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Why Manipulate the Tragedy of Trayvon Martin?
National Review Online ^ | March 25, 2012 | Heather Mac Donald

Posted on 03/30/2012 11:10:18 PM PDT by neverdem

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To: Avoiding_Sulla
Heather MacDonald was particularly oafish in how obviously biased she is here, and also likely pimping a gun-grabber agenda, and also likely pimping a gun-grabber agenda,

Are you familiar with Heather MacDonald? Did you read the whole essay? The violent crime statistics in this essay are jaw dropping. She frequently writes a very anti-crime and pro-police agenda as well as anti-illegal immigration essays. I never saw her push a gun-grabbing agenda.

41 posted on 03/31/2012 2:00:33 AM PDT by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: neverdem
The fact that it took nearly a month for the Trayvon Martin case to be made cause celebre by the professional race baiters would seem strange to me. Isn't the usual situation that "spontaneous community anger" wells up soon after the incident not a month later? Look at the Duke lacrosse players incident, it was less than a week before Sharpton and Jackson whipped up their racist rants. This whole incident seems orchestrated I would suspicion by the White House to solidify the Black base in the key election state of Florida. Watch for other similar orchestrated incidents this summer in other states where Obama feels his Black base needs shoring up.
42 posted on 03/31/2012 2:04:36 AM PDT by The Great RJ ("The problem with socialism is that pretty soon you run out of other people's money" M. Thatcher)
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To: neverdem
Unless Martin’s killer, George Zimmerman, had reason to believe that Martin was armed, shooting him was a grossly disproportionate response to a fistfight, even leaving aside the fact that Zimmerman had initiated the encounter.

First, initiating an encounter is not the same thing as initiating hostilities. For a neighborhood watch volunteer to inquire why someone not from a gated community is walking through in the wee hours is not out of line.

The question is, with the boiling animus of racist victimhood percolating just subcutaneously, was the response to such an enquiry hostile and did it utilize force? One need not have a weapon to kill someone, blunt force trauma using hands and/or feet accounts for a significant enough percentage of murders every year, albeit behind the use of weapons, and repeatedly striking someone's head against a hard object will do the trick.

Cain smote Abel with a rock (the first recorded murder), and bringing the head to the rock instead of the other way around can be equally effective.

At that point, Zimmerman is under attack using lethal force, and to respond in kind, regardless of the means, could be justified if Zimmerman did not initiate the physical confrontation.

To assume guilt on Zimmerman's part (Because he survived the encounter? Because his skin tone is lighter? Because he had a technological advantage that permitted him to prevail?) is crap, especially when the facts have been carefully filtered by the media.

43 posted on 03/31/2012 2:09:28 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: Aria

“You furnish the pictures and I’ll furnish the war.” - William Randolph Hearst


44 posted on 03/31/2012 2:13:25 AM PDT by Vehmgericht
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To: thecodont
someone suggested yesterday that Martin disappeared so he could hide something and then return to what he thought might be LEO without it.

Like perhaps a little bag of Skittles? And some iced tea?

Maybe a more extensive search of the area would reveal the 'skittles and iced tea'. Use drug dogs...

45 posted on 03/31/2012 2:17:40 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: blueplum

Why didn’t the girlfriend come forward when she learned Trayvon was dead? She had to know he was shot and killed yet, according to what I read, Trayvon’s parents only discovered the conversation between the two when they saw the cell phone records. This was weeks later. Why didn’t the girlfriend come forward immediately?


46 posted on 03/31/2012 2:23:03 AM PDT by Krankor (eenie meenie, chili beanie, the spirits are about to speak.)
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To: neverdem

Unless Martin’s killer, George Zimmerman, had reason to believe that Martin was armed, shooting him was a grossly disproportionate response to a fistfight, even leaving aside the fact that Zimmerman had initiated the encounter.>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

George Zimmerman is innocent until proven guilty. Our criminal law should not be changed because we have a liberal fascist temporarily occupying the White House.Nor should our laws of due process be changed.

I doubt Zimmerman will ever be convicted of any offence in relation to the alleged murder. The Sanford Police Department concluded the homicide was justified. The fact that Martin happened to be a black man had nothing to do with it.Zimmerman acted in fear for his life when Martin tried to grab Zimmerman’s gun . The facts show that Zimmerman had a broken nose, and a laceration to the back of his head.Martin also said that Zimmerman was going to die.

Zimmerman was conservative with his responce shooting only once. I would have emptied an entire clip into him, whatever his race might have been.He could have been a purple genome from Mars for all I would have cared given these facts. We are free men, not subject to these thugs.

All this caterwauling is pure fascism, designed to cow White America into giving up its streets to black thugs prowling terror for Barrak Hussein Obama, our pretend president who we actually know little or nothing about.
Make white America vote out of guilt for Barak Hussein Obama? Alinsky is very much alive.

Let America lock and load. The media has been complicit in spreading this terror. Let them bring it.Its time to put these Obama fascists and their terrorist MSM supporters to bed for good.

Good Read:

http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html

http://www.faithfreedom.org/obama.html


47 posted on 03/31/2012 2:33:37 AM PDT by Candor7 (Obama fascist info....http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html)
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To: Conservative Vermont Vet
He also is the fellow who pardoned a violent wacko that was serving a 60 yr sentence and then went on to kill 4 cops
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2009/11/huckabee_pardoned_suspected_wa.html
48 posted on 03/31/2012 2:38:42 AM PDT by Polynikes (Hakkaa Palle)
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To: neverdem
Is it not completely astounding that only true Conservatives instinctively demand equal justice for Zimmerman?

He's Hispanic.

He's a Democrat.

And he probably voted for Obama.

49 posted on 03/31/2012 2:44:12 AM PDT by zeestephen
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To: nathanbedford; Fred Nerks; Beckwith; LucyT; mojitojoe

Good job. These are the facts as I understand them, and as I analyze them as well. And IMHO, it was this analysis that was made by the Sanford Police Department.

All the rest is simply raw emotion fanned into flames by race mongers, among whom numbers a sitting president of the United States, who is unqualified for the office.Obama’s lack of qualification shows.Big Time. Obama is complicit in removing the due process constitutional rights of Zimmerman, in public with the help of his fascist running dogs and the fascist propaganda media.How could Zimmerman ever get a fair trial? Obama has launched a lynch mob, and America should deny him.

Now any criticism of Obama is to be judged as “racist” yet again?Spare me the Alinsky violin music.This is not about Martin or Zimmerman. Its about Obama.

Good Read:

http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html


50 posted on 03/31/2012 2:46:53 AM PDT by Candor7 (Obama fascist info....http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html)
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To: meatloaf

“I take it you haven’t read what Martin’s girlfriend said about the conversation over the phone right before Martin confronted Zimmerman.”

Sure did and it only proves that words were exchanged but as an observation I have to ask, doesnt the first person to speak start the conversation or confrontation in this case?


51 posted on 03/31/2012 2:49:40 AM PDT by Dusty Road
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To: trailboss800
Every word from the mouth of liberals, democrats, progressives, and blacks is a lie. They stand together, they lie together.

Okay, I'm with you 100% on liberals, democrats, and progressives. But blacks? Seriously? Don't do that on here. Aren't you/we above that?

52 posted on 03/31/2012 2:59:03 AM PDT by mn-bush-man
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To: neverdem

With friends like this who needs enemies?


53 posted on 03/31/2012 2:59:32 AM PDT by wastoute (Government cannot redistribute wealth. Government can only redistribute poverty.)
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To: neverdem
Am noticing islamists beginning to glam onto this situation. Believe the incident is being utilized for cover and/or inroads by the islamists to run setups. The objectives of the islamists setups are always a means to an end, and normally cost people their lives. Surveying the lay of the field for a means to further cover their own ongoing activities and plans is becoming apparent the islamists sense an opportunity via help from the media. (imho). Have seen a few interviews of islamists in recent days by the media discussing this incident.
54 posted on 03/31/2012 3:05:58 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (Please God, Protect and Bless Our Men and Women in Uniform with Victory. Amen.)
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To: The Great RJ

My feeling as well. The mother says she called in Sharpton because she couldn’t get any justice; maybe she did, maybe she didn’t. The widespread media blitz and professional race baiters and agitators involvement makes me question her statement. It’s an election year after all and ala Rahm, “no crisis should go to waste”.


55 posted on 03/31/2012 3:38:32 AM PDT by whatshotandwhatsnot (http://www.electstevedawes.com/#)
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To: meatloaf

When did she first make a public statement?


56 posted on 03/31/2012 3:49:54 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: neverdem; csense

I don’t think that we’re her audience. That opening paragraph is a throwaway. Her real audience are moderates and the mushy middle, particularly blacks.

This is a call for hard reflection and to “stand down” from the racial flames being fanned by the likes of Sharpton, et. al.


57 posted on 03/31/2012 3:54:25 AM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: neverdem
"This is the first time this author started so badly, IMHO."

"Heather Needs An Editor", should be her headline.

She led with an apologia (just unconscionable), buried the lede, and those stats should be bullet points (oh, the irony...).

58 posted on 03/31/2012 3:55:08 AM PDT by StAnDeliver (=)
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To: neverdem
The fatal shooting of 17-year-old Trayvon Martin last month by a neighborhood-watch volunteer was a sickening and — unless new facts come to light — unjustified loss of an innocent life. Unless Martin’s killer, George Zimmerman, had reason to believe that Martin was armed, shooting him was a grossly disproportionate response to a fistfight, even leaving aside the fact that Zimmerman had initiated the encounter. If such a shooting is justified under Florida’s broad self-defense law, that law has licensed violence that goes far beyond legitimate self-defense. Every American shares the despair of Martin’s family over this heartbreaking tragedy and supports a fuller investigation (though the entrance of the Feds at this point is premature, absent evidence of Florida’s incapacity to conduct a fair inquiry).

This author's drivel should come with a complimentary barf bag.

Here's a clue, "Heather". Real life fist fights are nothing like the ones on TV. People do not actually trade blows for several minutes, and then end the affray with both parties simply breathing heavily and perhaps a slight trickle of blood from the corner of the loser's mouth.

Fights in real life are often short, violent affairs, usually with one or more parties attempting to inflict maximum, crippling, permanent damage on another, who is trying to defend themselves from said damage. There is a reason cops refuse to trade blows with people they deal with in the street, they often see the results of REAL fights in the course of their job.

This garbage was almost as nonsensical as the idiot poster here the other day that suggested that Zimmerman should have shot to wound Martin, rather than killing him. What we have is a lot of folks who are giving us their stupid opinions, because they "feel" that the events should have happened differently. Stop "feeling", and start THINKING.

Better yet, Heather, go do some research. Find one of these punks who plays the "Knockout Game" on unsuspecting white people, and give them one free punch... one attempt to knock you out with a single blow. Chances are that you will suffer broken facial bones, lost teeth, a broken jaw, a concussion, and possibly the loss of sight in one eye as a result. Your appearance and your emotional state (perhaps even your ability to think clearly. Nah, never mind, that doesn't seem to be an issue.) will be altered forever. That, from a single blow from someone who is playing a GAME.

I did not read the rest of Heather's article either. She had lost any and all credibility in the first paragraph. Maybe in the future she will learn to save the "touchy- feely" nonsense for the LAST paragraph.

59 posted on 03/31/2012 4:13:19 AM PDT by PalmettoMason (South Carolinians need to start choosing a primary challenger to Nikki Haley NOW!!!!!!!)
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To: presently no screen name
Misappropriate use of force? I imagine the author never saw anyone killed by one punch. Tripping an eighty year old lady can be lethal. If she breaks a hip , odds are she will be dead in a year. Obviously Zimmerman was acting beyond his scope of expertise and the seventeen year old was a product of our culture of violence. The result was tragedy for both men.

My firearms instructor told me “the day you shoot a person will be the worst day of your life.” Hopefully, the race-baiters will not provoke more violence. If you are a hammer, the whole world looks like a nail; if you are a racist everything is solely about race.

60 posted on 03/31/2012 4:14:00 AM PDT by Babba Gi
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