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Smith: Marksmanship useful in more than shooting(GA)
onlineathens.com ^ | 16 March, 2012 | Loran Smith

Posted on 03/18/2012 5:42:10 AM PDT by marktwain

BOX SPRINGS — James Rutland, one-time hurdler at Georgia and later a successful high-school coach, handed me an air rifle — a Red Ryder Daisy model with no sights — and said that before the afternoon was over, he would have me hitting a penny with the BB gun.

At the outset, I had difficulty hitting golf-ball — and baseball-sized plastic balls that lay motionless on the ground. And he is going to have me shooting a penny out of the air! Even I didn’t believe that was possible. However, he had more confidence in me than I had in myself. This is a man who knows his business like no other.

As he worked with a smooth and encouraging voice and cogent teaching style, I had the thought that if he were a golf professional and taught with comparable success, he would become a very rich man.

In just over an hour, there was a marked improvement in shooting skill. “Hit that blue ball right behind the red one,” James instructed. I missed. “Now aim at the white one right behind the yellow one.” This time I shot straight and true, and the white ball jumped up a couple of inches and rolled away. Then he tossed a round medal medallion, about the size of a drink coaster, in the air, and the misses stretched past a dozen. Made you feel incompetent. “Find it and shoot it,” he coaxed gently. “You are shooting under the target. If that object were a quail, try to shoot the top of its head.” Suddenly there was a succession of pings, as the BBs bounced off the medallion. Then he threw up an aspirin about the size of a quarter. It took a few misses before my BB pellet smacked the aspirin

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Georgia
KEYWORDS: banglist; ga; quickshoot; rutland
This is the quick kill system developed by Lucky McDaniel. It was extensively taught to US soldiers during the Vietnam war.

I had this instruction, and it works well for very quick shots very close.

1 posted on 03/18/2012 5:42:17 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain

Those of us that have been shooting conventional archery have been doing this for years.


2 posted on 03/18/2012 5:48:41 AM PDT by Dusty Road
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To: marktwain
I had the instruction also during the same period...it works (if it didn't, I wouldn't be typing this0.

I've never forgotten those lessons and I practice them even today.

3 posted on 03/18/2012 5:51:46 AM PDT by and so? (If it angers you, a sarcasm or irony tag after everything I post should be assumed)
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To: marktwain

First...Listening to the dawgs just isn’t the same without Larry growling “Loran...Whaddya Got?” followed by the smooth voice of Loran giving a sideline report.

Regarding the article..like most other Georgia boys I started out with a Daisy pump. In order to move up into the adult world of the .22LR...one had to display responsibility along with enough marksmanship to not be “That Kid” who got outshot by girls.

My father taught me the responsibility and general skills part. My only other form of instruction to me and several other country boys was a certain WW2 vet whose hard upringing in Tennessee forced those who wanted to eat meat how to shoot.

He taught us basics like the difference between aiming in long range and short range shots. How to relax and breathe while waiting for that squirrel head to pop around that tree so the .22LR would hit true. How to breathe and relax when that first deer found our sights.

Those lessons served us well just like they served him well from France to Germany.


4 posted on 03/18/2012 5:59:04 AM PDT by Vigilantcitizen
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To: marktwain

Interesting stuff.

Some links I found in trying to learn more:

http://www.i-kirk.info/misc/quickkill/qwikill.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lucky_McDaniel

http://www.pointshooting.com/1aqkrif.htm

The books I could find on Lucky McDaniel are all out of print and bringing quite high prices used on eBay and Amazon.


5 posted on 03/18/2012 6:46:03 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: Travis McGee

I’m thinking you might know a thing or two about this sort of stuff.


6 posted on 03/18/2012 6:47:02 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: marktwain
an aspirin about the size of a quarter.

Don't think I could get that down unless I shot it.

7 posted on 03/18/2012 6:49:20 AM PDT by TangoLimaSierra (To the left the truth looks Right-Wing.)
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To: marktwain
When I was 14, purchased an Army Store LR .22. I practised arcmanship at a quarter mile or more with a non-reticled 90X telescope mounted on the rifle to see how close I could get to a groundhog without hitting him. After a couple summers, I could predict the arc by locking in the vertical axis and doing a quick intutive elevation without using the sight. I could hit the ground hog mound within 2 or 3 inches of the hole or near the ground hog with 2 shots. The brain can calculate the arcs automatically. -

Then I taught my 8 -year old brother to do the same thing- He could hardly hold the rifle up.

My ``so called friends`` would say ``Hello`` by arcing their 30-30`s from 200 feet below me and 1/4 mile away or so in the valley below and pop apples off the trees over our heads while we were walking thru our orchard.

Another `friend`` would greet us as we walked thru the pass by blowing bark of the tree we were passing with his 30-30, splattering us with splinters.

Most of us here, even my sister, are marksmen since our youth. We could tell who was shooting by the sound of the gun usually.

Later on they would ask us how many apples they hit. We did this all for fun. No one ever was hit.

One of our ``apple`` friends got the Congressional Medal of Honor in Vietnam for saving his platoon by holding off VC`s and killing 40 of them from atop an APC firing a 50 cal from his hip. But he`s still a little crazy now from it all.

8 posted on 03/18/2012 6:55:29 AM PDT by bunkerhill7 (Bullets arc????? ?? Who knew?)
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To: bunkerhill7

Thank you for these shooting stories. I grew up in Cnada with similar friends. We also liked shooting long range targets floating in lakes, using iron sights.After a while you knew just where to hold.And then you got to be natural with it at long range anywhere.


9 posted on 03/18/2012 7:03:39 AM PDT by Candor7 (Obama fascist info.. http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html)
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To: marktwain

I remember that, he could shoot a cotton ball out of a washer that had been tossed in the air. I still quick shoot and am very accurate.


10 posted on 03/18/2012 7:06:10 AM PDT by ABN 505
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To: marktwain

How can I get this instruction?


11 posted on 03/18/2012 7:10:06 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Shut up and drill.)
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To: marktwain

James Rutland is a fantastic teacher. His techniques are very simple and effective in building the skills and confidence even in very experienced shooters.


12 posted on 03/18/2012 7:31:53 AM PDT by Stonewall1
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To: Candor7
But now NY State passed laws that do not allow us to shoot guns on the farm anymore. Bur we don`t give a dam and shoot anywhere coz the local cops we grew up with know our families have being doing it for 250 years here and we ain`t gonna stop now. The local cops are mountain boys who know these ``state laws`` are wallied in the legislature by the NY city city slickers. Now the town board is copying California and is gonna pass a law without referendum that says they can come on our farm anytime they want without a warrant and inspect all our property if it isn`t painted the color they want. So ther is a revolt brewin` here.

APA and NYS DEC also tried the same thing and got sued in court and lost.

This also happened in the 1930`s when fed revenooers trespassed on the farms here looking for hooch without warrants and were all driven of with rocksalt shotguns. They never bothered people here again.

NY State Constitution:

``§12. The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

``Note: Under New York law, any property that is posted, fenced or gated, no matter how secluded, is protected private property. The unauthorized entry on to such property by anyone, including DEC staff, will constitute trespass. It should also be noted that regulatory inspections should be conducted in a manner that is reasonable. Under the holding of Flacke v. Onondaga Landfill Sys. (127 Misc2d 984 [Sup. Ct. Onondaga County 1985], affd 177 AD2d 992 [4th Dept. 1986] rev'd on other grounds 69 NY2d 863 [1987]), overly frequent inspections of the same site may be deemed unreasonable and give rise to claims of harassment.

13 posted on 03/18/2012 7:38:49 AM PDT by bunkerhill7 (Bullets arc????? ?? Who knew?)
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To: marktwain

Quick kill and night fire have stayed with me all these years. I’m teaching my wife the same way, with a BB gun.


14 posted on 03/18/2012 7:48:52 AM PDT by wizr (Keep the Faith, no matter what. "Worry is practical atheism." - Robert Mounce)
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To: Vigilantcitizen

Yep, growing up in Louisiana and starting with my Red Ryder BB gun and learning about bullet trajectory watching the bb arc in at longer distances...and shooting black birds when the flocks flew in. Then moving up to .22’s and Mom buying a brick of ammo a week to keep me going. Paid off after all the years of military then after military duties. Who’d a thunk? Keeping the tradition going....


15 posted on 03/18/2012 7:55:37 AM PDT by sandboxshooter (Iraq, Afghanistan, War)
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To: wizr

I was taught quick Kill at Ft Polk in ‘67 I showed my sons ...I tell people we used BB guns in the army and they just roll their eye’s...


16 posted on 03/18/2012 7:57:58 AM PDT by jrd (DO AWAY WITH THE EPA)
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To: FreedomPoster

I have a slide action BB rifle. The action is a little sloppy, but IMHO, it is quicker and easier than the lever action.

I’m open to arguments, or instructions, except where to put it.


17 posted on 03/18/2012 7:58:34 AM PDT by wizr (Keep the Faith, no matter what. "Worry is practical atheism." - Robert Mounce)
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To: bunkerhill7
what law says you can't shoot on a farm anymore and when was it passed???

not that it makes any difference as we do it anyway but i'd still like to know

thx...

18 posted on 03/18/2012 8:07:56 AM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Lazamataz

This looks interesting Laz. Ping me if you find anything else.

http://www.amazon.com/Instinct-Combat-Shooting-ebook/dp/B00440DONC


19 posted on 03/18/2012 8:08:39 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: jrd

You need to send them that first link in my #5, and tell them to quit rolling their eyes.


20 posted on 03/18/2012 8:13:58 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: marktwain

You can use a lot of the techniques from marksmanship for shooting free throws in basketball.


21 posted on 03/18/2012 8:20:21 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: Vigilantcitizen
"not be “That Kid” who got outshot by girls"

I'm ashamed to say... I'm one of those guys. My wife is one of those girls... She is a natural at it. The woman can hit 12" gongs (consistently) at 250 yards on a beat up old Nagant with iron sights... I kid you not. I think she could likely do even better, but I don't have a place to shoot beyond 250. You should see what she can do with the 40x !

I can't even SEE 250 yards anymore; I'm helpless without optics these days.

22 posted on 03/18/2012 8:46:00 AM PDT by FunkyZero (... I've got a Grand Piano to prop up my mortal remains)
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To: marktwain

The Army continued that instruction into the post-Viet Nam era. I experienced it as part of ROTC Advanced Camp at Fort Riley KS in 1976. We only got a short course and I wish I could have experienced the course described in the article.


23 posted on 03/18/2012 8:51:21 AM PDT by T-Bird45 (It feels like the seventies, and it shouldn't.)
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To: jrd

I was at The Land that God Forgot, Fort Ord, 2/68. My memory isn’t that good any more, but I think we were using M14’s or carbines. Could be wrong.


24 posted on 03/18/2012 8:52:05 AM PDT by wizr (Keep the Faith, no matter what. "Worry is practical atheism." - Robert Mounce)
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To: marktwain

That is why most target shooting handgunners will be at a disadvantage in a up close shoot out.

To point and shoot quickly without sighting is a most handy thing to learn. If practiced enough, will allow one to hit moving objects in darkness if can just catch a glimpse of target.

If you can swiftly point with your finger at an object and be on, just think of the barrel as your finger.

Practice, practice, practice, until it becomes a natural reaction without even thinking.


25 posted on 03/18/2012 8:52:53 AM PDT by Sea Parrot (One, thinks he was great prez)
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To: bunkerhill7

Sounds like very stupid friends to me, JMMHO.


26 posted on 03/18/2012 8:57:11 AM PDT by Sea Parrot (One, thinks he was great prez)
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To: sandboxshooter

My mother made me my first slingshot at about age 6 and showed me how to shoot it. That was about 67 years ago. I fast graduated to killing rabbits, squirrels and birds. I put meat on the table when it was a most scare commodity.

I still make and shoot slingshots to this day. To learn range estimation, keep eye on the target, to pull and release in one smooth motion without even thinking about it.

IMO, nothing is equal to becoming proficient with a slingshot and what learned will serve one well when it comes to firearms.


27 posted on 03/18/2012 9:15:45 AM PDT by Sea Parrot (One, thinks he was great prez)
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To: Lazamataz

Here is a start in that direction:

http://www.instinctshooting-quickkill.com/pages/method.html


28 posted on 03/18/2012 9:50:49 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain

If you lived in Georgia, we coulda met and you coulda showed me. :(


29 posted on 03/18/2012 10:00:55 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Shut up and drill.)
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To: sandboxshooter

I got my first BB gun at 6. When I was 9 I had co-opted my father’s model 67 Winchester .22 single shot, bolt action rifle that he paid $7.50 for new. To me it’s the most valuable firearm I own.


30 posted on 03/18/2012 10:37:54 AM PDT by duffee (NEWT 2012)
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To: duffee

We could start a whole thread on legacy .22 rifles.

I have a Springfield 84-C that is just a wonderful gun.


31 posted on 03/18/2012 10:48:59 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: Lazamataz

I understand that a lot of women like to go shooting and to be instructed.


32 posted on 03/18/2012 10:57:50 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain

Very interesting. I love learning about the different methods of marksmanship. For anyone interested in learning marksmanship and a little American history, I highly recommend attending an Appleseed Project weekend in a town near you. You can search for an upcoming event at the site.

33 posted on 03/18/2012 10:58:13 AM PDT by rabidralph
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To: Chode
``It is unlawful to discharge a firearm within five hundred feet from a dwelling house, farm building or farm structure actually occupied or used, school building, school playground, or occupied factory or church.``

``It is unlawful to willfully discharge any firearm either in a public place, or in any place where there is any person to be endangered thereby.``

``Generally, it is unlawful for anyone under the age of 16 to possess any firearm; however, a rifle or shotgun may be possessed by a person between 12 and 16 who is engaged in target shooting on a range supervised by a military officer, certified instructor, or a parent, guardian or a person over the age of eighteen designated in writing by such parent or guardian provided the adult has a hunter safety certificate.``

http://www.nyfirearms.com/blog/nys-gun-laws/

[In 1957 you could buy a rifle when you were 14. So this is another restriction from what was practised. My mother, who is 93, was plinking rats behind the local grocery store when she was 12. She got paid a nickel per rat.

My cousin was firing his father`s .22 English sniper rifle when he was 8 years old plinking rats at the town dump with his father. Thus you can see the infringements upon the Second Amendment as it was practiced for 230 years here and has only changed since 1970(?). I do not know the dates of these laws.]

Our farm is 40 acres. We used to shoot apples, cans, offa logs etc for target practice here since 1950`s. But now [same farm] if you shoot a .22 on the same farm, if it is heard by someone who doesn`t like guns, they will report you to the NY State Troopers, coz the local police already know and they had guns doing this when they were kids, so they don`t enforce this illegal unconstitutional law at all. So we go in the woods at night and target practice to prevent such harrassment except during hunting season...

34 posted on 03/18/2012 11:45:18 AM PDT by bunkerhill7 (Farmboys with no guns?????? ?? Who knew?)
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To: bunkerhill7
i thank you Sir... we shoot from the top of the barn loft and it's no 500' from the house
35 posted on 03/18/2012 11:47:48 AM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: FunkyZero

While my love cannot out shoot me...she can out ride me on the dirtbike and could prolly take me 8 out 10 wrasslin matches.


36 posted on 03/19/2012 1:54:09 AM PDT by Vigilantcitizen
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