Posted on 03/15/2012 10:14:05 AM PDT by marktwain
Yes you misread the article referred to home, house and backyard. A look on google maps shows houses w/small lots and unattached and attached garages. It is a close spaced community.
Not for murder though, only for "violation of oath of office." I don't have time right now to get into the details, but they didn't get anywhere near what should have happened to them
Of course this piece isn't well written...or probably accurate. We have "accounts" of dogs barking in a yard...( Which would maybe say...and fenced yard..and maybe a home??? ) Or these are chained dogs in a "backyard" of an apartment house??? Some "witnesses" are calling their apartment a "house/home"??, which is not unusual.
OR...the police are changing their stories?? OR...it's just horrible reporting??
I dunno what happened here....and we probably never will.
In June of 2006, the SWAT team, and 4 cops shattered my front door, cuffed me, and put me on the floor. They were looking for the former owner of the house (I had foreclosed on it).
The front door had a vertical window six feet long, so they could see me walking slowly to the door. I was wearing shorts, and no shirt, so they could readily see that I was unarmed.
They ransacked the house, leaving my belongings all over the floor in every room.(I didn’t find this out until later, as I was cuffed and left on the cold floor for 20-30 minutes).
When the dolts finally realized that:
1) The former owner wasn’t there.
2) There were no drugs in the house
3) Ran a background check on me, and I was perfect.
they checked my arms for needle tracks, then asked me if I was hiding the former owner.
I could go on and on. They finally left, tails tucked between their legs. The one female cop(observer) told me “ They could see you through the glass....I don’t understand why they broke in”
6 cop cars.... 10 officersto arrest a 5 foot 7, 130 lb. “Barney Fife”
who no longer lived there. Any half-wit could have done a tiny bit of judicious research, and found that out, but that would have deprived them of all their fun!
I should have sued the SOB’s....I just made them pay for the damage.
They just saw Act of Valor and wanted to play “dress up”.
Bunch of wannabe special operators. I’m waiting for these faux operators to try that crap on a real one and see what payback is all about
So stupid it’s baffling. Give me 5 guys, two vans, some comms, and zip ties and you can just about capture any of these punks. Then in a calm manner , turn off water, electricity and jam cell phones and wait the punk’s family or house mates out and search the place. But the junior, mall cop rejects want to wear balaclavas, pretty pretty face paint and pretend they’re special operators.
How ‘bout joining the navy, take some nice swimming lessons off Coronado and EARN the right to be a special operator. Or even something as mundane as what I did. Go to camp Pendleton and get MOS 0326 while playing around in Ft Benning, panama City and Yuma. Hahahahaha. It’s all coming to a head with these militarized local yokels.
I was basing that off of this passage: “Simpson said this morning that as police prepared to approach an apartment to execute a search warrant that a man from a nearby apartment emerged with a handgun.”
From the pictures of the victim’s house, it doesn’t look like it is a single family residence. Yards aren’t fenced, and are probably communal propert. It looks like an apartment type layout - central sidewalk leading to multiple buildings.
So the cops using the backyard is a little more understandable (but why wouldn’t you let folks know what’s going down in order to avoid something like this?)
What I can’t see is if each of these buildings has a central hallway from front to back with individual apartments off of that hallway (the picture with the car parked by the door seems to say ‘No” - but how did that car get there? Were is it in the other photo?). But that’s the only thing that can avoid the conclusion that at least one LEO was WAY out of line.
One thing I can say with complete confidence - this is a HORRIBLY written story. More clarity, better photos would inform the public. Doesn’t the phrase about the LEO walking through the house just scream for more information? A mildly competent reporter would provide that information, so we aren’t left to speculate how it is that a policeman walks uninvited though somebody’s home. If the LEO did, indeed, walk through the kitchen and living room to get from the back to the front as the story implies - wouldn’t this be the FIRST question even a minimally qualified reporter would ask the police: “What was an officer doing inside that house without invitation or warrant?” This piece seems intended to imflame.
“While Sgt. Pete Simpson said early today ‘there was an exchange of gunfire,’’ police said later this afternoon that detectives have not determined if Flores-Haro fired any shots at police. Police also said that the officers ‘repeatedly identified themselves as law enforcement officers.’ “
I’m no lawyer, but just claiming to be a police officer doesn’t change the fact that the 4th Amendment was set on fire in this case. Police can’t just run rough shod through someone else’s property because they feel like it.
Would it have killed them to simply ask first ? I mean, after all, the US Military often warns civillians that a bombing raid is on its way. Don’t American citizens deserve the same treatment ?
I’m a “tough on crime” guy and I often donate to help the families of police officers killed in the line of duty, but if the police are wrong in a case, they’re wrong.
Goog ping!
PS-— Thanks for the new wallpaper!
I didn't misread the article....but the article really sucks for facts.
Thanks for the map.........
The difference between attempted murder and murder is simply a matter of competence, not intent. I think they should be treated the same - I don’t think the guy who tried to kill someone is less dangerous than the guy who did.
Far too many of these "isolated incidences" going on.
Apparently you and I are seeing the same things..........
You are right the article quoted police as calling them apartments, but the reporter and residents call them houses. A close up view on google shows houses with garages.
Really, the way to stop that crap is to make the “searching” (ransacking) officers all return to your home, unarmed and in civilian clothes, to put everything back in order under your supervision. If I were their CO I would suspend them without pay until this was accomplished.
Just ask yourself - if it was the governor’s home, and they had reason enough for a warrant, do you think they would have treated the governor’s belongings the same way?
Even if they KNOW the person is guilty, there is no need to trash a house just to “find evidence”. In fact, such methods most likely destroy more evidence than they discover. They only do it because it displays authority and control over the owner, and because they can.
I suppose gunning a citizen down on his own property could be considered negotiation, on some planet, somewhere.
Really, so if there are actual dead bodies, as opposed to "Allegations of attempted murder", you see them as the same? I don't think so, and neither do our courts.
My point was the other poster implied this involved a, "Murderer", when it did not.
Dude, you have got to try some real rum sometime. May I recommend Appleton XII? Wonderful stuff...
Yes I saw that also. I do not know of to many apartments that have attached and unattached garages. A close up view on google shows the garages. I think this is one of the planned communities that have either townhomes or condos, does not look like apartments to me.
I'd make 'em pay, too but it wouldn't be money.
You mean - “Allegations of murder” as opposed to “allegations of attempted murder”? Yes, I think they are the same. What are we judging/punishing, the guys competence or his intent? Morally they are the same. End result - I hope that anybody that intends to murder me is incompetent, but I want him put away for good so he can’t practice and try again with greater competence and different results.
I KNOW the courts don’t see it that way - if the courts saw it that way, I wouldn’t have made my commmnt.
I KNOW why you posted your original - I just commented on your making a distinction between the two.
“Just ask yourself - if it was the governor’s home, and they had reason enough for a warrant, do you think they would have treated the governor’s belongings the same way?
Even if they KNOW the person is guilty, there is no need to trash a house just to “find evidence”. In fact, such methods most likely destroy more evidence than they discover. They only do it because it displays authority and control over the owner, and because they can.”
Exactly!
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