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To: Alice in Wonderland
For someone who has claimed to have listened to the phone call several times, you sure are short on facts. Let's take your points one at a time, shall we?

Considering that Martin’s body was found in the backyard of 2831 Retreat View Circle, what evidence do you have that Zimmerman obeyed police instructions, remained with his truck, and did not follow Martin?

Zimmerman was never given police instructions to obey. The dispatcher told him he didn't need to pursue. He said OK and you can clearly tell he stopped running. At no time did the dispatcher instruct Zimmerman to stay with his vehicle. There may be no evidence that he didn't pick up the chase after the phone call ended, but there definitely is no evidence that he did.

In Mr. Zimmerman’s call to 911 (not 911, Sanford Police Department) he states that his location is past the clubhouse, past the mailboxes, that he is parked by the cut-thru (walkway).

And would that be the walkway off which the body was? If so, then unfortunately for you, Zimmerman's story fits with the known facts. Zimmerman was parked by the walkway, watching Martin. Martin starts to run and Zimmerman leaves his vehicle and pursues through the walkway. Dispatcher recommends giving up pursuit so Zimmerman stops where he is, somewhere past the walkway and finishes the call with the dispatcher. As he makes his way back to his vehicle, he is confronted by Martin near the walkway.

Now, if this is not the same walkway, then you might have a valid point, but still no solid proof that Zimmerman continued the pursuit.

He also states that Martin was walking towards him, towards the back entrance of the complex, then Martin disappeared from view (on the walkway behind the houses).

This is total fabrication. He said Martin was walking towards him while he was watching him and giving directions to the dispatcher. He then stated Martin started running. We hear him exit his vehicle and he is obviously running after him, which the dispatcher realized as well, telling him he didn't need to do that (not cease and desist immediately from pursuing as you seem to imply). The dispatcher asked where Martin was running to and that is when Zimmerman mentioned the other entrance in the back. Martin disappeared after he ran away, not after casually walking and minding his own business.

We do NOT know that Zimmerman stopped the chase. Rather, the opposite likely happened.

I see - we do NOT know that he stopped the chase, even though he clearly stops during the phone call, but we are pretty certain that he continued the chase with no evidence whatsoever. Uh huh, yeah that makes sense. Kinda like "who are you gonna believe, me or your lyin' eyes.

After first agreeing to meet the police at the mailboxes, Zimmerman amended that, requesting that the responding officer call him for an exact location. That would not have been necessary if he intended to remain with his vehicle and indicated that he intended to leave his vehicle parked on the street and follow Martin on foot.

When Martin ran, Zimmerman got out of his car and ran after him. He was talking to the dispatcher as he was running. He was already away from his vehicle. He stopped running when the dispatcher told him he didn't need to pursue. Did he magically end up in his vehicle again after running after Martin? Of course not. The conversation with the dispatcher took place outside the vehicle probably at the spot where he gave up the chase. This all happened within a matter of a couple of minutes. Again referring to the call, Zimmerman was having some difficulty with directions to where he was located. Maybe he thought it would be easier to talk to the police that were actually coming to the scene when they got there to explain his location.

Are you contending that Martin is to blame because he didn’t get back to the apartment quickly enough?

Don't go there, so lame. Of course I don't blame Martin. If you recall I even posited to you that perhaps he was lost or unfamiliar with the area since he didn't actually live there.

Basically, you've already decided that Zimmerman is at fault because you think he's a busy-body cop wannabe. Therefore all your indications and suppositions are geared to that end, even to the point of distorting the facts to get there. But, facts are stubborn things and it's quite easy for anyone interested to go back and listen to that call and discern the truth for themselves.

406 posted on 03/23/2012 11:27:32 AM PDT by Shethink13
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To: Shethink13

So you’re saying that in his 30-second sprint, Zimmerman ran up the pathway to beyond 2831, had turned around and was returning to his vehicle when Martin, who has run ahead and was still on the phone, decided to turn around and attack Zimmerman in the backyard of 2831? Ludicrous!


418 posted on 03/23/2012 1:34:18 PM PDT by Alice in Wonderland
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To: Shethink13

I’m amazed that such an intelligent, clear thinking lady has escaped my attention for over 10 years.

You are a breath of sanity in the midst of a lynch mob frenzy.
Thank You.


422 posted on 03/23/2012 2:11:32 PM PDT by kanawa
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