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Thawing permafrost 50 million years ago led to extreme global warming events
http://phys.org/news ^ | 04-09-2012 | Provided by University of Massachusetts at Amherst

Posted on 04/09/2012 6:18:02 AM PDT by Red Badger

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This is thawing permafrost on the North Slope along the Sagavanirktok River near Deadhorse, Alaska. Credit: Courtesy of Kevin Schaefer of the National Snow and Ice Data Center, University of Colorado Boulder

1 posted on 04/09/2012 6:18:16 AM PDT by Red Badger
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To: SunkenCiv

Ping!..........


2 posted on 04/09/2012 6:19:01 AM PDT by Red Badger (Think logically. Act normally.................)
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To: Red Badger

doomed !!

doomed i tell you !!

we all are


3 posted on 04/09/2012 6:20:55 AM PDT by beebuster2000
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To: Red Badger

Likely not. Looks like a pork project in the making.


4 posted on 04/09/2012 6:23:44 AM PDT by lurk
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To: Red Badger

Wouldn’t it have to warm FIRST in order to melt the permafrost and THEN release the CO2?


5 posted on 04/09/2012 6:24:23 AM PDT by Roccus
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To: Red Badger

OK, so thawing permafrost released CO2.

Now... what caused the permafrost to thaw?


6 posted on 04/09/2012 6:25:58 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: Roccus

That’s what I thought, but I’m not a politically motivated scientist and the GSA did not put me up in a Holiday Inn express.


7 posted on 04/09/2012 6:26:41 AM PDT by 98ZJ USMC
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To: Red Badger

Those damn mammoths and T-rex driving SUVs back then!


8 posted on 04/09/2012 6:26:57 AM PDT by JRios1968 (I'm guttery and trashy, with a hint of lemon. - Laz)
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To: Roccus

I think the point is that orbital fluctuations caused the permafrost to begin melting and that released carbon in the form of methane and other gases that sped up the process in a catastrophic manner.....


9 posted on 04/09/2012 6:27:38 AM PDT by Red Badger (Think logically. Act normally.................)
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To: Roccus

BMTA

Maybe they got their ‘model’ too close to a heating duct.


10 posted on 04/09/2012 6:27:56 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: Red Badger

Two topics: (1) what caused the permafrost to warm and thaw? (2) just because your model fits THESE data, doesn’t mean your model is “true”.

In other words, it drives me nuts when these ‘scientists’ fail to THINK. If the PERMAfrost melted/thawed, then the earth must have ALREADY been warming. If the earth was ALREADY warming, then snow cover would be retreating as well, and the albedo (reflection of IR off snow cover) was decreasing as well.

It defies simple logic to “believe” the premise that CO2 rise precedes temp rise CAUSED by CO2 release. *IF* the PERMA frost is no longer permanent, and thus releasing CO2, then it MUST have been experiencing prior warming? RIIIIGGGHHHTTT?????

This very issue came up with ALGORE’s Inconvenient Truth — the WARMING in his two graph lines PRECEDED CO2 increase by 400 - 1000 YEARS. Geesh, not this crap again.

But, I bet they were well funded in this research ...


11 posted on 04/09/2012 6:28:19 AM PDT by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitur: non vehere est inermus)
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To: UCANSEE2

U


12 posted on 04/09/2012 6:28:31 AM PDT by nixonsnose (Let's see all you lawyers argue your way out of hell.)
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To: Red Badger

The new view is supported by calculations estimating interactions of variables such as greenhouse gas levels, changes in the Earth’s tilt and orbit, ancient distributions of vegetation, and carbon stored in rocks and in frozen soil.

Why do I doubt this math?


13 posted on 04/09/2012 6:29:25 AM PDT by nixonsnose (Let's see all you lawyers argue your way out of hell.)
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To: UCANSEE2
Overall, they conclude, "an orbital-permafrost soil carbon mechanism provides a unifying model accounting for the salient features of the hyperthermals that other previously proposed mechanisms fail to explain."
14 posted on 04/09/2012 6:29:42 AM PDT by Red Badger (Think logically. Act normally.................)
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To: UCANSEE2
OK, so thawing permafrost released CO2. Now... what caused the permafrost to thaw?
His High Asininity, The Great Priest of GloBull himself, Al Gore, tells us that "the relationship between carbon and temperature is complicated..."

That's right, Al baby. Complicated in that CO2 increases generally LAGGED temperature increases by as much as 800 years... throughout the entire history of life on earth.

15 posted on 04/09/2012 6:32:22 AM PDT by samtheman
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To: Red Badger
orbital flucuations

Hmmmm... the Earth is closer to the Sun in WINTER, and further away in SUMMER (or at least for our hemisphere).

16 posted on 04/09/2012 6:32:29 AM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: UCANSEE2

If permafrost releases methane gas when it thaws are those permafarts????


17 posted on 04/09/2012 6:34:02 AM PDT by ImJustAnotherOkie (zerogottago)
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To: UCANSEE2

But it doesn’t stay that way.
The orbit of the earth alters periodically, slowly, over thousands of years, to where the opposite is true for a looooong time until it comes back to the beginning of the cycle............


18 posted on 04/09/2012 6:36:26 AM PDT by Red Badger (Think logically. Act normally.................)
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Thawing permafrost 50 million years ago led to extreme global warming events

Extreme enough to eventually allow the emergence and existence of a human species?

19 posted on 04/09/2012 6:39:41 AM PDT by meadsjn (Sarah 2012, or sooner)
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To: Red Badger
Everyone knows this is false as the only source of global warming is man made CO2. /s
20 posted on 04/09/2012 6:40:31 AM PDT by mountainlion (I am voting for Sarah after getting screwed again by the DC Thugs.)
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