Trayvon Martin's parents re-live a 'nightmare' (Must read)

Madison Times ^ | March 28, 2012 | George E. Curry, NNPA Special Contributor

[little jeremiah]

Zimmerman had the right to protect himself from a severe beatdown.

Since you posted that photo, why didn’t you post the others?

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2864453/posts?page=150#150

Police: Zimmerman story is ‘consistent’ with evidence in Trayvon Martin shooting
Fox News ^ | March 27, 2012

Scoutmaster, you might be interested in the other photos and comments about them. Alice is pushing the MSM/Sharpton version.

[Eaker]

did Zimmerman have the legal right to kill him?

It appears that the answer is yes.

[little jeremiah]

Two other freepers who got it very wrong, have since apologized after realizing they swallowed the lies. ALice and one other leftist POS are still swallowing and spewing.

Alice refuses to stop drinking from the “Drink Me” bottle.

It is amazing what’s allowed on FR nowadays.

[tioga]

Trayvon’s father couldn’t reach him and went to bed? Honor roll? Trayvon was suspended from school 3 times. If he was on the honor roll that is a bit of a shocker.

[Eaker]

little jeremiah,

I’ll give you a big +1!

[little jeremiah]

Sometimes one has had it up to here (hand way above head) if you know what I mean.

[floriduh voter]

Alice, it's a real shame. I agree with the long time member. I am one as well, changed my name once after the 2000 election to make fun of the voters in S. Fla who couldn't understand the Butterfly Ballot. The bizarre part to me that I am being called a troll because I think a young man was shot down and his whole life is over. FR is pro-life. I would have presumed that alleged MURDER VICTIMS would be covered as well?

That long time freepers are being personally attacked for their opinion and if it isn't hoodies, it's tattoos or baggy pants mean something bad and definitely black, and I MUST HATE ZIMMERMAN, it's obvious.

What a bunch of horse puckey. Where are my freepers and who are these replacements who live in a stereotypical world and refuse to do their own research???? They REFUSE to sign up at Facebook and expect ME to go there and trot things back here for them.

Let's just call these bigots "the replacements" and I'm sure they know who they are by what they have already posted. I wore a hoodie today and in my own neighborhood. The hood was not even up.

Thanks to extremists, they have the entire country afraid of clothing. It's not the black community who is ginning up that CLOTHING IS SCARY.

[floriduh voter]

As I indicated, I was directing you to another thread which had more info on it about George Zimmerman. The “all” was for the Trayvon haters. I don’t think you are one but let’s just say I don’t think your my best pal. I have no agenda here but my speech is protected and I have dignity, not shame. Why would I pick on you? You wanted info from me and I found some. I’m not diabolical so there is no shame.

[Eaker]

You have that right.

[Scoutmaster]

Even if Martin dabbled in drugs, carried himself like a gangsta and wore tattoos, did Zimmerman have the legal right to kill him?

Whether Martin dabbled in the past in drugs has nothing do do with it. If Zimmerman said the person he was watching acted strange, like he was on drugs, and drugs were found in Martin's body, then that gives some credence to the fact that Zimmerman was watching Martin because he was acting strange (beyond walking around off the sidewalks), and not just because he was black. Whether Zimmerman had a legal right to kill Martin depends on Florida law, and the law in question is Florida Statutes Chapter 776, as amended by the Florida Stand Your Ground act of 2005.

We have to apply that law to the facts - and we don't know the facts yet. None of us do. For one thing, we're hearing contradictory 'facts.' But when it comes time to apply that law, one of the elements is Zimmerman's 'reasonable belief,' which will be determined by a reasonable man standard. As with similar standards, the appearance of the other party is relevant. In law school you're given the example of the gentle giant - a party who may not have an aggressive bone in his body but by virtue of his size would be viewed as a threat by a reasonable person who didn't know him. If - and we're not talking Trayvon here - a person chose to get a skull and crossbones and the words "kill 'em all" tattooed on his forehead, then in a fight it would likely be deemed more reasonable for you to be concerned about what the individual was going to do. If the individual said "I'm going to kill your *ss" as he beat on you, then that must be considered.

If Trayvon carried himself like a gangsta and wore certain type of tattoos, then a reasonable person may feel more threatened by him. But by a tattoo of him mother's name? Hardly. By a simple hoodie? Hardly.

Have you read Florida Statutes 776.012 and 776.041 and applied them to all of the facts favorable to Zimmerman? Forget tattoos and hoodies. IF Martin punched Zimmerman and knocked him down, and IF Martin was beating on Zimmerman for the nearly one minute that somebody was beating on somebody suggested by the timing of call #3 on the Sanford website, with a fight for the gun, what's your analysis under the Florida Statutes?

Had you had followed the one to the girlfriend you would have learned that she has never been interviewed by the police.

When I read about her, I'd find out that she has refused to give an interview to the police, correct? That's different than the police not wanting to interview her, isn't it?

[Scoutmaster]

I've worn hoodies since around 1971. But why do you call Trayvon Marin a "MURDER VICTIM"? You know 'murder' is a legal term, don't you? If you're saying murder, do you mean first- or second-degree murder? Why not manslaughter? And, as tragic as the shooting was, what facts are you certain of that renders Florida Statutes Chapter 776 irrelevant as a complete defense to a charge of murder or manslaughter as a matter of law?

By the way, I think the hoodie and tattoos (or tattoo, because I've seen nothing to indicate that the upper arm tattoo was his) are 99.8% irrelevant. I put my hood up when it's raining.

[Scoutmaster]

That long time freepers are being personally attacked for their opinion and if it isn't hoodies, it's tattoos or baggy pants mean something bad and definitely black, and I MUST HATE ZIMMERMAN, it's obvious.

Yeah, I've picked up on that. I've read posts that came close to saying "he wore a hoodie; he needed shooting." Or "he had on a hoodie, that's proof to me that he attacked Zimmerman, and the underlying, unspoken part seems to be 'he had on a hoodie [and he was black], that's proof to me that he attacked Zimmerman'." I think of the outsiders reading FR and I simply cringe.

[floriduh voter]

Some posters were freaking out about fashion trends. I think that's the inherent problem. If we are afraid of clothes, then might not we be fear fear itself?

I'm not trying this case at FR. Where are the blood spatters on George Zimmerman and on Trayvon Martin and with that, I have nothing more to say.

[floriduh voter]

I have my distance glasses on. Sorry for the statement there about fearing fear itself which came out wrong.

[floriduh voter]

Nobody knows how long this is going to unfold. I just can't imagine the vitriol could possibly exist at this level until a final resolution. It takes a lot of negative energy to post such cringeworthy statements. I'm hopin' the vitriol tapers off.

The kid's official pages are tame. Maybe they have a PR person running their pages but they're not going out of bounds imo. I bet they have a PR person which was a smart thing to do.

[cynwoody]

Dan published photos ~ and tweets ~ of the wrong fellow!

As it happens, I found a Google cache of Trayvon Martin's Twitter account, @NO_LIMIT_NIGGA.

Martin used this photo as his Twitter page background:

That's the mugshot of rapper Corey Miller, aka C-Murder, who is doing life without parole for beating up and shooting to death 16-year-old Steve Thomas in 2002 at a night club in Harvey, Louisiana. Quite the role model for an up and coming wannabe gang banger, don't you think?

Martin's Twitter account handle was NO_LIMIT_NIGGA. He listed his name as SLIMM, his location as YO HOE CRIB, and his favorite website as LIES.COM. Dude liked caps!

And it is for sure the right fellow's account. It contained a birthday greeting from the lovely and charming EatYhurBrainz, aka Kia (whose ballistic background pic would have pleased Doc Edgerton). Kia turns out to attend the same high school as Martin. And her greeting would have been sent on the evening of 5 February. Martin was born on 5 February 1995.

You can see the Google cache, dated Feb 6, 2012 12:29:45 GMT, here. (You will need to disable JavaScript to avoid being redirected to a blank Twitter page.)

[Fantasywriter]

No, you didn’t direct me to a thread w more info. This is how that would look:

‘Hey, FW, here is a thread w more info on it.’

You directed me to ‘stop hatin’ on Trayvon’.

Here is how that looked:

Ping to Fantasywriter [the only non-’Trayvon supporter’ you pinged by name]:

“Ya’ll quit hating Trayvon and we will wait for the DA to prosecute George Zimmerman before a jury of his peers.”

You should be ashamed because like so many Trayvon supporters you’re not honest. Yes, you could have pinged me to a thread w more info. [Which I did not ask for. I asked for a specific quote and a link, which you never provided. Another poster provided that for me—one that evidently understands plain English.] But you didn’t. You pinged me to ‘stop hatin’ on Trayvon—something I have never done.

Stop dissembling. What you did is a matter of record, and no matter how many times you deny it, the truth is right there in black and white.

And you folks wonder why you’re not helping your cause. It should be obvious. When you gratuitously insult people on multiple levels and practice blatant deception, how can you expect to advance your case?

[floriduh voter]

I thought you were done posting to me or was it vice versa? Anyway, I'm having a great night. Trayvon Mmrtin and his family aren't and neither is George Zimmerman and his family.

Don't get me started on CSI cuz they acted ridiculously. I am white and a conservative. Good night.

[floriduh voter]

I’ve explained to blogs for Trayvon that conservatives and republicans are not against Trayvon. We want the investigation to proceed. I’m doing CYA for conservatives and Trayvon folks get it. It’s helpful for me to represent there as a conservative to counter the stupid stuff that MSNBC is saying that this is right wing. They aren’t putting MSNBC junk on T’s blogs I’ve been to. Sharpton’s a tool, in more ways than one but he’s a bit player.