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Gov. Brown looks to global warming fees to pay for high-speed rail ("Better, faster, cheaper")
Mercury News ^ | 4/3/12 | Mike Rosenberg and Paul Rogers

Posted on 04/03/2012 9:11:23 AM PDT by NormsRevenge

With a lower price tag and speedier plan to start zipping bullet trains up and down California, Gov. Jerry Brown's ambitious new high-speed rail proposal is still wobbly on one vital ingredient: billions and billions of dollars.

The state still has no guarantee on where it will come up with about 80 percent of the funding needed for a project that high-speed rail leaders announced Monday will cost at least $68 billion. But bullet train backers are now touting a new wild card ..

Anywhere from $2 billion to $14 billion a year could be in play for high-speed rail, thanks to a new proposal to use money from a pollution auction established by the state's landmark global warming law.

The money -- expected to start flowing to the state in November, when it begins selling permits that allow industry to emit greenhouse gases -- could either be a brilliant savior for the cash-strapped rail project or a disappointing enigma that disappears under legal scrutiny and opposition from businesses.

At a news conference Monday in Fresno, rail leaders did little to play up the new funding possibility, nor did they return calls seeking more detail. But critics said it is likely to set off a massive legal showdown between business interests and the state.

"It's the winning-the-lottery scenario," said Dorothy Rothrock, vice president of the California Manufacturers and Technology Association. "Counting on cap-and-trade revenues might not be the wise thing to do if it is so legally suspect that the money will never show up."

The state's new 212-page business plan released Monday begins with the phrase "Better, faster, cheaper," a mantra supporters repeated .. It lowers the project cost from $98 billion, but is still double what voters were told when they approved $9 billion in bonds in 2008.

(Excerpt) Read more at mercurynews.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: california; democrats; envirofascism; fail; globalwarming; globalwarminghoax; highspeedrail; jerrybrown; moonbeam
biggest polluters pay.. before they move out of California

this is like a time-delayed april fools joke..

pig .. lipstick .. yada yada..

Moonbeam Rising

1 posted on 04/03/2012 9:11:30 AM PDT by NormsRevenge
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To: NormsRevenge

People have been talking about replacing income/payroll taxes with these type of carbon taxes. This shows how politically naive such thinking is. I wonder if the California public sector unions will try to push their wants in front of the queue. I can imagine this will denigrate into a bunch of hungry mean dogs fighting to get the bone.


2 posted on 04/03/2012 9:17:21 AM PDT by C19fan
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To: NormsRevenge

People have been talking about replacing income/payroll taxes with these type of carbon taxes. This shows how politically naive such thinking is. I wonder if the California public sector unions will try to push their wants in front of the queue. I can imagine this will denigrate into a bunch of hungry mean dogs fighting to get the bone.


3 posted on 04/03/2012 9:17:58 AM PDT by C19fan
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To: NormsRevenge

biggest polluters pay.. before they move out of California.”

Bingo! He still doesn’t have a clue.


4 posted on 04/03/2012 9:22:04 AM PDT by Huskrrrr
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To: NormsRevenge
The money -- expected to start flowing to the state in November, when it begins selling permits that allow industry to emit greenhouse gases -- could either be a brilliant savior for the cash-strapped rail project or a disappointing enigma that disappears under legal scrutiny and opposition from businesses.

California will soon have to build border fences to keep businesses from fleeing.

5 posted on 04/03/2012 9:22:42 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (You only have three billion heartbeats in a lifetime.How many does the government claim as its own?)
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To: C19fan

“I can imagine this will denigrate into a bunch of hungry mean dogs fighting to get the bone.”

Absolutely! You should have seen the dogfights over the Alameda Corridor construction bone in the early ‘90’s.

Incredible!


6 posted on 04/03/2012 9:30:17 AM PDT by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists, call 'em what you will, they ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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To: NormsRevenge

I seriously think that Jerry Brown is senile. He has no grasp on reality. He is in cloud cuckoo land.


7 posted on 04/03/2012 9:31:17 AM PDT by forgotten man (forgotten man)
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To: KarlInOhio
Karl, you need to study what American Marxists associated with Comrade Obama have said publicly. Their grand plan for turning the U.S. into a communist state would prevent businesses from crossing state and national borders. The idea is to keep them penned up like sheep that can be regularly shorn of their profits.

Of course Marxist/totalitarian minds don't grasp that without the profit motive, operators of businesses will stop producing and simply jump on the "high-speed" gravy train to nowhere.

8 posted on 04/03/2012 9:37:53 AM PDT by Bernard Marx
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To: NormsRevenge

There is very little interest for high speed bullet trains in California, yet the politicians continue to sell it as a panacea for all that ails the state.


9 posted on 04/03/2012 9:59:11 AM PDT by Harley (Will Rogers never met Harry Reid.)
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If this Mother of all Boondogles is brought to life, my state crumbles completely.

http://www.cahighspeedrail.ca.gov/uploadedFiles/Routes/Project_Sections/San_Jose_-_Merced(1)/Merced-Fresno_032911.pdf

10 posted on 04/03/2012 9:59:49 AM PDT by First A Patriot (Resistance to tyranny is obedience to God)
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11 posted on 04/03/2012 9:41:02 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (Occupy DC General Assembly: We are Marxist tools. WE ARE MARXIST TOOLS!)
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To: NormsRevenge
Gov. Brown looks to global warming fees to pay for high-speed rail

Is this going to be one of those deals like the tobacco settlement? Where people stop doing the thing government claimed they wanted them to stop doing, thus cutting off the taxes, thus causing government to wail that they're not getting enough taxes? Even though the activity in question was so loathsome we'd all be better off if every stopped it, supposedly?

12 posted on 04/03/2012 9:56:13 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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