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Illinois Primary Could Be Rick Santorum's Big Chance
LATimes ^ | March 14, 2012 | Paul West

Posted on 03/14/2012 9:54:02 PM PDT by Steelfish

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To: true believer forever
CNN's exit polls were wrong in Michigan, despite Daily Kos pushing here

Kos and the left talk a game about mischief. They FAILED to deliver.

21 posted on 03/15/2012 12:10:38 AM PDT by Darren McCarty (Time for brokered convention)
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To: Utmost Certainty

Yes, they did..and they want it to continue all of the way through each state. Most of our media ignores it. That site got really energized prior the Michigan and Ohio; that’s where even radio personalities were asking for their democratic party members to vote for Santorun as well. CNN has 2 stories on their site about this. They were there a few hours ago anyway...so, look at the remaining states to see the damage that they are planning on doing.

It is awful for a person to deliberate insight falsehoods. I couldn’t live that way. I got real ticked to read that they were bragging about Newt losing by a close margin in Al and MS. Santorum doesn’t even realize what is happening. Illinois, he may win as well and so on-because the turn out is so low and a few thousand votes can swing it one direction. Newt, took a (orchestrated) blow in MS Al due to this probably. They say they rather run against Rick, then Mitt just not Newt or Palin, at all. Too bad, that our side was not smart and as united to one person (Newt/my preference) Praying God steps in to get us on a good path. (That side is getting ready for Mitt or Rick in the fall..has me very worried)


22 posted on 03/15/2012 12:15:56 AM PDT by Christie at the beach (I like Newt and would love to see political dead bodies on the floor.)
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Didn't we hear this about Michigan?

Didn't we hear this about Ohio?

Santorum can't even pull delegates from all the places he might win in Illinois because of an ineptly disorganized ground campaign.

Predictably, the sainted Santorum's spit-squads will whine and complain like their golden calf.

No genuine conservative proposes and votes for a 61% half-billion dollar budget increase for Amtrak and runs a TV ad trumpeting the effort. No genuine conservative votes to confirm the woman Obama made his first choice for the Supreme Court. No conservative defends Arlen Specter against charges of liberalism, in TV ads, claiming "he's with us on the votes that matter." Votes like... ObamaCare, Rick?

The "see no evil, speak no evil, hear no evil" non-vetting by Rick's rabble is every bit as bad as Obama's zombie hoards of Hope from '08.

23 posted on 03/15/2012 12:19:47 AM PDT by newzjunkey (Santorum: 18-point loss, voted for Sotomayor, proposed $550M on top of $900M Amtrak budget...)
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To: Steelfish

Romney will will by over 6 points. No chance Santorum wins. Santorum would have to winn all the delegates of this state and several other big states to overcome the delegate gap. We’re stuck with Romney.


24 posted on 03/15/2012 12:20:40 AM PDT by AlmaKing
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To: newzjunkey
The "see no evil, speak no evil, hear no evil" non-vetting by Rick's rabble is every bit as bad as Obama's zombie hoards of Hope from '08.

It's the same thing. He's an empty vessel that masses of voters are projecting their personal fantasy idealizations into. Santorum is the Obama of the Right.

I got to cynically wondering if some of the marketing people working for Santorum's campaign were former marketeers for Obama's campaign.
25 posted on 03/15/2012 12:30:15 AM PDT by Utmost Certainty (Our Enemy, the State | Gingrich 2012)
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To: DoughtyOne

Just a few of Newt’s other accomplishments, for starters; (santorum’s 2 books are at the very end, one he wrote for his campaign, the other a bio about himself):

After you get through with these volumes, there are several white papers, position papers, strategy protocols developed while he taught the Joint Chiefs of Staff on Warfare Strategy, one or 2 documentaries, not sure exactly, his think tank work, and several scholarly papers from biomedicine to national security. please let me know when you’d like those titles.

GINGRICH WRITINGS:
Nonfiction
Gingrich has authored or co-authored 18 non-fiction books since 1982.
* The Government’s Role in Solving Societal Problems, Associated Faculty Press, Incorporated. January 1982 ISBN 978-0-86733-026-7
* Window of Opportunity. Tom Doherty Associates, December 1985. ISBN 978-0-312-93923-6
* Contract with America (co-editor). Times Books, December 1994. ISBN 978-0-8129-2586-9
* Restoring the Dream. Times Books, May 1995. ISBN 978-0-8129-2666-8
* Quotations from Speaker Newt. Workman Publishing Company, Inc., July 1995. ISBN 978-0-7611-0092-8
* To Renew America. Farrar Straus & Giroux, July 1996. ISBN 978-0-06-109539-9
* Lessons Learned The Hard Way. HarperCollins Publishers, May 1998 ISBN 978-0-06-019106-1
* Presidential Determination Regarding Certification of the Thirty-Two Major Illicit Narcotics Producing and Transit Countries. DIANE Publishing Company, September 1999. ISBN 978-0-7881-3186-8
* Saving Lives and Saving Money. Alexis de Tocqueville Institution, April 2003. ISBN 978-0-9705485-4-2
* Winning the Future. Regnery Publishing, January 2005. ISBN 978-0-89526-042-0
* Rediscovering God in America: Reflections on the Role of Faith in Our Nation’s History and Future, Integrity Publishers, October 2006. ISBN 978-1-59145-482-3
* The Art of Transformation, with Nancy Desmond. CHT Press, November 29, 2006, ISBN 978-1-933966-00-7
* A Contract with the Earth, with Terry L. Maple. Johns Hopkins University Press, October 1, 2007. ISBN 978-0-8018-8780-2
* Real Change: From the World That Fails to the World That Works, Regnery Publishing, January 2008. ISBN 978-1-59698-053-2
* Drill Here, Drill Now, Pay Less: A Handbook for Slashing Gas Prices and Solving Our Energy Crisis, with Vince Haley. Regnery Publishing, September 2008 ISBN 978-1-59698-576-6
* 5 Principles for a Successful Life: From Our Family to Yours, with Jackie Gingrich Cushman, Crown Publishing Group, May 2009 ISBN 978-0-307-46232-9
* To Save America: Stopping Obama’s Secular-Socialist Machine, with Joe DeSantis. Regnery Publishing, May 2010 ISBN 978-1-59698-596-4
* A Nation Like No Other: Why American Exceptionalism Matters, Regnery Publishing, June 2011 ISBN 978-1-59698-271-0
Fiction
Gingrich co-wrote the following alternate history novels and series of novels with William R. Forstchen.
* 1945 Baen Books, August 1995 ISBN 978-0-671-87739-2
Civil War Series
* Gettysburg: A Novel of the Civil War Thomas Dunne Books, June 2003 ISBN 978-0-312-30935-0
* Grant Comes East Thomas Dunne Books, June 2004 ISBN 978-0-312-30937-4
* Never Call Retreat: Lee and Grant: The Final Victory Thomas Dunne Books, June 2005 ISBN 978-0-312-34298-2
* The Battle of the Crater: A Novel Thomas Dunne Books, November 2011 ISBN 978-0-312-60710-4
Pacific War Series
* Pearl Harbor: A Novel of December 8th Thomas Dunne Books, May 2007 ISBN 978-0-312-36350-5
* Days of Infamy Thomas Dunne Books, April 2008 ISBN 978-0-312-36351-2
Revolutionary War Series
* To Try Men’s Souls: A Novel of George Washington and the Fight for American Freedom, October 2009, ISBN 978-0-312-59106-9
* Valley Forge: George Washington and the Crucible of Victory, November 2010, ISBN 978-0-312-59107-6
Films
* Nine Days that Changed the World, Gingrich Productions, April 2010[186]
Santorum Writings:
# Rick Santorum (2005). It Takes a Family: Conservatism and the Common Good. Intercollegiate Studies Institute. ISBN 1-932236-29-5.
# Rick Santorum (2005). Rick Santorum. Monument Press. ISBN 0-9769668-0-8.
* Rediscovering God in America: Reflections on the Role of Faith in Our Nation’s History and Future, by Newt Gingrich. Integrity Publishers, October 2006. ISBN 978-1-59145-482-3
Rick Santorum doesn’t have a corner on the market in believing there is a place for faith in the public square. I am pretty sure what santorum knows wouldn’t make a half-chapter in Newt’s book. WAKE UP SANTORUM SUPPORTERS! WAKE UP!!
Santorum: “I’m such a conservative”
Romney: “I’m a severe conservative”
Newt: “Here’s what we’re gonna do”


26 posted on 03/15/2012 12:31:20 AM PDT by true believer forever (If Newt is good enough for Sarah, he's good enough for me!)
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To: DoughtyOne
Better to pull out and look magnanimous, than stay in and wind up looking rather pathetic.

Pathetic is all the Sainted's soldiers goose-stepping along, thread-after-thread, demanding Newt get out. It goes back weeks and months, always banging the baggage drum on behalf of the unvetted one.

The reality is, at this juncture, it's essentially impossible to win against Romney outright, the non-Romney's can only stop him from clinching the nomination. With just 89% as many delegates as Romney among the three of them, that requires staying in because if one drops out, Romney benefits.

In my view, Newt needs to stay in because this country can ill afford the other clowns.

27 posted on 03/15/2012 12:32:14 AM PDT by newzjunkey (Santorum: 18-point loss, voted for Sotomayor, proposed $550M on top of $900M Amtrak budget...)
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To: newzjunkey

You are so right - it is soo hard to read at times among conservatives on a conservative forum of how many look over his voting record. I just can’t vote for him due to my convictions. I went through mental hell voting for McCain. Not again. Romney cannot be accepted at the convention. We all are going to have to keep up our protest and people need to start voting for Newt so he has more power on his side.


28 posted on 03/15/2012 12:35:22 AM PDT by Christie at the beach (I like Newt and would love to see political dead bodies on the floor.)
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To: Christie at the beach

They’ll never pay attention to his voting record, no matter how many facts you avalanche them with. Santorum is their anointed one, so their brains have long since turned off. It’s the same creepy zombie-like behavior we saw from Obama supporters.


29 posted on 03/15/2012 12:42:10 AM PDT by Utmost Certainty (Our Enemy, the State | Gingrich 2012)
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To: Christie at the beach

I am not a conspiracist, though I do have tendencies, but a friend of mine, on the ground all over in MS, on primary day, said they were sure Newt would win. He had their demographics, internal polling, county by county, newt’s turnout was high, though overall turnout was low, and Newt still lost. The Newt campaign is just as conservative and meticulous as Newt is about data, and they rarely are wrong. I didn’t get as much info about AL, but there numbers were generally very good. Till the night of the vote counting.

And in Tenn, where Newt’s state campaign chair and 2 other high tenn staffers, defected to rick the day before the vote... think about that - what could they do for Rick late in the day on the day before the vote. Newt’s TN polling had him winning, also. He never whines or bemoans this stuff, but I think the RNC and GOP are orchestrating a lot of this in certain states. A friend of mine said the TEnn campaign, headed by the santorum defectors, was inefficient and not aggressive, and did very little organizing, until the boots finally went on and did their own campaigns. My friend said his county went for Newt by 68%, and he was one of the chairs or guys, who supervised it all.

Newt is out there, and he’s got nobody helping him or making things easy for him. It must be awful. and awfully discouraging.


30 posted on 03/15/2012 12:43:01 AM PDT by true believer forever (If Newt is good enough for Sarah, he's good enough for me!)
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To: Christie at the beach

Wow, what a shame. This really ought to be publicized more.


31 posted on 03/15/2012 12:44:52 AM PDT by Utmost Certainty (Our Enemy, the State | Gingrich 2012)
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To: Utmost Certainty

http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2012/02/michigan-preliminary-exit-polls-suggest-increse-in-conservative-voters-plus-democratic-turnout-in-gop-primary/

ABC said dems were 10% in Michigan..I heard that other places, also.


32 posted on 03/15/2012 12:45:17 AM PDT by true believer forever (If Newt is good enough for Sarah, he's good enough for me!)
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To: true believer forever

Okay True Believer Forever, that was an interesting presentation. I have been watching interesting presentations of this nature for weeks now. So far I have been rather restrained in touching on what I have uncovered about Newt. Since even in defeat, Newt can’t quite seem to grasp that it’s over, and his supporters here are still trashing Santorum at will, I’m going to gather up things that I have become aware of and present them here.

I had hoped that you folks would take the hint and take a look around yourselves, but that seems to have been too much to ask.

I’ll be sure to link you in to what I present.

Take care.


33 posted on 03/15/2012 12:50:08 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Abortion? No. Gov't heath care? No. Gore on warming? No. McCain on immigration? No.)
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To: newzjunkey

Newzjunkey, if you would spend 1/100th of the time you folks spend digging up stuff about Rick Santorum, just nosing around even a little bit about Newt, you’d begin to notice you’ve been backing a man who is nothing like what you believe him to be.

I just told True Believer Forever that I am going to develop a post about Newt and link him to it. I’ll link you in too.

Until then, take care.


34 posted on 03/15/2012 12:54:16 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Abortion? No. Gov't heath care? No. Gore on warming? No. McCain on immigration? No.)
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To: DoughtyOne

Thanks. And I hope your presentation is worthwhile because, you may not know it, but Newt supporters have done their homework on Newt, to the point of distraction. We aren’t like Santorum supporters. don’t post any of the sleazy personal stuff, because santorum has a few skeletons in his closet, also. And we’ve been waiting to see how this plays out, also. Intellectual honesty, truth, balance, and context should win the day for you.


35 posted on 03/15/2012 12:54:30 AM PDT by true believer forever (If Newt is good enough for Sarah, he's good enough for me!)
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To: true believer forever

If you had any idea how “Intellectual honesty, truth, and balance” played into the creation you folks have fostered here about Newt, you’d be extremely embarrassed to have stated that.


36 posted on 03/15/2012 12:56:36 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Abortion? No. Gov't heath care? No. Gore on warming? No. McCain on immigration? No.)
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To: DoughtyOne

true believer is a her... :)


37 posted on 03/15/2012 12:56:41 AM PDT by true believer forever (If Newt is good enough for Sarah, he's good enough for me!)
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To: true believer forever

Okay, I’m sorry to have referred to you as a male. Thank you.


38 posted on 03/15/2012 12:58:45 AM PDT by DoughtyOne (Abortion? No. Gov't heath care? No. Gore on warming? No. McCain on immigration? No.)
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To: Utmost Certainty
I agree..been posting this for awhile now. You can see it

and also hear it on talk radio when they do call in. They sound

desperate at times and speaks as though he walks on water. Some are creepy. I knew it was going happen/when they told us they were only voting for him to stop Mitt/now, they are coming out full force to get him elected or as VP-w/o proper vetting. (emotional attachment becoming stronger) I like Rush but since he praised Rick, some of his supporters are in a cult state. It is a problem now and will be in the future (only worse) No wonder the left is happy/they are in control of picking our nominee. Some of Rick's supporters they don't understand if Newt were to leave, it's over..Newt is the only reason, we are holding Mitt back and the conservative ideas are being discussed (fuel prices, foreign affairs by Newt). The media knows Newt is more than qualified; they just are so ticked that their selection Romney has to be the choice, no one else at this time (unless it falls apart/then it's Jebs). What's going on.

39 posted on 03/15/2012 12:59:18 AM PDT by Christie at the beach (I like Newt and would love to see political dead bodies on the floor.)
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To: DoughtyOne

I would prefer as few adjectives as possible in your “presentation” keep it to facts, figures, verifiable, no anonymous sourcing, double sourcing if possible, linkies, no editing and nothing out of context.


40 posted on 03/15/2012 1:00:20 AM PDT by true believer forever (If Newt is good enough for Sarah, he's good enough for me!)
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