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Holder sends letter to Fifth Circuit: Courts are supposed to presume that laws are constitutional...
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Posted on 04/05/2012 6:56:00 PM PDT by chessplayer

They asked for three pages single-spaced. He gave them two and a half. Impeach.

Seriously, though, given the immense interest in this story when it broke Tuesday, there was no way O wasn’t going to use the letter as an opportunity to plead his constitutional case on ObamaCare. The court wanted a statement of the DOJ’s position on judicial review but Holder naturally gave them a little more than that. First, the obligatory — and slightly peevish — acknowledgment that, yes, Marbury v. Madison is still good law:

Holder - "In considering such challenges, Acts of Congress are “presumptively constitutional,” Turner Broadcasting System, Inc. v. FCC, 507 U.S. 1301, 1301 (1993), and the Supreme Com1 has stressed that the presumption of constitutionality accorded to Acts of Congress is “strong.” United States v. Five Gambling Devices Labeled in Part .. Mills,” and Bearing Serial Nos. 593-221,346 U.S . 441 , 449 (1953); see, e.g., Gonzales v. Raich, 545 U.S. 1, 28 (2005) (noting that the “congressional judgment” at issue was “entitled to a strong presumption of validity”). The Supreme Court has explained: “This is not a mere polite gesture. It is a deference due to deliberate judgment by constitutional majorities of the two Houses of Congress that an Act is within their delegated power or is necessary and proper to execution of that power.” Five Gambling Devices Labeled in Part .. Mills,” and Bearing Serial Nos. 593-22i, 346 U.S. at 449.

In light of the presumption of constitutionality, it falls to the party seeking to overturn a federal law to show that it is clearly unconstitutional. See, e.g., Salazar v. Buono, 130 S. Ct. 1803, 1820 (20 1 0) (“Respect for a coordinate branch of Govenm1ent forbids striking down an Act of Congress except upon a clear showing of unconstitutionality.”); Beach Communications, Inc. , 508 U.S. at314-15."

Here’s Carney from today’s press briefing, now in his third day of trying to explain how a constitutional law professor could tell the country on Monday that striking down the mandate would be “unprecedented.” He can’t admit the real reason so this will have to do.

Carney (AKA Baghdad Bob) - "President Obama knows the law."


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In other words, the Supreme Court should not even have heard this case, or any other case, much less render judgement on it.
1 posted on 04/05/2012 6:56:06 PM PDT by chessplayer
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To: chessplayer

Mmmm, no. The courts decide whether or not some law is constitutional not the law makers such as congress. Mr. Holder needs a course on Constitutional law as well as Obamalamadingdong.


2 posted on 04/05/2012 7:00:41 PM PDT by SkyDancer (Talent Without Ambition Is Sad - Ambition Without Talent Is Worse)
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To: chessplayer
One of the highly developed talents of President Barack Obama is the ability to say things that are demonstrably false, and make them sound not only plausible but inspiring.

 Sowell

3 posted on 04/05/2012 7:02:09 PM PDT by QT3.14 (How fortunate for governments that the people they administer don't think -- Hitler)
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To: chessplayer

hey, it worked with his birth certificate! I guess he just figured they would just take his word for it with this too!


4 posted on 04/05/2012 7:02:38 PM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Go Newt!)
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To: chessplayer
"Carney (AKA Baghdad Bob) - "President Obama knows the law."

Hell. He doesn't even know (for sure) who his daddy is.

I'm sorry - lost my mind just for a moment. Should be: "He don't know fo sho who his daddy be."
5 posted on 04/05/2012 7:02:41 PM PDT by shibumi (Cover it with gas and set it on fire.)
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To: chessplayer

Mr. Holder arms terrorists and has burned
American children alive.

Of what need has he, or his racist-terrorist DOJ,
ever had for SCOTUS, truth, justice, or the American way.


6 posted on 04/05/2012 7:03:05 PM PDT by Diogenesis ("Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. " Pres. Ronald Reagan)
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And intelligent citizens are to presume that the Affirmative Action, US Attorney General, is an unabashed, in-your face, Commie Racist.


7 posted on 04/05/2012 7:05:09 PM PDT by EyeGuy (2012: When the Levee Breaks)
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Remember these radical leftist utopian hacks live in a false world where right and wrong are defined by their radical agenda, not what is right for America and its laws.

Courts could presume laws to be Constitutional, if we had honest, law and Constitution abiding people creating them. But we don’t— we have Obama and Holder, et al.

So that removes that assumption.


8 posted on 04/05/2012 7:06:56 PM PDT by EagleUSA
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i guess that means laws against illegal immigration and defense of marriage laws are okydoky then too...
9 posted on 04/05/2012 7:07:54 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: chessplayer

FOAD Holder lying sack o sheit.... you will be flushed down the toilet on November 6th 2012 along with your patron Hussein Obama


10 posted on 04/05/2012 7:08:33 PM PDT by dennisw (A nation of sheep breeds a government of Democrat wolves!)
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It is my understanding that our judicial systems must assume that all laws are constitutional until challenged by someone with standing. Otherwise every law passed would have to pass through the judicial system before becoming accepted law.


11 posted on 04/05/2012 7:08:59 PM PDT by doc1019 (Romney will never get my vote!)
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To: chessplayer

In Texas tonight there is an Assistant U.S. Attorney thinking “Why me?!”


12 posted on 04/05/2012 7:10:40 PM PDT by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: chessplayer; All
Forgot to add this little gem:

"Fathom the hypocrisy of a Government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured.......

…. But not everyone must prove they are a citizen."

 Ben Stein

13 posted on 04/05/2012 7:10:41 PM PDT by QT3.14 (How fortunate for governments that the people they administer don't think -- Hitler)
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And intelligent citizens are to presume that the Affirmative Action, US Attorney General, is an unabashed, in-your face, Commie Racist.

I noticed today that Rush was calling him Eric the Red.

14 posted on 04/05/2012 7:12:27 PM PDT by stayathomemom (Beware of kittens modifying your posts.)
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He and his boss are basically daring We th e People to do something about it.


15 posted on 04/05/2012 7:13:16 PM PDT by mo (If you understand, no explanation is needed. If you don't understand, no explanation is possible.)
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To: Chode

It’s all out war now against the SC by obama and the media.


16 posted on 04/05/2012 7:13:45 PM PDT by chessplayer
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To: stayathomemom

I heard that TOO!!! Loved it!


17 posted on 04/05/2012 7:14:17 PM PDT by goodnesswins (2012..."We mutually pledge our Lives, our Fortunes, and our Sacred Honor")
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To: chessplayer

Uh, “presumptively constitutional” is sort of beside the point when the law in question is under active consideration by the Supreme Court. We’re past presumption at that point.


18 posted on 04/05/2012 7:14:40 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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...............................now in his third day of trying to explain how a constitutional law professor could tell the country on Monday that striking down the mandate would be “unprecedented.” .............................

???????A Constitutional Law Professor???? WTF

How about a sometimes substitute law lecturer who lost his license to practice law in his home state!!!


19 posted on 04/05/2012 7:14:43 PM PDT by Noob1999 (Loose Lips, Sink Ships)
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To: doc1019
It is my understanding that our judicial systems must assume that all laws are constitutional until challenged by someone with standing

No. The courts are silent on the question of a law's constitutionality until an appellate court has agreed to adjudicate a case brought by a party with standing to bring suit.

20 posted on 04/05/2012 7:19:22 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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