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the social worker had described their father as “one who had no hope of meaningful recovery, one whose quality of life was gone, one with no dignity due to his illness and disability.”

So, they think murdering him is somehow dignified? Disgusting.

1 posted on 03/21/2012 4:30:47 PM PDT by wagglebee
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2 posted on 03/21/2012 4:32:37 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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3 posted on 03/21/2012 4:34:26 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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I have personally witnessed this in a hospice situation. It is murder. Plain and simple.


4 posted on 03/21/2012 4:34:55 PM PDT by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto.)
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5 posted on 03/21/2012 4:35:17 PM PDT by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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How is this not evil?


6 posted on 03/21/2012 4:38:12 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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Do you work around people who's own body is trying to kill them? He can go home anytime. This article is slanted and misleading
7 posted on 03/21/2012 4:39:06 PM PDT by Domangart
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There are no death panels. </sarcasm>
8 posted on 03/21/2012 4:39:25 PM PDT by reg45 (Barack 0bama: Implementing class warfare by having no class!)
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Wags, I know how you're looking at it, but I have serious problems with this story: Texas Right to Life says that the patient is a man named William, who as yet has not been further identified.

The group said the hospital is located in northwest Houston, which is not yet further identified.

Anonymous physicians, social workers et al. IMHO, the Texas Right to Life org should not be making such releases with information that cannot be vetted, nor should it be posted here.

I'm not saying that the information is false. However, I am saying that it's vague in too many respects to be taken seriously in its current form.

11 posted on 03/21/2012 4:42:51 PM PDT by Melas (u)
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If they want to kill him so badly, then why do it not in a humane way? Not even the condemned are executed like that.

Talking about cruel and unusual punishment.


16 posted on 03/21/2012 5:01:54 PM PDT by 353FMG
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we're only getting half the story.....

the family should just take the patient out and bring him elsewhere, or take him home...get a court order if necessary....

but I suspect the family has been offered options yet refused....

17 posted on 03/21/2012 5:02:21 PM PDT by cherry
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This Texas right to life needs to do better than this.

Name names!

Which hospital and what doctors?!?!

I want names, emails, and phone numbers posted here to Free Republic for all to see.


20 posted on 03/21/2012 5:06:50 PM PDT by Morgana (I only come here to see what happens next. It normally does.)
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We’ll have to start our own underground hospitals - like the underground railroad.


23 posted on 03/21/2012 5:09:40 PM PDT by little jeremiah (We will have to go through hell to get out of hell. Signed, a fanatic)
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I worked for a major Boston hospital for many years.There was once an incident where a patient died due to a genuine error by one of the staff surgeons.For at least a week after the death the family camped at the main entrance carrying big signs saying "XYZ Hospital Killed My Wife/Mother/Sister".There was nothing the hospital could do.

The family involved here should do the same kind of thing.

31 posted on 03/21/2012 6:02:06 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Jimmy Carter Is No Longer The Worst President To Have Served In My Lifetime.)
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I think an appropriate response would be essentially a “force option”.

Once a destination has been determined, get some sympathetic medical personnel, and half a dozen strong-arm men along with a gurney and ambulance crew. Then, in the early hours of the morning go in and take him.

Admittedly, the strong arms will likely be arrested, and that should be part of the plan that if the hospital staff or security interfere, that it is the strong arms who will be the focus of force as the patient is spirited away.

It will take months or years to get it all sorted out in court, and by then the patient will likely have died a natural death.

But it will cause reverberations throughout the medical community and likely the government, to the effect that people will fight to keep their loved ones from being medically murdered.

So a battery of sympathetic lawyers should also be standing by, since the real battle will be in court.


33 posted on 03/21/2012 6:08:34 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy ("We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good." -- Hillary Clinton)
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“the hospital has refused to allow the patient and his family to take him to a nearby hospice for care”

Me, in that situation:

“Allow” presumes I recognize your authority in this matter!”
“We are leaving, NOW!”


35 posted on 03/21/2012 6:24:44 PM PDT by G Larry (We are NOT obliged to carry the snake in our pocket and then dismiss the bites as natural behavior.)
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are they starving him, or just withdrawing treatment that won’t help (futile care theory)?

End stage leukemia along with pneumonia? Sounds like IV fluid would only prolong his terminal agony, not prolong his life. And Catholic law does not require extraordinary care...IV fluid here means either a deep IV line (which will only increase the chance of infection and heart failure) or spending hours trying to find a vein that won’t collapse.

I’d hold off before I dare to judge this matter.


36 posted on 03/21/2012 7:08:14 PM PDT by LadyDoc
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are they starving him, or just withdrawing treatment that won’t help (futile care theory)?

End stage leukemia along with pneumonia? Sounds like IV fluid would only prolong his terminal agony, not prolong his life. And Catholic law does not require extraordinary care...IV fluid here means either a deep IV line (which will only increase the chance of infection and heart failure) or spending hours trying to find a vein that won’t collapse.

I’d hold off before I dare to judge this matter.


37 posted on 03/21/2012 7:08:42 PM PDT by LadyDoc
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"...the hospital has refused to allow the patient and his family to take him to a nearby hospice for care.

By what legal right or authority can a hospital keep a patient incarcerated to prevent them being taken to hospice care?

I cannot imagine that hospital successfully resisting my (very well-armed) family if we knew one of ours needed hospice care.

40 posted on 03/21/2012 8:52:20 PM PDT by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias...)
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Thanks for the ping, and again for all your work on FR.
The tactics of the pro-death side now include an
identity shield. All we know is the first name of
the victim and geographical location.


42 posted on 03/22/2012 4:35:44 PM PDT by cycjec
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Social worker?

Something’s not right with this story.


46 posted on 03/22/2012 4:59:34 PM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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