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Scarborough Brands Shooter Of Trayvon Martin A 'Murderer'
NewsBusters ^ | Mark Finkelstein

Posted on 03/21/2012 6:55:13 AM PDT by governsleastgovernsbest

It's not easy to make Al Sharpton appear relatively restrained in a racially-charged case such as the one involving the death of Trayvon Martin. But Joe Scarborough has managed to pull off the dubious feat. On today's Morning Joe, Scarborough flatly branded the reported shooter, George Zimmerman, a "murderer." It was no slip of the tongue. A couple minutes later, Scarborough declared that Zimmerman had "murdered" Martin.

Sharpton himself never used such language, generally describing Zimmerman as the "shooter," and even imagining, without endorsing, a scenario in which Zimmerman might have been acting in self defense.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: georgezimmerman; joescarborough; morningjoe; trayvonmartin
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1 posted on 03/21/2012 6:55:19 AM PDT by governsleastgovernsbest
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To: netmilsmom; Behind Liberal Lines; Miss Marple; an amused spectator; Diogenesis; MEG33; PGalt; ...

Presumption of innocence ping to Today show list.


2 posted on 03/21/2012 6:56:48 AM PDT by governsleastgovernsbest (FReepmail or ping me to be put on my ping list for criticism of liberal media)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

Why does no one seems to remember Al Sharpton’s role in the Twana Brawley hoax.


3 posted on 03/21/2012 7:00:02 AM PDT by The Great RJ ("The problem with socialism is that pretty soon you run out of other people's money" M. Thatcher)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

I heard the 911 tapes. They told him not to go after the kid. Who, by the way. Also had a presumption of innocence.


4 posted on 03/21/2012 7:00:29 AM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

More anti-white hysteria (though Zimmmerman could be said to be hispanic) from the old dying crazy media. Why there are any conservatives who actually respect the liberals in the media is beyond me?


5 posted on 03/21/2012 7:01:43 AM PDT by junta ("Peace is a racket", testimony from crime boss Barrack Hussein Obama.)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

I will go against the grain here and agree with Scarborough. All indications I have seen are that this was a good kid doing nothing wrong and this was not a justified killing. 99 out of 100 times, the race baiting is just that, but every one in awhile, it can be legitimate.


6 posted on 03/21/2012 7:02:19 AM PDT by wolfman23601
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To: wolfman23601

I also agree with Scarborough and don’t think it should be “going against the grain”. Zimmerman is clearly a POS who should rot.


7 posted on 03/21/2012 7:06:36 AM PDT by Flightdeck (If you hear me yell "Eject, Eject, Eject!" the last two will be echos...)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
On today's Morning Joe, Scarborough flatly branded the reported shooter, George Zimmerman, a "murderer." It was no slip of the tongue. A couple minutes later, Scarborough declared that Zimmerman had "murdered" Martin.

Dear George Zimmerman,

If you are exonerated, I know where you can get a lot of money, and I can recommend a few good lawyers.

Love,

Laz

8 posted on 03/21/2012 7:07:56 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Shut up and drill.)
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To: massgopguy
Saying we should refrain from calling someone a murderer before there is a trial (or even charges) is not the same as exonerating an accused.

I think a grand jury better be empaneled on this matter but I still wouldn't call Zimmerman a "murderer" yet.

9 posted on 03/21/2012 7:09:01 AM PDT by Tribune7 (GAS WAS $1.85 per gallon on the day Obama was Inaugurated! - - freeper Gaffer)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

In the old west a gun fight was ‘legal’ if it was a ‘fair fight’, i.e. both parties had to be armed.

If the kid was breaking into Zimmerman’s house - burn him down!

But to accost and shoot an unarmed 17 year old on a public street? I need to hear a better reason to take a life.


10 posted on 03/21/2012 7:09:14 AM PDT by LucianOfSamasota (Tanstaafl - its not just for breakfast anymore...)
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To: The Great RJ
Why does no one seems to remember Al Sharpton’s role in the Twana Brawley hoax.

Forget Tawana Brawley. Remember Sharpton's role in Freddies Fashion Mart killings.

12 posted on 03/21/2012 7:11:43 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act. - George Orwell)
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To: wolfman23601

This is big news in this part of Florida. I actually take exception to this Zimmerman character being called white. He looks more Hispanic to me, personally.

That aside, the hysterics are more around Florida’s “Stand Your Ground” law than the actual act, which is a tragedy. Neighborhood watch used to mean some concerned citizens patrolling their neighborhoods with radios and phones. See something, call the cops. It’s not see something, engaged suspicious target.

This guy sounded like he had a bloodlust and just picked some random black youth to blame.

Take the anti-gun messaging out of this story, and it’s possibly a hate crime; however, Mr. Zimmerman is still a citizen and still afforded the presumption of innocence.


13 posted on 03/21/2012 7:11:43 AM PDT by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: wolfman23601

For the MSM, you can be selective as to how you label people. Is Zimmerman an Hispanic or is he a non-Hispanic white? We label Obama black, which he prefers, but he is half-white.

So what kind of race baiting is going on?

14 posted on 03/21/2012 7:11:55 AM PDT by kabar
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To: governsleastgovernsbest; mickie
Swamp-fugitive Scarbro is just another garden-variety liberal media-hoe who's all about ratings and holding on to his job.

Being "edgy" no longer gets attention, so he goes full bore with macho inflammatory language in the forlorn hope he'll grab some attention and his few viewers might conclude he's really a guy.

Leni

15 posted on 03/21/2012 7:13:56 AM PDT by MinuteGal
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To: rarestia

If charged, he has the right to be presumed innocent in a court of law. He does not have the right to be presumed innocent by Scarborough or anyone else not in the jury.


16 posted on 03/21/2012 7:15:39 AM PDT by wolfman23601
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To: junta

I have had CC since 1996 he maybe guilty maybe not, he appears to not followed CC guidelines, ammunition for the left is what he provided.


17 posted on 03/21/2012 7:17:32 AM PDT by boomop1 (term limits is the only way to save this country.)
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To: junta

Watch the twists and turns now that everyone realizes the shooter is hispanic and not white.


18 posted on 03/21/2012 7:20:31 AM PDT by StevieRay20
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To: wolfman23601

I agree with you.


19 posted on 03/21/2012 7:20:57 AM PDT by windcliff
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To: wolfman23601

From everything I have read so far, it appears the shooter was at least wrong headed and this resulted in a tragedy. Turning this into a larger racial issue is a second tragedy. From what I read the shooter is hispanic, so this is an odd media flaming of discord between two minority groups.

There have always been idiots who style themselves vigilantes or some sort of special deputies. Elvis comes to mind. Police wannabes who like ordering people around and think they can be heros.


20 posted on 03/21/2012 7:21:17 AM PDT by Williams (Honey Badger Don't Care)
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To: wolfman23601
Race baiting and Obama voting is stupid ALL of the time
21 posted on 03/21/2012 7:23:49 AM PDT by texican01
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To: junta

Hispanics can be white.


22 posted on 03/21/2012 7:23:57 AM PDT by mkboyce
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Martin was on top of Zimmerman, beating him in the head.

That’s why no charges were filed.


23 posted on 03/21/2012 7:25:22 AM PDT by evets (beer)
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To: junta
More anti-white hysteria (though Zimmmerman could be said to be hispanic) from the old dying crazy media. Why there are any conservatives who actually respect the liberals in the media is beyond me?

You need to read up on the case a little more. Zimmerman appears to have stalked this kid and shot him for no reason other than thinking he was in the wrong neighborhood. They have the kid's last phone call up to the moment of the attack that pretty much nails Zimmerman as a killer. How the neighborhood let that loser on the Watch is beyond me.

24 posted on 03/21/2012 7:26:26 AM PDT by Sans-Culotte ( Pray for Obama- Psalm 109:8)
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To: rarestia

Something that I haven’t seen discussed is that what apparently made the kid look “suspicious” is that he was on foot, aside of course from being black.

I walk when I can rather than drive simply because I think we drive too much. Exercise, energy usage, etc. In an amazingly large percentage of the country it is almost impossible to walk safely, simply because of the way the roads are built.

Now we’re going to start shooting pedestrians for being “suspicious” characters?


25 posted on 03/21/2012 7:26:32 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Lazamataz

obviously NBC never learned from the 1996 olympics.


26 posted on 03/21/2012 7:27:28 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: rarestia
This guy sounded like he had a bloodlust and just picked some random black youth to blame.

It appears to be a little more complicated than that. Trayvon Martin's 911 Calls: New Tapes Trace Teen's Final Moments

27 posted on 03/21/2012 7:27:49 AM PDT by kabar
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To: Williams

From what I have read, I think the shooter crossed the line and was essentially stalking the guy and most likely escalated it. The victim may have thought the shooter was going to mug him and made a preemtive attack. I wouldn’t blame the kid for that.

This eyewitness report has been left out of every news story. This shows that the confrontation escalated into a full blown fight. It wasn’t just a vigilante walking up and shooting the kid.

Witness who called 911...

“The guy on the bottom, who had a red sweater on, was yelling to me, ‘Help! Help!’ and I told him to stop, and I was calling 911,” said the witness, who asked to be identified only by his first name, John.

John said he locked his patio door, ran upstairs and heard at least one gun shot.

“And then, when I got upstairs and looked down, the guy who was on the top beating up the other guy, was the one laying in the grass, and I believe he was dead at that point.”

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/dpp/news/seminole_news/022712-man-shot-and-killed-in-neighborhood-altercation#ixzz1phFMGCu4


28 posted on 03/21/2012 7:32:44 AM PDT by bigtoona
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To: Sherman Logan

I was doing a little walking in my neighborhood, doing some walking-laps on a side street, and some busybody has the temerity to stick his fool head out the door and yell, “Everything okay?”, but in a suspicious tone, not a helpful one.

I responded poorly. Instead of the “Just getting some exercise” answer, I should have yelled, “NO! The damned VOICES won’t shut UP, and I’ve already killed three of the babies! HEY! HEY YOU! COME HERE!!!!”


29 posted on 03/21/2012 7:35:26 AM PDT by Lazamataz (Shut up and drill.)
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To: evets

Of course the reason he was on top of him beating him in the head MAY have been that he feared for his life when approached at night by an armed man.

Had the kid shot Zimmerman in fear for his life, he might have had a decent defense under Stand Your Ground. It doesn’t seem reasonable that he should be presumed at fault because he wasn’t packing.

If the two grappled over the gun and Zimmerman got shot, the kid would have a very good case for self-defense, probably. It doesn’t seem a good idea to have laws in place that allow a killing to be judged self-defense regardless of which party survives.

I realize we have no-fault divorce now, but no-fault shooting probably isn’t a good idea.


30 posted on 03/21/2012 7:36:50 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: bigtoona

TY. It does raise the issue whether you can cause an unjustified fight, then find yourself on the bottom of the pile, and be justified to shoot your victim turned assailant.

I’m thinking that IF the shooter started the fight, shooting the victim because he gets the upper hand would be a continuation of the initial assault.

It’s much less clear if you merely confront the victim, he proceeds to whomp your butt, and in the middle of that fight you use your gun.

No matter what the appropriate charge, it certainly seems the shooter brought on a tragedy by being overly aggressive and ignoring police instructions.


31 posted on 03/21/2012 7:42:52 AM PDT by Williams (Honey Badger Don't Care)
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To: Sans-Culotte
Zimmerman appears to have stalked this kid and shot him for no reason other than thinking he was in the wrong neighborhood.

According to the tapes, Zimmerman called the police to come to the neighborhood because he spotted Martin who was acting suspiciously. Zimmerman mentioned that Martin was wearing a hoodie and had his hands in his waistband. Zimmerman opined that Martin had something he was hiding. The implication was that it could be a weapon. The police advised Zimmerman not to follow Martin and that they would meet with Zimmerman when they got there. Zimmerman agreed to meet with them and asked them to call him on his cell phone when they arrived.

It appears from the various tapes that there was some sort of altercation with both men wrestling on the ground. From reports that I have seen, Zimmerman is clearly the bigger man weighing 250 pounds to Martin's 140 pounds. It is clear from the tapes that someone is calling for help.

Based on this information, it is hard to see this as a premeditated murder. Zimmerman clearly acted out of bounds and should have followed the advice of the police and not confronted Martin. Until we know the details of what prompted the altercation, it is difficult to form any conclusive judgment on exactly how and why lethal force was used. It is a tragedy, but it is hard to classify it as a hate crime.

32 posted on 03/21/2012 7:43:19 AM PDT by kabar
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To: Sherman Logan

My brother and I used to walk down to the neighborhood 7-11 when we were kids without batting an eye. It was the nearest place to get candy and Slurpees without needing mom to drive us.

Keep in mind that this shooting occurred in the Orlando metro area, a cesspool if there ever was one. Aside from the Disney resort and properties, much of the Orange and Seminole county rural and suburban areas are dicey, at best. I don’t blame Zimmerman for carrying, esp. considering the sort of violence and gang garbage going on in that part of the Florida.


34 posted on 03/21/2012 7:51:31 AM PDT by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: kabar
Based on this information, it is hard to see this as a premeditated murder. Zimmerman clearly acted out of bounds and should have followed the advice of the police and not confronted Martin.

I don't think it was premeditated either. But it does appear to be an unnecessary death. I walk armed any time I walk, and frankly, when I see yutes in hoodies I stay extra vigilant. However, not all hoodie wearers are gangbangers.

I just think conservatives rallying around Zimmerman makes us look like the "Free Mumia" libtards.

35 posted on 03/21/2012 7:52:42 AM PDT by Sans-Culotte ( Pray for Obama- Psalm 109:8)
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To: rarestia

I don’t blame him for carrying. I blame him for confronting a guy without just cause. That’s probably what led to the fight and thus to the shooting.

CC is not a license to confront people on the street who you think are “suspicioius.” A good many around here think LEOs shouldn’t have that power, but certainly not everybody with a CC.


36 posted on 03/21/2012 7:54:55 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: kabar

There’s really nothing more here than some mall ninja without the will or physical acumen to run down a black kid who he deems suspicious. There was no weapon on his person according to all accounts, and Zimmerman used racial epithets to describe the kid/situation on the phone with the police, regardless of whether or not he wanted those epithets to be recorded.


37 posted on 03/21/2012 7:55:02 AM PDT by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
you would think Scarborough, who had someone die in his office, would be more sensitive of letting all the facts be heard before rendering judgment
38 posted on 03/21/2012 7:55:42 AM PDT by BookmanTheJanitor
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

Here’s what I don’t quite get. Apparently the shooter has not been charged with anything. Is this because the DA completed their inquiry and concluded that no crime had been committed, or is it because the inquiry is still ongoing?

If the former, then all I can say is “what were they thinking?” Meaning I can’t say for sure what happened, but I can’t say for sure that no crime has been committed. I’d let a jury make that determination.

If the latter, then I’d say “let the process run its course”. Meaning all this sound and fury is way premature.


39 posted on 03/21/2012 7:58:02 AM PDT by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
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To: Sans-Culotte

Why the anti-white hysteria?


40 posted on 03/21/2012 7:58:18 AM PDT by junta ("Peace is a racket", testimony from crime boss Barrack Hussein Obama.)
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To: Sherman Logan

Just remember that he was officially part of a neighborhood watch. It’s not like he was some vigilante patrolling the streets. There’s nothing legally barring him from confronting a suspicious person on the street, but he’s asking for trouble if it turns out that person is up to no good and willing to use a weapon to get away from the police or someone who could call them.

If you were coming home late from work and saw a man or group of men on or near your property, wouldn’t you be curious as to their intent and possibly go out on your property to confront them? I’ve done the very same thing, shotgun under arm while on the phone with the police. The cops showed up and the kids scrambled away. Made me think twice about any presumption of safety in my neighborhood.


41 posted on 03/21/2012 7:58:59 AM PDT by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: LucianOfSamasota
In the old west a gun fight was ‘legal’ if it was a ‘fair fight’, i.e. both parties had to be armed. If the kid was breaking into Zimmerman’s house - burn him down! But to accost and shoot an unarmed 17 year old on a public street? I need to hear a better reason to take a life.

Although I would not call Zimmerman a murderer yet, that is up to a jury and Judge and I hope they get their chance to weigh in on this. An unarmed kid, good or bad, gets shot on a public street and the shooter is not even arrested is beyond my understanding of how the law works in Florida. Assuming the facts are correct as to what happened, this is really bad if Zimmerman is not arrested and charged.

42 posted on 03/21/2012 7:59:53 AM PDT by quesera ("the darkside is upon us")
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To: Lazamataz

Well, at least he didn’t open fire.


43 posted on 03/21/2012 8:00:39 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Sans-Culotte

I just think conservatives rallying around Zimmerman makes us look like the “Free Mumia” libtards.


We should run in the opposite direction from Zimmerman - there is nothing there that has anything whatsoever to do with conservatism. This is NOT what the 2nd amendment is about. In fact this reminds me of “Fast and Furious” i.e. a cause that can be used to diminish our 2nd amendment rights by the left.


44 posted on 03/21/2012 8:01:25 AM PDT by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
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To: Sans-Culotte
It is not a matter of rallying around Zimmerman, but rather, not rushing to judgment. Zimmerman was part of a neighborhood watch group. It was formed in response to crimes being committed there. Zimmerman called the police to report the suspicious person in the neighborhood, which Zimmerman was trying to protect. He apparently failed to follow police instructions not to follow Martin. What prompted the confrontation needs to be ascertained.

Until we have all the facts, we shouldn't be joining Sharpton and Scarborough claiming that it was a murder. Nor should we fuel the flames to incite groups that threaten to come to Florida for retribution to mete out their own justice.

45 posted on 03/21/2012 8:03:44 AM PDT by kabar
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To: rarestia
Just remember that he was officially part of a neighborhood watch.

_________________________________________

A) Really? Did the official group say that? Please provide link.

B) If what you say is true (which is doubtful) it does not give him any authority to confront anybody at all.

There are neighborhood watch groups...noy neighborhood confront, fight and shoot groups.

46 posted on 03/21/2012 8:07:59 AM PDT by wtc911 (Amigo - you've been had.)
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To: quesera
An unarmed kid, good or bad, gets shot on a public street and the shooter is not even arrested is beyond my understanding of how the law works in Florida.

It works like this. In Florida, if you are attacked and being beaten badly enough that you think you are in danger of severe injury or death, you can kill the attacker, whether they are armed with a deadly weapon or not. It doesn't matter if the incident began with the man approaching the kid, as long as he was not the physical aggressor. If the man was the physical aggressor, then the kid would be defending himself, and the man would be guilty of murder. It depends on exactly what happened. From what I've read so far, it could go either way, but with what is known so far, it seems there is not enough evidence for an arrest. But that could very well be forthcoming.
47 posted on 03/21/2012 8:10:37 AM PDT by ZX12R (FUBO GTFO 2012 ! We should take off and Newt washington from orbit.)
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To: StevieRay20

Yet just yesterday on some show (HLN?), while they showed his picture, they called him white. Is Zimmerman an alias? I recall a Hispanic work-place shooter who had changed his name to an Irish one.


48 posted on 03/21/2012 8:12:53 AM PDT by apocalypto
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To: rarestia
There’s really nothing more here than some mall ninja without the will or physical acumen to run down a black kid who he deems suspicious.

You must have some information the rest of the public doesn't. Zimmerman was part of a neighborhood watch group. He reported the suspicious person to the police who told him not to confront the suspect. He wasn't supposed to "run down a black kid he deems suspicious."

There was no weapon on his person according to all accounts,

How was Zimmerman supposed to divine that? He reported to the police that the suspect had his hands in his waistband and appeared to be hiding something. We don't know what prompted the altercation that resulted in both men wrestling on the ground.

Zimmerman used racial epithets to describe the kid/situation on the phone with the police, regardless of whether or not he wanted those epithets to be recorded.

That is not a crime. And the police asked Zimmerman to describe the suspect and if was black or not, which Zimmerman confirmed. I have no idea as to what crimes were committed in the neighborhood that caused the formation of the watch group or who were the people that committed those crimes. If, in fact, the suspects who had committed crimes previously in the neighborhood were black, then Zimmerman may have been guilty of racial profiling.

This is a tragic incident, but I have seen nothing except the race baiting rhetoric of Al Sharpton to conclude that the killing was racially motivated or premeditated. Even Martin's family has cautioned that the police should be allowed to investigate the matter fully and no vigilante action should be taken in retribution.

49 posted on 03/21/2012 8:17:30 AM PDT by kabar
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To: junta

The dude ain’t white.


50 posted on 03/21/2012 8:21:11 AM PDT by Sans-Culotte ( Pray for Obama- Psalm 109:8)
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