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Family: Man didn't kill black teen in self-defense
AP ^ | 03/17/2012 | By MIKE SCHNEIDER Associated Press

Posted on 03/17/2012 9:53:56 AM PDT by redreno

SANFORD, Fla. (AP) -- Calls made to police show that a black teenager was terrified as he tried to get away from the white neighborhood watch volunteer who shot him, and that the volunteer was not defending himself as he has claimed, the teen's family told The Associated Press on Saturday.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Extended News; News/Current Events; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: banglist; florida; georgezimmerman; hatecrime; murder; race; secondamendment; selfdefense; trayvonmartin
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To: rogue yam; Mariner
So what if Zimmerman approached Martin with his weapon concealed and simply asked whether Martin lived nearby and in response to this Martin rushed Zimmerman and started punching him in the face?

If that was the case, would it be murder for Zimmerman to draw his weapon and defend himself?


Why are you introducing hypotheticals that have absolutely no relevance to the case at hand? We're talking about Skittles and Arizona Iced Tea. Zimmerman is by all accounts the one who did not follow proper procedure for anyone involved in a neighborhood watch. It's called "watch" for a reason, not "neighborhood confront."
41 posted on 03/17/2012 1:54:50 PM PDT by aruanan
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To: marstegreg

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Any word on the White kid who was set on fire while a groups of black teens were yelling for him to die?
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The liberal elite press does NOT care about the white child set on fire.

Want to see the elite media talk when there’s an undercover conservative in the room ? Check out the link:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBFOmUXR080


42 posted on 03/17/2012 1:55:42 PM PDT by GOPJ (Democrat-Media Complex - buried stories and distorted facts... freeper 'andrew' Breitbart)
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To: GOPJ

Not sure about the kid, but the shooter has been in trouble with the law...


43 posted on 03/17/2012 2:01:54 PM PDT by stormer
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To: aruanan
Why are you introducing hypotheticals that have absolutely no relevance to the case at hand?

I introduced one set of hypotheticals in response to a post by Mariner where he introduced other hypotheticals. And the issue of self defense is plainly relevant to the case at hand. Mariner called Zimmerman a murderer but it isn't murder if it is self-defense.

BTW, idiots and liars are talking about the Skittles. Honest intelligent people are talking about the fistfight that occurred before the shooting and asking who started it.

44 posted on 03/17/2012 2:03:50 PM PDT by rogue yam
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To: stormer
There are white gang members, white teenage criminals, white losers - we have them too. Sometimes white losers get shot. Sometimes innocent whites get shot. It's why we have a court system - to sort the innocent from the guilty.

Have you EVER in your life heard of a white neighborhood up in arms about some white criminal being shot? Either by the police or by someone defending themselves? Never. We don't stand with criminals.

I don't know the facts here - but I know the MSM isn't telling much of the story...and what's being told reeks of bias.

What was the 'teen' doing in that neighborhood? Was he visiting a friend? If he was, that should be in the story.

The police looked into the situation and decided NOT to arrest the man who shot him. Why was that done?

Did the teen have an arrest record? This isn't a court of law - it's the court of public opinion. I'd like to know if he's a criminal...

45 posted on 03/17/2012 2:11:37 PM PDT by GOPJ (Democrat-Media Complex - buried stories and distorted facts... freeper 'andrew' Breitbart)
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To: GOPJ
What does the race of any of the people involved have to do with anything? I certainly didn't bring it up. Here's an interesting snippet from http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/03/16/trayvon-martin-911-audio-_n_1354909.html?ncid=edlinkusaolp00000009

One (911) caller, a teenage boy, said that as he was walking his dog, "I saw a man laying on the ground that needed help. He was screaming."

Then, he told the operator, he heard a gunshot and said the screaming stopped.

Here's some more:

Zimmerman had been the subject of earlier complaints by residents of the gated community in which he and Martin's family lived. At an emergency homeowner's association meeting earlier this month, "one man was escorted out because he openly expressed his frustration because he had previously contacted the Sanford Police Department about Zimmerman approaching him and even coming to his home," a resident wrote in an email to HuffPost. "It was also made known that there had been several complaints about George Zimmerman and his tactics" in his neighborhood watch captain role.

It should slso be noted that the family of the victim lived in the gated community where this took place.

46 posted on 03/17/2012 2:21:26 PM PDT by stormer
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To: GOPJ

WOW! I am a bit of a news junkie ( Not the Chardonney sipping kind) and this is the first time I had heard about this. Thank you for sharing this with me. What an eye opener!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBFOmUXR080

I reposted your link. Thanks again!


47 posted on 03/17/2012 2:21:47 PM PDT by marstegreg
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To: stormer
Not sure about the kid, but the shooter has been in trouble with the law...

That's an important piece of information... Thanks for sharing. Many of us know the press always picks one side - not based on evidence - or fair play or justice - but on PC politics. And we tend to automatically take the other side...

More information is needed. Here's a link to why we don't trust the MSM:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBFOmUXR080

48 posted on 03/17/2012 2:23:01 PM PDT by GOPJ (Democrat-Media Complex - buried stories and distorted facts... freeper 'andrew' Breitbart)
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To: rogue yam
BTW, idiots and liars are talking about the Skittles. Honest intelligent people are talking about the fistfight that occurred before the shooting and asking who started it.

You know that question-begging is a fallacy, right?
49 posted on 03/17/2012 2:25:20 PM PDT by aruanan
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To: peeps36

A couple of women neighbors who lived together claimed they were witnesses, but it appears they only heard what happened through an open window. They say it had to be the kid screaming for help since the screaming stopped after the shot was fired. Of course, if the kid was dead, the shooter wouldn’t need help any longer. I can’t find the tapes anywhere. Anyone know where they are? Also, the kid was on suspension from school. The father refuses to say why. The picture they have of the kid appears to be when he was much younger. Maybe they don’t have a “nice” current photo. There is a Trayvon Martin facebook page with a thuggy looking kid, but I don’t know if that’s him or not.


50 posted on 03/17/2012 2:35:11 PM PDT by Krankor (eenie meenie, chili beanie, the spirits are about to speak.)
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To: aruanan; All
From comments on one of the articles, more information:

by andyinga March 13, 2012 3:22 PM EDT

This is not the real story. George called 911 to report a suspicious person. As he got off the phone the kid attacked him and started beating the crap out of him and slamming his head against the walkway. All the while saying “you’re gunna die tonight motherfxxxxx” George was screaming help when someone in a nearby apartment called 911 again. George’s shirt came up while the kid was beating him, revealing the gun that he is licensed to carry. The kid went for the gun and they struggled for it, George ended up shooting the kid and saving his own life. All these people on yahoo saying that he should be in jail when they don’t even know what happened. George is the brother-in-law of one of our good family friends, works with my parents, and is one of the nicest most gentle people you will ever meet. He’s completely devastated that this happened and has barely been functional from the guilt. No one shoots someone for no reason, and especially not George. And they need to stop pulling the race card, George is hispanic, not white.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_162-57396145-504083/fla-state-attorney-to-take-over-investigation-into-trayvon-martins-fatal-shooting-by-neighborhood-watch-leader/

51 posted on 03/17/2012 2:39:58 PM PDT by marktwain
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To: org.whodat; All

Here is another thread where we discussed this on freerepublic previously.

Trayvon Martin was on a week’s suspension from his High School, and a stranger at the gated community.

All the police investigation has said that the physical evidence is consistant with Mr. Zimmerman’s claims of self defense.

Zimmerman was bleeding from the face and back of the head when the police arrived. Zimmerman says that he was yelling for help and no one would help him.

It is very difficult to make up a story that is consistent with the physical evidence when the encounter occured in darkness and the police were there within minutes.


52 posted on 03/17/2012 2:45:06 PM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain
And they need to stop pulling the race card, George is hispanic, not white.

Hispanic is not a race. There are black Hispanics (eg, many Dominicans), white Hispanics (eg, many Chileans), and Indian Hispanics (eg, many Mexicans).
53 posted on 03/17/2012 2:46:33 PM PDT by aruanan
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To: aruanan
Hispanic is not a race. That is, of course, correct. But the race card being played is that a white guy killed a black kid out of racism.

If the other party is another approved minority, hispanic, then the race card loses a lot of its power.

54 posted on 03/17/2012 3:02:54 PM PDT by marktwain
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To: aruanan

What I wrote is not an example of question-begging.


55 posted on 03/17/2012 3:15:01 PM PDT by rogue yam
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To: marktwain
Really, In a gated subdivision. Did the shooter know the guy was a criminal class skipper, try bring that after the fact BS up in court.
56 posted on 03/17/2012 3:16:26 PM PDT by org.whodat
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To: MtBaldy

Would this guy have shot you or me if we didn’t comply with his demands? I wouldn’t react kindly to some guy trying to detain me while I was walking down the street minding my own business. I don’t know if he put his hands on the teen, I was just thinking about what I would do in that situation.


57 posted on 03/17/2012 3:24:53 PM PDT by peeps36 (America is being destroyed by filthy traitors in the political establishment)
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To: WeatherGuy
Nobody knows who was the person that was actually screaming on the tape. It could have been Zimmerman.

Do the tapes say "Oh My God, He's coming right at me!"?

All witnesses say it was a young sounding voice.

58 posted on 03/17/2012 3:34:40 PM PDT by Oztrich Boy (This world is a comedy to those that think, a tragedy to those that feel - Horace Walpole)
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To: marktwain
This is not the real story. George called 911 to report a suspicious person. As he got off the phone the kid attacked him and started beating the crap out of him and slamming his head against the walkway. All the while saying “you’re gunna die tonight motherfxxxxx” George was screaming help when someone in a nearby apartment called 911 again. George’s shirt came up while the kid was beating him, revealing the gun that he is licensed to carry. The kid went for the gun and they struggled for it, George ended up shooting the kid and saving his own life.

Impossible! My local news just put up a kindergarten graduation picture of a smiling Trayvon all dressed in white. He looks like an angel.

Seriously, I don't know exactly what happened, and most people who've made up their minds don't either. I do believe that this is really going to be a full out assault on gun rights being waged by the Democrats and other assorted scum regardless of the truth.

59 posted on 03/17/2012 3:37:38 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: org.whodat; All

It was previously brought up that Zimmerman had problems earlier, so I thought it was just as relevant that Martin had problems ongoing.

We do not know what those problems consisted of.


60 posted on 03/17/2012 3:37:44 PM PDT by marktwain
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