Posted on 04/04/2012 7:54:21 PM PDT by VinL
Republican presidential candidate Newt Gingrich speaks with media at the state GOP headquarters in Raleigh.
(EDIT- Newt's take on the current state of the primary starts at the 5 minute mark.)
(Excerpt) Read more at 2.nbc17.com ...
I don’t trust the polls, but at least they are some measure. Your belief that Newt is electable and Santorum is not is based on nothing more than a wish. Nothing in the primary has shown that Newt could win an election. He can’t beat two unelectable candidates. In some states, he can’t even beat Ron Paul.
Telling people to drop Santorum because he “can’t win”, with no evidence, so we should instead support Gingrich, who has proven he can’t win primaries, and for whom there has never been any evidence he could beat Obama, is an unsupportable argument.
Polls aren’t facts, but the facts aren’t good for Gingrich either. Of course, the fact is that Romney is going to win the nomination, and either Romney or Obama will be President next January. But I’ll suspend disbelief in a Santorum win until it is impossible, before I give into the reality. That point long passed for Gingrich (who is polling 3rd in North Carolina, and not polling first in any state remaining (he is 3rd in Texas as well).
There are very few active public figures that speak with the intelligence that I’d expect from a leader of American Liberty. Newt is one of them. And regardless of his Mitt endorsement, Paul Ryan isn’t far behind.
I’m not knocking any other individual’s intelligence. There’s simply no comparison in the delivery, and depth of understanding. The hype is wasted on me.
Exactly how does he think he will win? Is he going to sweep all remaining primaries with over 50% in all of them?
BINGO!
All can see you make your decisions based on polling data, which is the same as saying you make your decisions based on what other people think. Or what you think they think.
That is your prerogative. It may even help ease the pain as you witness the country march along the pathway of historic inevitability.
what, are you sayin the couch dance with nan was a miscalculation that hit the wallet and hurt the rep of ole greengrinch ??? that the best marketing for a ‘new’ career in DC is to run for POTUS and accumulate ‘new’ friends ???
You are partially correct. I am one who believes that trading Obama for Romney is not trading up, even if he is an American.
I make decisions based on an evaluation of all the information; if I based my decision on polls, I would have supported GIngrich when all the Gingrich folks said he was the clear candidate because he was polling so well.
As I said, people love polls when they say what they like, and then argue against them when they reflect an inconvenient truth.
Polls can be manipulated, so they aren’t the only fact you can use to make a decision, but they are not as wrong as people like to claim when they are bad for their candidate. People who rail at polls usually don’t have any good arguments to make.
But in the matter of which conservative to support, the right thing for everybody to do was to pay attention to what other people thought. The goal was to find a sufficiently conservative candidate who could get broad enough support to beat Romney. “broad enough support” means that we cared what everybody thought. So long as 20% supported each of 5 candidates, we weren’t going to beat ROmney.
I would have preferred Rick Perry to be the last man standing against Romney. I Think if Rick PErry had been in Santorum’s place in february, that Perry would actually be beating Romney now. But that would only happen if other people supported him, and that was entirely dependent on what “other people think”.
But I was happy enough with Rick Santorum and Newt Gingrich that, if enough people had thought they were good enough, I would have supported them in order to beat Romney. So yes, I was looking at what other people thought. Unfortunately, in Florida “other people” thought they didn’t like GIngrich, and he failed. And then in February a lot of people thought not to vote for Gingrich.
And people started voting for Santorum — so because of “what people think”, Santorum had a shot, but then people started ‘thinking’ that he didn’t, and they voted how they thought, and now we are stuck with Romney.
Elections are all about what “other people think”. If we had all been willing to make our decisions based in part on what other people thought, we might have ended up with a good conservative candidate.
I read your post thoroughly. I don’t know whether to laugh or cry.
“Why not work for good local candidates, the Senate, the House?”
Of course. Our Senator Murry and Can’twell are not up this time. We do have a leftist idiot (no kidding) running against a pretty good guy for Governor.
What I meant is that I will find it very hard to be at all excited or willing to work for the Romney.
Maybe I should take your previous point to heart, and completely stop caring at all what a specific other person thinks.
Does that make things clearer to you? I thought the purpose of posting was because you think that others might actually care what you think, and might actually base their actions on the opinions you express. What would the point be if nobody was supposed to care what other people thought, or to base their actions on what other people thought?
” “As democracy is perfected, the office represents, more and more closely, the inner soul of the people. We move toward a lofty ideal. On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their hearts desire at last, and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron.”—H.L. Mencken, The Baltimore Evening Sun, July 26, 1920
It only took 90 years....winner Mencken....TKO
There will be no brokered convention now. Romney's win last Tuesday pretty much guaranteed that. Also, the heavy hitter Conservative endorsements for Romney, will also carry the momentum all the way through April. Romney will likely win PA also. Santorum will have to drop out by then.
Newt's campaign money is in debt and his biggest contributor will pull the plug and go to Romney. Santorum’s money is also drying up very fast and he will be done well before the May Primaries where money will be everything.
It is what it is. It's time to start planning on how to beat Obama with what we have.
I want what you're smoking. Is that hopium?
Are we completely sure that Newt is in third? Paul’s entire strategy is to collect stray delegates like deposit bottles. He may come to Tampa with more strength than Newt.
At best, Newt is the bronze medal winner who has enemies in the establishment and no support among women. Does he really think he is going to get the Convention to rally around him through some kind of world-changing speech?
If there is a brokered convention (which there isn’t going to be), it’s going to end up being Mitt or some complete wild card who everyone can agree on. And that person is more likely to be a Pawlenty or Jeb Bush than a Palin, I fear.
“What I meant is that I will find it very hard to be at all excited or willing to work for the Romney.”
I am just trying to rally the troops, here, for those of us who are feeling lethargic about Romney, I’d hope they’ll redirect their energies towards good, more local candidates rather than sit the whole election out.
That is very true. For the record, Im not really a fan of any of them, but I probably like Paul the most. But the idea that someone could lose badly in the first delegate count, and then somehow win when the delegates are released was always just a fantasy.
I think Mitt is going to win it, regardless of brokered convention or not. Jeb came out and supported him, so it would be hard for him to seriously challenge Mitt at the nomination. Pawlenty ducked out early and endorsed Mitt. Daniels has said multiple times he doesnt want it, as has Christie. I cant see the convention bringing Palin or DeMint in. And I dont think many delegate types like Santorum on a personal level. I just dont see a scenario where it isnt Mitt. The problem is just saying that around some people makes them think you are a Romney fan.
The media has learned not to show Gingrich on TV because every time they do his popularity goes up
Can you imagine Romney trying to debate Obama?
Mitt: “Heh heh I betcha $10,000 the economy is not better now. Heh heh com’on wanna bet?”
Against Gingrich it would be a blood bath
Heck with Newt, I have a better chance of winning.
Newt is a true nut. Maybe he could come up with how that is going to happen in 10,0000 words.
Do you mean Rudy? A conservative? ROTFLMAO!!!
If they ignored him it was because he could not get conservatives to vote for him.
He did some okay things in NYC, but he was to liberal for the voters in the GOP.
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