Posted on 03/17/2012 4:12:31 AM PDT by BroJoeK
Nor was Ben Wade a Marxist. I cannot recall any statements made by Wade about the labor theory of value---which, by the way, is the single defining element of all Marxism, socialism, communism.
Government has no right to control individual liberty beyond what is necessary to the safety and well-being of society. Such is the boundary which separates the power of government and the liberty of the citizen or subject in the political state.
You are delusional.
Point out the errors or lose the attitude.
Secession wasn’t “a well thought out solution”, it didn’t deliver “totally positive consequences”.
As of Lincoln’s first day, the states with slaves had hadn’t “disappeared from his per view”, largely or any other way.
The political opponents hadn’t withdrawn.
The Southern states weren’t asking for peace.
The Davis government weren’t issuing offers of reimbursement for federal facilities.
Trade wasn’t continuing.
The banks weren’t prospering.
Shipping wasn’t continuing without any violence.
People were traveling. - I’ll give you that one although from the moment the fire-eaters had there way travel became more and more perilous.
“All was well”. One would have to be completely delusional - or a liar - to believe that.
It's not wrong to say that egalitarianism came in with Jackson, and that kind of egalitarian or democratic or populist attitude as been as common in the South (within the given racial or ethnic constraints of the day).
So Calhoun's belief that people aren't born free, and aren't endowed by their creator with certain inalienable rights, and don't have equal rights to liberty provides the "the fundamental concept of liberty and its total underpinning of government"? Strange. Bizarre.
I recognize that there are complexities here (technically free men aren't born, dependent children are; freedom has to be fought for and won, and can be lost if one is unworthy of it; etc), but in no way is Calhoun a friend of human rights or liberty as most of us understand it today.
King Lincoln's second coronation speech affirms that, by his own words.
There had to be a war about slavery because, and only because the slave power wanted a war about slavery. Noone else wanted a war about slavery.
Certainly Brazil, New Jersey, New York, the Northwest Territories, various northern states got rid of slavery without a war.
My considered opinion is that slavery by birth was unconstitutional, due to the federal constitution’s provision that forbade ‘corruption of the blood’.
Recognition of that would have ended slavery peacefully in a generation. Of course not so many traitors would have been killed.
Secession had no legal standing. It was merely a mask for insurrection in support of slavery. Further, the southern call for 100,000 men was in part to seize territories and border states which had not pretended to secession.
Secession was a lie. Insurrection was a continuing problem. Slavery was the goal, and the 100,000 soldiers called for the the leaders of the insurrection were enslaved as surely as any negro.
Good point, and well put.
The orignal call to arms was met with volunteers on both sides
The Conscription Act of 1862 was enacted by the Confederate Government because at that time men were needed to fight in the war. Many men had volunteered when the American Civil War began. They thought the war would be over quickly at least in time for spring planting.
PeaRidge, if you continue to defend slavery in any way, shape or form, however surreptitiously, however sneakily, however slyly, I will recommend your posts be deleted, and you banned forever from FREE Republic, pal.
Yes, historically, slavery was legal and constitutional, but it is morally indefensible, especially on FREE Republic.
Don't go there, don't go anywhere near it.
I am glad that you agree that the pretended confederate government felt the need to enslave whites to fight for slavery.
PresidentKing Lincoln signed The Enrollment Act on March 3, 1863, requiring the enrollment of every male citizen and those immigrants who had filed for citizenship between ages twenty and forty-five. Federal agents established a quota of new troops due from each congressional district.
"Let those who are interested remember that labor is the only source of wealth, and how small a portion of it, in all old and civilized countries, even the best governed, is left to those by whose labor wealth is created" (Feb. 6, 1837). Marx himself didn't say it any better.
More? January 10, 1838, Calhoun repeated his defense of slavery as a "positive good": "Many in the South once believed that it was a moral and political evil; that folly and delusion are gone; we see it now in its true light, and regard it as the most safe and stable basis for free institutions in the world." Odd, given that almost all other "free institutions in the world" had already abolished slavery or were in the process of doing so.
Oh, and not to leave out the good old class struggle elements of Marx, Calhoun again: “It is useless to disguise the fact that there is and always has been in an advanced stage of wealth and civilization a conflict between labor and capital."
In fact, Calhoun completely agreed with the Virginian George Fitzhugh who called slavery the perfect example of communism because it "cared" for the "needs" of the enslaved.
Oh, gee, and how about this little Calhounian tidbit: He WROTE the "Tariff of Abominations." That's right, like Kerry, he voted for it before he voted against it.
It was the same, except that the pretended confederate government had no legitimacy, and was fighting that slavery should be made permanent. By contrast the legitimate US government was fighting to put down an insurrection that intended to make human slavery permanent.
I would point out that Taney went beyond saying that state governments could abolish slavery, and asserted that Dred Scott’s being brought into a free state (which had abolished slavery) did not make him free, and if Dred Scott didn’t like that, he had no standing to sue, and there was no law that a white man had to obey when he was dealing with a black man.
A truly rotten decision.
The south did not believe in liberty and justice, rather believed in slavery, and inflicted it on blacks, and on whites who were coerced to guard what they were told was their betters’ slaves.
The National Rifle Association was created to assure black freedmen could have firearms with which to defend themselves from the Klan. The cowards of the Klan preferred to rape and murder the unarmed. The NRA limited their preferences.
Below are your comments:
As of Lincoln’s first day, the states with slaves had hadn’t “disappeared from his per view”, largely or any other way.
Wrong!
By February 1, 1861, the predominately slave states were all gone.
http://americanhistory.about.com/od/civilwarmenu/a/secession_order.htm
The political opponents hadn’t withdrawn.
Wrong!
January 21, 1861 - Withdrawal of Southern Congressmen. Members from the seceding states had designated January 21, as the day of their mass resignations.
http://www.thelatinlibrary.com/chron/civilwar.html
The Southern states weren’t asking for peace.
Wrong!
On March 12, 1861 the newly formed Congress of the Confederate States of America asked for peace.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confederate_States_peace_commission
The Davis government weren’t issuing offers of reimbursement for federal facilities.
Wrong!
The South offered twice to pay for property. Once in 1860
http://www.teachingushistory.org/pdfs/TranscriptionofLetterofcommissionerstopresident_000.pdf
and again in 1861
http://avalon.law.yale.edu/19th_century/csa_l022761.asp
Trade wasn’t continuing.
Wrong!
Every week ships entered Southern harbors to off load passengers and cargo. USMS Nashville, a steamer with passengers and cargo from New York was trading in Charleston all during the months from January to April of 1861.
http://myathenaeum.com/simpson/page194.html
The banks weren’t prospering.
Wrong!
From 1850 to 1860, the growth of banking and numbers of loans doubled.
The same trend occurred between 1859 and 1860
http://eh.net/encyclopedia/article/bodenhorn.banking.antebellum
Shipping wasn’t continuing without any violence.
Wrong!
Shipping was continuing
The Confederate government then passed a further resolution on February 26th, which repealed “all laws which forbid the employment in the coasting-trade of vessels not enrolled or licensed, and all laws imposing discriminating duties on foreign vessels or goods imported in them.”
By these actions, the Confederacy clearly displays their most fervent wish that the ongoing dispute between the States be resolved peacefully and without a disruption in trade along the Mississippi or any other trade route.
Just consider yourself a poorly uninformed poster that probably does not care about his ignorance.
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