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It’s Not About Stand Your Ground (Reserve judgment. But it seems that Zimmerman acted lawfully)
National Review ^ | 03/28/2012 | By John R. Lott Jr.

Posted on 03/28/2012 6:33:32 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

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To: SMARTY

He was following the thug, and when the 911 operator suggested he not do that, he stopped and was walking away when he was attacked. He was hit from behind, and that constitutes an aggressive assault.... the thug then pounced on top of him and commenced to beat him mercilessy, bashing his head into the cement... the only thing the thug did not take into account was that his victim (yes the victim here is zimmerman, not the thug) was armed. It looks like the thug picked the wrong guy to assault.


21 posted on 03/28/2012 7:10:53 AM PDT by joe fonebone (Project Gunwalker, this will make watergate look like the warm up band......)
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To: SeekAndFind

how is pursuing defined if at all?

The 911 calls define the minimus of the “pursuit”

The real issue is how did zimmerman end up with his back on the ground with Martin on top pounding him.


22 posted on 03/28/2012 7:11:32 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: SeekAndFind

Elderly couple forced out of home after tweet claims killer of Trayvon Martin lives there

Published March 28, 2012 | NewsCore

An elderly Florida couple have been forced to move into a hotel after their home address was wrongly tweeted as belonging to the man who shot teen Trayvon Martin.

The tweets were traced back to a man in California and the address was also reportedly retweeted by director Spike Lee to his almost 250,000 followers.

The couple, aged 70 and 72, have been harassed with hate mail, been hassled by media and had scared neighbors questioning them since the tweet, their son Chip Humble told the Orlando Sentinel.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/03/28/elderly-couple-forced-out-home-after-tweet-claims-killer-trayvon-miller-lives/print#ixzz1qQ81lg4x


23 posted on 03/28/2012 7:12:02 AM PDT by KeyLargo
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To: joe fonebone

That’s the way I read it


24 posted on 03/28/2012 7:14:43 AM PDT by SMARTY ("The man who has no inner-life is a slave to his surroundings. "Henri Frederic Amiel)
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To: Beagle8U
This young magic negro is part of Bozo's plan to cause riots
and race divide prior to the election this will occur all over America. Then the head “magic negro” can declair martial law and proclaim him self president for life.
25 posted on 03/28/2012 7:14:51 AM PDT by tiger63
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To: SMARTY; Puppage; Arm_Bears; The Working Man; Cboldt; Neoliberalnot; ForAmerica; JoeProBono
...what could be ‘unlawful’ about self-defense..

Liberals want a new standard: if a black man is beating the sh*t out of you, you must yell, scream and die.

Neighborhood Watch groups will be taught to 'fear all equally': a 90 year old grandmother, a five year old in a wheel chair, a six foot tall black man who looks like he's on drugs, an Arab screaming 'Allah Akbar'. All MUST be seen as equally dangerous.

Liberal: "why didn't you call the police on the grandmother walking with a cane in the neighborhood? Why so few 6 year old children called in?". "Are you racist?" (consequence of this? Police would quit responding - citizens would fear calling for help)

In the mind of the mindless - innocent grandmother and thugs MUST be seen as equal threats.

Total denial of reality is required in this brave new world.. Any other stance - any stance other than denial of reality, will be seen as racist.

Wanted Dead or Alive posters, angry mobs, the big bullies in the press ( my big brother will beat you up) - they'll all be out. In the mind of the mindless - they are all to be treated the same.

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Zimmerman did not follow - I'll get the link of the police call and link it.

26 posted on 03/28/2012 7:23:22 AM PDT by GOPJ (Democrat-Media Complex - buried stories and distorted facts... freeper 'andrew' Breitbart)
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To: SeekAndFind

If evidence shows Zimmerman was on his back being pummeled, and no way of knowing if the attacker was going to knife, shoot or strangle him, I ax-u, what the hell you gunna do if you had a gun??? Huh, mofo...?


27 posted on 03/28/2012 7:26:12 AM PDT by dps.inspect (the system is rigged...)
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To: SeekAndFind; SMARTY; Puppage; Arm_Bears; The Working Man; Cboldt; Neoliberalnot; ForAmerica; ...

This is the 911 call from Zimmerman.

http://www.sanfordfl.gov/investigation/911/call1.wav


28 posted on 03/28/2012 7:28:07 AM PDT by GOPJ (Democrat-Media Complex - buried stories and distorted facts... freeper 'andrew' Breitbart)
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To: SMARTY; Puppage; Arm_Bears; The Working Man; Cboldt; Neoliberalnot; ForAmerica; JoeProBono

http://sanfordfl.gov/investigation/trayvon_martin.html

http://www.sanfordfl.gov/investigation/911/call1.wav


29 posted on 03/28/2012 7:32:34 AM PDT by GOPJ (Democrat-Media Complex - buried stories and distorted facts... freeper 'andrew' Breitbart)
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To: Puppage

There are so many various “facts” about that case.

For instance, I read/heard that Zimmerman did chase the “kid”, lost sight on him and was returning to his SUV when suddenly “kid” had come back to Zimmerman and the fight was on after a few words with each other.

Who can tell the truth about this unfortunate, fatal event.

No one should have died if everyone had been more thoughtful.

I don’t know what happened but that the above is one “narrative” I’ve heard.

Who knows....


30 posted on 03/28/2012 7:40:37 AM PDT by hummingbird
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To: SMARTY

From the reading I’ve done. Z’s story is more along the following - pursued him until he lost sight...at which point he turned around and headed away.. T then became the aggressor and attacked him. Z was on the ground be pummeled by Z (as per eye witness.) Z shoots T in self-defense.

If Z’s story is true, - stand your ground seems appropriate and justified.


31 posted on 03/28/2012 7:41:01 AM PDT by fremont_steve
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To: The Working Man
As for MSM, it reminds me of Soladad (sic) interview with Pollack (sic).

She jumped conclusions, asked where was the “bombshell” and Pollack said
that this interview proved a point - MSM is part of the core in that MSM pretty much takes a story and runs with it without facts & is a group of “journalists” that really aren't real journalists.

That sounds like 5th column to me. MSM = 5th column. They have their agendas and run with them before any real facts - they run with their agenda - facts be damned.

32 posted on 03/28/2012 7:47:42 AM PDT by hummingbird
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To: ForAmerica
The only thing I have to say is that Zimmerman should not have followed him after the dispatcher told him not to.

We don't know that he did. Some reports state that, after the 911 call, Zimmerman turned around to go back to his vehicle. It was at that point that Martin followed him and attacked him.

33 posted on 03/28/2012 7:48:05 AM PDT by BfloGuy (The final outcome of the credit expansion is general impoverishment.)
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To: SeekAndFind
Why are you using the "orange jumpsuit" picture of Zimmerman that the race baiters and Left use to create the impression that he is some sort of criminal or thug? Here is another picture of George Zimmerman:


34 posted on 03/28/2012 7:49:31 AM PDT by kabar
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To: ForAmerica

One more thing, let’s not forget that a 911 dispatcher’s suggestion is not an order. They don’t have that authority nor should they.


35 posted on 03/28/2012 7:50:16 AM PDT by BfloGuy (The final outcome of the credit expansion is general impoverishment.)
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To: GOPJ

From that 911 call, it sounds like Trayvon was casing the neighborhood. Zimmerman noticed his suspicious behavior and called police before he determined the guy’s race.


36 posted on 03/28/2012 7:52:52 AM PDT by BlatherNaut
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To: ForAmerica
“The only thing I have to say is that Zimmerman should not have followed him after the dispatcher told him not to. Zimmerman should not have assumed that he was a suspect just because he was black. I know this from experience, we are guilty until proven innocent.

I can relate because of being followed in stores as a late teen and young adult! I now have to deal with the police in my own suburban neighborhood driving a BMW and being pulled over six times in eight weeks!”

I am so sorry to hear of your experiences, ForAmerica.

America is better that this.

37 posted on 03/28/2012 7:53:42 AM PDT by hummingbird
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To: ForAmerica
The only thing I have to say is that Zimmerman should not have followed him after the dispatcher told him not to. Zimmerman should not have assumed that he was a suspect just because he was black. I know this from experience, we are guilty until proven innocent.

1) At no point did the dispatcher tell him not to. She told him "we don't need for you to do that", which is not an order, or even a suggestion.

2) police reports of criminal activity at the community show a pattern of young black men being involved in burglary and home invasion in the complex, with the neighborhood watch being credited with the apprehension of four of the criminals. If a rash of break-ins had been committed by bands of Scandinavian immigrants, then Zimmerman would have been looking for white blonde-haired guys, but that wasn't the profile.

38 posted on 03/28/2012 7:53:42 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act. - George Orwell)
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To: Puppage
You can't be "just a busybody" when you have a gun. There's also no need to maintain visual contact. You call the cops, and that's it.

And if the cops show little interest in responding to anything that doesn't involve traffic fine revenue? What then?

39 posted on 03/28/2012 7:56:07 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act. - George Orwell)
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To: fremont_steve
If Z’s story is true, - stand your ground seems appropriate and justified.

I don't think the stand your ground law even applies in this situation. As I understand it, it only applies if you have the ability to flee the confrontation, and the law covers you if you choose not to, and just choose to just face the confrontation instead, even if it means using deadly force. If Zimmerman was punched, knocked down, and is then being beaten, as he says, it's just plain self defense, and the stand your ground law never comes into the situation.
40 posted on 03/28/2012 8:00:33 AM PDT by ZX12R (FUBO GTFO 2012 ! We should take off and Newt washington from orbit.)
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