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Gun that killed Florida teen was fired once not twice by crime watch volunteer
bostonherald.com ^ | 20 March, 2012 | Rene Stutzman and Bianca Prieto

Posted on 03/20/2012 7:08:27 PM PDT by marktwain

Edited on 03/20/2012 7:21:16 PM PDT by Sidebar Moderator. [history]

SANFORD, Fla. — The handgun that killed Trayvon Martin, an unarmed black 17-year-old, was fired once — not twice — by a neighborhood crime watch volunteer, according to new information obtained by the Orlando Sentinel.

Police found a single shell casing at the scene, and when they seized George Zimmerman’s handgun, a Kel Tel 9 mm, its magazine was full, according to a source close to the investigation. The only bullet missing was the one in the chamber, the source said.


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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: banglist; fl; florida; georgezimmerman; martin; trayvonmartin; zimmerman
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To: little jeremiah

[Holder’s getting involved. And a 17 year old isn’t a “child”.]

Yep. Wasn’t there a 12 or 14 year old tried for murder as an adult in FL recently?


181 posted on 03/21/2012 2:40:09 AM PDT by bjorn14 (Woe to those who call good evil and evil good. Isaiah 5:20)
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To: cport

...it is easy to walk by a house and see whats in there at night with the lights on, and no one to see you do it.
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Who, in their right mind, would leave front windows uncovered at night with the interior lights on so that anyone outside could view what was going on in the house?


182 posted on 03/21/2012 2:49:33 AM PDT by octex
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To: Josa

And how about the Knoxvill massacre where a young couple were kidnapped, raped, tortured for days then murdered by black thugs?
http://www.vdare.com/articles/the-knoxville-horror-crime-race-the-media-and-anti-racism

It was covered up by MSM. No outrage. No protests.
Authorities refused to lable it a hate crime.


183 posted on 03/21/2012 2:59:49 AM PDT by patriot08 (TEXAS GAL- born and bred and proud of it!)
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To: OldMissileer

“How could the magazine be full? If the trigger was pulled and the round fired, the slide would have cycled another round into the chamber. Thus, the magazine would have one less round and the chamber would be loaded again.”

They did say it was a Keltec, not one of the most reliable brands on the market. They don’t even make good trotline weights.


184 posted on 03/21/2012 3:03:20 AM PDT by Dusty Road
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To: yarddog

Save your money.


185 posted on 03/21/2012 3:11:29 AM PDT by Dusty Road
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To: Uncle Lonny

Thank you!


186 posted on 03/21/2012 3:20:23 AM PDT by Dusty Road
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To: IYAAYAS

When you shoot, the empty casing is ejected and a new round is inserted into place. At that point the mag is minus one round and not full. If one were to fire the weapon and then load one round into the mag then it might appear full.


187 posted on 03/21/2012 3:41:43 AM PDT by DainBramage
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To: bjorn14

The perp is 28. His victim is a minor ~ 17.


188 posted on 03/21/2012 4:57:45 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: DesertRhino

You keep referring to pointing a gun at someone. There is nothing in the 911 tapes that suggest he was pointing a gun. There is nothing to suggest he was being aggressive. There is evidence that he went to confront, but like trailerpark said, if confrontation is defined by “what are you doing” then why bother with a watch. You butress your arguement with facts not in evidence, unless a 911 tape can provide video as well as audio. The only place that he pointed a gun at him is in your head.


189 posted on 03/21/2012 5:05:48 AM PDT by cport (How can political capital be spent on a bunch of ingrates)
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To: Trailerpark Badass; All

“In any case, a law that permits someone to start a fight and then kill the person they attacked if the fight doesn’t go their way is insane and needs to be changed.”

“What evidence is there that Zimmerman started a fight. His head wounds?”

This is the crux of the matter. Up until the fight started, both parties did nothing wrong or illegal.

George Zimmerman says he was attacked. He has wounds and all the physical evidence says that he was.

Trayvon Martin’s parents say that Zimmerman attacked Trayvon. They were not there. Their evidence seems to be that Trayvon was black and 17, so he could not be the one who started the fight.

Everyone agrees that a fight occured.


190 posted on 03/21/2012 5:33:38 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain

If the pattern of leftist race baiting coverage of crime stands, we will not find out the truth from the media about this case. We will find out a lot of lies aimed at making a total monster of a “racist.” They make any one of their race targets look like their critical race theory stereotype.

The truth will come out in the trial through telephone recordings and testimony.


191 posted on 03/21/2012 5:59:06 AM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: exhaustguy

FRiend, I think the most likely scenario is Zimmerman is a low IQ nutball. But I have have personally seen the criminal element do the poor innocent me routine so I don’t totally discount that the kid was possibly up to no good. Regardless, it was not a good idea to chase him down and cap him based on only wild suspicions.


192 posted on 03/21/2012 6:02:57 AM PDT by lodi90
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To: marktwain

So what? The kid’s still dead, isn’t he? Zimmerman killed him. Who cares how many trigger pulls it took?


193 posted on 03/21/2012 6:03:24 AM PDT by wtc911 (Amigo - you've been had.)
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To: marktwain
Let me get this straight....

You are arguing that Martin was the threat to Zimmerman...in spite of the fact that Zimmerman is on tape stating that he was following the kid...that he continued to follow him after he was told not to...that he is on tape complaining that "they always get away" (who are 'they'...more 17 year old black kids?)...and that it was Zimmerman who had the gun.

Do I have it right?

I am absolutely sure that the kid's race has nothing to do with your truly idiotic premise.

194 posted on 03/21/2012 6:09:13 AM PDT by wtc911 (Amigo - you've been had.)
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To: BushCountry
Also, the boy was wearing a hood and racing from the store (the Hispanic man did not know why?)

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:Racing from the store"????

Please provide proof the Martin was "Racing from the store". Because, frankly, I think you made it up to fit whatever scenario you need to meet your needs on this.

195 posted on 03/21/2012 6:14:20 AM PDT by wtc911 (Amigo - you've been had.)
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To: faucetman

‘You are probably correct, but is there a law in Florida against being a “wannabe stud hero”?’

I think when you stalk someone...(the dispatcher told him not to follow the kid) and the kid is walking away from you (the kid is frightened, talking on phone to his girlfriend)...there ought to be a law against a neighborhood watch guy doing that.

This death was totally uncalled for.


196 posted on 03/21/2012 6:24:01 AM PDT by Dudoight
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To: editor-surveyor

“He was right to maintain surveilance, and you may be a nut case.”

The kid was a real danger, wasn’t he? Zimmerman knew that for sure, so he stalks the kid, then kills him. Brilliant.

You don’t like what I say...so I’m nuts. Glad you aren’t MY neighborhood ‘watch’ guy.


197 posted on 03/21/2012 6:28:02 AM PDT by Dudoight
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To: BOBWADE
He can be prosecuted if he was trying to unlawfully detain the guy but I wasn't there so I won't judge him or question his right to defend himself.

I don't question his right to defend himself either, but chasing someone around in a car and then getting out to confront them isn't 'defending' yourself. The legislator that created the 'stand your ground' law in Florida was on the radio this morning, and he said the law isn't intended to protect someone who pursues someone else and initiates a confrontation.

Florida's Republican legislature isn't about to remove this law from the books, but Zimmerman's actions are going to make it a lot harder for people in other states to get a 'stand your ground' law on their books.

198 posted on 03/21/2012 6:34:27 AM PDT by Gunslingr3
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Meanwhile, two state legislators who sponsored Florida’s “stand your ground” deadly-force law in 2005 called for George Zimmerman to be arrested for shooting Martin. “They got the goods on him. They need to prosecute whoever shot the kid,” one of the lawmakers, Republican former Sen. Durell Peaden told the Miami Herald. “He has no protection under my law.” His co-sponsor, current Rep. Dennis Baxley (R), told the paper: “There’s nothing in this statute that authorizes you to pursue and confront people, particularly if law enforcement has told you to stay put. I don’t see why this statute is being challenged in this case. That is to prevent you from being attacked by other people.”


199 posted on 03/21/2012 6:53:02 AM PDT by Gunslingr3
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To: Gunslingr3
Florida's Republican legislature isn't about to remove this law from the books, but Zimmerman's actions are going to make it a lot harder for people in other states to get a 'stand your ground' law on their books.

And that is the left's purpose in making such a big stink about this event. They don't like that people should have the ability to defend themselves against thugs and such, so they've taken a case where someone (allegedly) went beyond the law and twist it into an attack on the law itself.

Thugs hate armed citizens.

200 posted on 03/21/2012 6:55:48 AM PDT by meyer (Fluke - the new "F" word)
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