willing to give the Senator credit for his attempt. I’d speculate that the timing of the article might be related to the recent controversy over baptising dead Jews.


17 posted on 03/08/2012 6:31:26 PM PST by SJackson (The Pilgrims Doing the jobs Native Americans wouldn't do !)
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To: reaganaut

Note post 17, it’s not from LDS isn’t, Medoff and the Wyman Institure are legitimate sources. As I noted the timing is, well, the timing.


18 posted on 03/08/2012 6:34:44 PM PST by SJackson (The Pilgrims Doing the jobs Native Americans wouldn't do !)
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To: reaganaut

Sorry ass indeed. Live *** translation.


19 posted on 03/08/2012 6:36:01 PM PST by Utah Binger (Southern Utah where the world comes to see America)
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To: Utah Binger

I went through the house in 1966—At the time, I don’t believe it was as big a tourist attraction as it is today. If I remember correctly, the tour was self-guided.


20 posted on 03/08/2012 6:39:59 PM PST by Fiji Hill
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To: SJackson; reaganaut
I’d speculate that the timing of the article might be related to the recent controversy over baptising dead Jews.

Goes without saying.

21 posted on 03/08/2012 6:40:57 PM PST by Utah Binger (Southern Utah where the world comes to see America)
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To: Fiji Hill
I was there as well in 1963 as a kid just returning from Denmark after 30 months. My interests then were Dutch girls and the Heineken brewery.
22 posted on 03/08/2012 6:48:17 PM PST by Utah Binger (Southern Utah where the world comes to see America)
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To: reaganaut; Utah Binger; svcw; ansel12; AnTiw1; Scoutmaster
What is mormon-speak for "astroturf"? A quick search on Google shows that this story is being spread across the internet, but the ONLY source I can see for it comes from Medoff. It would be interesting to see if the Romneys or Romney campaign have donated to the Wyman Institute.

It looks very obvious to me that Mitt/LDS Inc have borrowed from David Axelrod.

From Wiki

Astroturfing is a form of advocacy in support of a political, organizational, or corporate agenda, designed to give the appearance of a "grassroots" movement. The goal of such campaigns is to disguise the efforts of a political or commercial entity as an independent public reaction to another political entity—a politician, political group, product, service or event. The term is a derivation of AstroTurf, a brand of synthetic carpeting designed to look like natural grass.

Like other advocates, astroturfers attempt to manipulate public opinion by both overt (outreach awareness, etc.) and covert (disinformation) means. Astroturfing may be undertaken by an individual promoting a personal agenda, or by organized professional groups for pay, or by activist organizations. Services may be provided by political consultants who also provide opposition research and other services. Beneficiaries are not the campaigners but the organizations that orchestrate the campaigns.

23 posted on 03/08/2012 7:09:19 PM PST by greyfoxx39 (If Jesus returned today the mormon church would try to sell him a condo in their billion-dollar mall)
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To: Utah Binger

Thanks. As a Scout leader, I’m more familiar with the story of Helmuth Hubener.


24 posted on 03/08/2012 7:19:10 PM PST by Scoutmaster (You knew the job was dangerous when you took it)
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To: SJackson

Don’t you find it interesting that this story which has to this point been unknown comes out now?


25 posted on 03/08/2012 7:45:27 PM PST by svcw (CLEAN WATER http://www.longlostsis.com/PI/MayanHelp2012.html)
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To: SJackson
Werner Goering, a nephew of Hermann Goering, was born in Salt Lake City and was a bomber pilot for the USAAF in WWII. His parents were apparently Mormon converts

The quota rules imposed in 1921 and 1924 were not directed against Jews and Italians only, but against all the European groups that the WASPs of that day considered undesirable--Poles, Czechs, Hungarians, Slovenes, Croats, Serbs, Bulgarians, Greeks, any Eastern Europeans. It was just that the Jews were hurt the most by the policy because they had the greatest incentive to get out of Europe once Hitler came to power and had a much higher likelihood of being killed if the Germans took control of the country where they lived.

One of my professors was on the last passenger ship that crossed the ocean to America in 1939 before the war started--he was then about 4 years old. His family was lucky to have some American relatives sponsor them.

26 posted on 03/08/2012 8:03:48 PM PST by Verginius Rufus
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To: Verginius Rufus

A relative of mine is marrying a foreigner and they have been consulting with immigration about getting residency, and they said it is an involved process even for an American marrying a foreigner.


27 posted on 03/08/2012 8:53:19 PM PST by Ciexyz
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To: SJackson; Utah Binger

That doesn’t mean much. The LDS is known for ‘feeding’ sources and most groups, no matter how good, can’t or don’t independently verify them. IOW, if the original information came from the LDS, it should be suspect.

They have pulled this stunt before, many times.

I would want to see independent (non LDS touched) sources and documentation.


28 posted on 03/08/2012 9:22:12 PM PST by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian "I once was lost, but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: SJackson; Diogenesis; Jewbacca; MestaMachine; Eleutheria5; Zionista Feminista; ...
If I read the posted article correctly, the legislation sponsored the Mormon Senator King might possibly have saved some Jewish lives, but surely couldn't have saved Anne Frank. That's because of the timing of the congressional vote, i.e., the same week as the Nazis invaded the Netherlands. There wouldn't be enough time for any Dutch Jew to escape from that country and to make it to any safe location, let alone a location from which one could get to Alaska safely.

This posted story also illustrates a very underreported and "politically incorrect" aspect of the history of the years immediately prior to the United States entry into WWII: Franklin D. Roosevelt's and his administration's callousness to the plight of European Jewry under ever-increasing peril from Nazi expansionism. Call it antisemitism if you will.

29 posted on 03/08/2012 9:23:26 PM PST by justiceseeker93
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To: greyfoxx39

What is mormon-speak for “astroturf”?

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Lying for the Lord. This stinks to high heaven.


31 posted on 03/08/2012 9:25:24 PM PST by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian "I once was lost, but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: Verginius Rufus; SJackson; Scoutmaster

Side note - one of the biggest lies the Mormon membership tell each other is that Mormons were rounded up and killed by the Nazi’s like the JW’s, gays, and Jews. It not only isn’t true, the opposite is true, SLC and the Nazi’s enjoyed good relations throughout the war.

The one exception was Helmuth Hubener who was excommunicated for fighting the Nazi’s and then reinstated posthumously.


32 posted on 03/08/2012 9:28:49 PM PST by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian "I once was lost, but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: justiceseeker93
The administration that accidentally made Kosher slaughter illegal under the National Recovery Act didn't give a damn about Jews. The man in charge of immigration, Breckinridge Long hated Jews and made sure that quotas were not filled. One of his cronies threatened to kill my godfather, an American working in France, for leaking the truth of Jews being rounded up. He was threatened with being kicked out of the consulate without papers.

I will never understand how so many Jews idolize this administration. Their blindness and sloth sickens me. But then I'm not one of them. I'm descended from survivors.

33 posted on 03/08/2012 10:33:53 PM PST by rmlew ("Mosques are our barracks, minarets our bayonets, domes our helmets, the believers our soldiers.")
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To: justiceseeker93

Nancy Pelosi’s father, then a Democrat Congressman, also bucked FDR and tried to encourage the US gov’t to save Jews.

As late as 1943, hundreds of Orthodox rabbis publicly marched on the White House on behalf of saving European Jews. They were rebuffed by FDR.


34 posted on 03/08/2012 11:27:51 PM PST by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: Scoutmaster
"German boys! Do you know the country without freedom, the country of terror and tyranny? Yes, you know it well, but are afraid to talk about it. They have intimidated you to such an extent that you don't dare talk for fear of reprisals. Yes you are right; it is Germany — Hitler Germany! Through their unscrupulous terror tactics against young and old, men and women, they have succeeded in making you spineless puppets to do their bidding."



"MORMON boys! Do you know the country without freedom, the country of terror and tyranny? Yes, you know it well, but are afraid to talk about it. They have intimidated you to such an extent that you don't dare talk for fear of reprisals. Yes you are right; it is SALT LAKE CITY — MORMON SLC! Through their unscrupulous terror tactics against young and old, men and women, they have succeeded in making you spineless puppets to do their bidding."


Why no; Ma'am. We do this willingly."

35 posted on 03/09/2012 4:12:29 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Diogenesis
"Hitler enjoyed at least as much popularity among German Mormons as he did among the population in general. His apparent dynamism and self-confidence seemed to show a way out of the chaos and weakness of the Weimar years...

"Romney enjoys at least much more popularity among American Mormons than he does among the population in general. His apparent dynamism and self-confidence seems to show a way out of the chaos and weakness of the Bush/Obama years...

36 posted on 03/09/2012 4:15:35 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: svcw
The story does not match the headline.

Welcome to MORMONism!

37 posted on 03/09/2012 4:16:31 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Utah Binger

Hey!

I’m on Pravastatin Sodium, 20 Mg.

(I think...)


38 posted on 03/09/2012 4:18:39 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Utah Binger
My wife and my family went through that building in Amsterdam back in 1982.

I went thru YOUR building a couple years ago.

I've not forgotten THAT, either!



Here is my Sweetie (in brown) looking at your fantastic vista!

39 posted on 03/09/2012 4:24:34 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Utah Binger
From my perspective there is a lot of bragging going on about the sanctimonious perfection of Mormonism and their intent.

Oh?



 

MORMON
ATTITUDES OF SUPERIORITY
 

  1. I’m Superior; I have a special gift of the holy Ghost -- you don’t!
  2. I’m Superior; I have God’s true priesthood power -- you don’t!
  3. I’m Superior; I can go in God’s secret Temple -- you can’t!
  4. I’m Superior; I’ve been Endowed with special Gifts and Knowledge -- you’re just normal!
  5. I’m Superior; I’ll have my family with me in heaven -- you’ll be with strangers!
  6. I’m Superior; I’m becoming a God -- you aren’t!
  7. I’m Superior; My women know their place as servants of man and yours don’t.
  8. I’m Superior; YOUR creeds are wrong because they come from man - mine comes from God (you can find each one printed in our Scriptures).
  9. I’m Superior; I don’t HAVE a creed - I’ve got 13 Articles of Faith.
10. I'm Superior; I have 4 "Bibles"-- the standard works (5 if you count the JST) -- you've only got one: in as far as it is translated correctly.
11. I’m Superior; I can lie with impunity about such things as church membership, church growth, church doctrine, church history, church influence, etc. —                           -- You can’t.
12. I’m Superior; I am right (everybody knows) when I say 'evangelical' Christians are lunatics -- 
                           -- You’re a hideous narrow-minded bigot, who is persecuting me by practicing discrimination by saying I'm not a Christian.
13. I'm Superior; I have a testimony about a prophet -- you don't.
14. I'm Superior; I have a Scripture-producing Amos 3:7 prophet -- you don't
15. I’m Superior; I have a Living Prophet who talks to god every day -- you have a dim-witted hireling of Satan who only talks to himself.
16. I'm Superior; I have my calling & election made sure -- you don't.
17. I’m Superior; I have magic underwear to protect me from the bogey man -- you don’t.
18. I’m Superior; I have secret clasps and grips to give the angel so I get admitted to the celestial kingdom -- you don’t ;so you can’t.
19. I'm Superior; I know secret handshake codes for afterlife entrances-- you don't.
20. I’m Superior; I will see Joseph Smith setting on the right hand of GOD, when I get to Mormon heaven, and he will recognize me and judge me favorably                              -- You’re on your own; when you get to wherever you’re going!
21. I’m Superior; I’m going to hie to Kolob -- you’re going to who knows where.
22. I’m Superior; I get to have a harem and act like a celestial stud for time and all eternity -- you don’t.
23. I’m Superior; I have sun stones, moon stones, sky stones, cloud stones, Saturn stones, and the evil eye of Osirus guarding my temple
                            -- You have nothing but a stupid cross.
24. I’m Superior; My church has billions in assets stashed away -- yours has taken a stupid vow of poverty.
25. I'm Superior; Last - we have the power to keep a whole race out of our priesthood if we wanted to reinsert our 148-year legacy  (we ARE still keeping an entire GENDER at bay!)
26.  I'm superior; I have the "higher law" -- everyone else "lives under the "lesser law' because I say so...(over and over).
 
 
Revision 46.5
Semi-Official creed of the EXclusive club of Freeper Flying Inmans.
All rights liable to be abused.

40 posted on 03/09/2012 4:26:02 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Utah Binger
Sometimes it is all made up.









I would hope there is a record.

Curelom bones melt; they do NOT fossilize.

41 posted on 03/09/2012 4:28:01 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: reaganaut
LDS often lies and rewrites history to save its sorry *** and THAT is documented.

 


 
Eerily familiar...
 
 

Party ownership of the print media
made it easy to manipulate public opinion,
and the film and radio carried the process further.


 



16. Ministry Of Truth

.......

The Ministry of Truth, Winston's place of work, contained, it was said, three thousand rooms above ground level, and corresponding ramifications below.

The Ministry of Truth concerned itself with Lies. Party ownership of the print media made it easy to manipulate public opinion, and the film and radio carried the process further.

The primary job of the Ministry of Truth was to supply the citizens of Oceania with newspapers, films, textbooks, telescreen programmes, plays, novels - with every conceivable kind of information, instruction, or entertainment, from a statue to a slogan, from a lyric poem to a biological treatise, and from a child's spelling-book to a Newspeak dictionary.

Winston worked in the RECORDS DEPARTMENT (a single branch of the Ministry of Truth) editing and writing for The Times. He dictated into a machine called a speakwrite. Winston would receive articles or news-items which for one reason or another it was thought necessary to alter, or, in Newspeak, rectify. If, for example, the Ministry of Plenty forecast a surplus, and in reality the result was grossly less, Winston's job was to change previous versions so the old version would agree with the new one. This process of continuous alteration was applied not only to newspapers, but to books, periodicals, pamphlets, posters, leaflets, films, sound-tracks, cartoons, photographs - to every kind of literature or documentation which might conceivably hold any political or ideological significance.

When his day's work started, Winston pulled the speakwrite towards him, blew the dust from its mouthpiece, and put on his spectacles. He dialed 'back numbers' on the telescreen and called for the appropriate issues of The Times, which slid out of the pneumatic tube after only a few minutes' delay. The messages he had received referred to articles or news-items which for one reason or another it was thought necessary to rectify.

In the walls of the cubicle there were three orifices. To the right of the speakwrite, a small pneumatic tube for written messages; to the left, a larger one for newspapers; and on the side wall, within easy reach of Winston's arm, a large oblong slit protected by a wire grating. This last was for the disposal of waste paper. Similar slits existed in thousands or tens of thousands throughout the building, not only in every room but at short intervals in every corridor. For some reason they were nicknamed memory holes. When one knew that any document was due for destruction, or even when one saw a scrap of waste paper lying about, it was an automatic action to lift the flap of the nearest memory hole and drop it in, whereupon it would be whirled away on a current of warm air to the enormous furnaces which were hidden somewhere in the recesses of the building.

As soon as Winston had dealt with each of the messages, he clipped his speakwritten corrections to the appropriate copy of The Times and pushed them into the pneumatic tube. Then, with a movement which was as nearly as possible unconscious, he crumpled up the original message and any notes that he himself had made, and dropped them into the memory hole to be devoured by the flames.

What happened in the unseen labyrinth to which the tubes led, he did not know in detail, but he did know in general terms. As soon as all the corrections which happened to be necessary in any particular number of The Times had been assembled and collated, that number would be reprinted, the original copy destroyed, and the corrected copy placed on the files in its stead.

In the cubicle next to him the little woman with sandy hair toiled day in day out, simply at tracking down and deleting from the Press the names of people who had been vaporized and were therefore considered never to have existed. And this hall, with its fifty workers or thereabouts, was only one-sub-section, a single cell, as it were, in the huge complexity of the Records Department. Beyond, above, below, were other swarms of workers engaged in an unimaginable multitude of jobs.

There were huge printing-shops and their sub editors, their typography experts, and their elaborately equipped studios for the faking of photographs. There was the tele-programmes section with its engineers, its producers and its teams of actors specially chosen for their skill in imitating voices; clerks whose job was simply to draw up lists of books and periodicals which were due for recall; vast repositories where the corrected documents were stored; and the hidden furnaces where the original copies were destroyed.

And somewhere or other, quite anonymous, there were the directing brains who co-ordinated the whole effort and laid down the lines of policy which made it necessary that this fragment of the past should be preserved, that one falsified, and the other rubbed out of existence.

 
 


42 posted on 03/09/2012 4:29:11 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: reaganaut
LDS often lies and rewrites history to save its sorry *** and THAT is documented.

 
 
" The most brilliant propagandist technique will yield no success
unless one fundamental principle is borne in mind constantly -
- it must confine itself to a few points and repeat them over and over."



43 posted on 03/09/2012 4:30:01 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: greyfoxx39

ASTROTURF??

We Flying Inmen provide REAL GRASS!


44 posted on 03/09/2012 4:31:36 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Diogenesis
I thought I was going to click on this thread and make a smart aleck comment about the Mormons babtising Ann Frank since she's dead and can't object.....and there it is in the first sentence!

Geez, can't this religion get any new members that aren't dead?

45 posted on 03/09/2012 4:31:56 AM PST by CAluvdubya
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To: Ciexyz

First; you go to Nuevo Laredo...


46 posted on 03/09/2012 4:33:16 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: reaganaut
The LDS is known for ‘feeding’ sources and most groups, no matter how good, can’t or don’t independently verify them. IOW, if the original information came from the LDS, it should be suspect.

Oh??

http://newsroom.lds.org/article/church-seeks-to-address-public-confusion-over-texas-polygamy-group

47 posted on 03/09/2012 4:34:15 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Elsie

At 1:12 pm. Recorded for history. Your archive must look like that room with all the National Geographic mags. Any more shots from down here? I’ve got you back up on the new web site.

http://www.thunderbirdfoundation.com/programs/artist-retreats/
http://www.thunderbirdfoundation.org


48 posted on 03/09/2012 5:18:00 AM PST by Utah Binger (Southern Utah where the world comes to see America)
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To: Utah Binger
Any more shots from down here?

Yup...








49 posted on 03/09/2012 7:06:25 AM PST by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going)
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To: Elsie
Ah yes the Milford Zornes painting. Sold that one but there are more.
50 posted on 03/09/2012 7:17:04 AM PST by Utah Binger (Southern Utah where the world comes to see America)
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