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Many hybrid-car owners buy once -- but not again, Polk study says
LA Times ^ | April 9, 2012, 10:13 a.m. | Jerry Hirsch

Posted on 04/09/2012 3:22:24 PM PDT by dila813

While the choice of fuel-efficient hybrid vehicles for sale in the U.S. continues to grow, more buyers than not are deciding against the technology when they go to buy another car.

Only 35% of hybrid vehicle owners chose to purchase a hybrid again when they returned to the market in 2011, according to auto information company R.L. Polk & Co.

(Excerpt) Read more at latimes.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: electriccars; energy; globalwarming; greencars; greenenergy; hybrids; trends
The best way to judge if something lives up to its hype .... is to see how many are repeat customers..
1 posted on 04/09/2012 3:22:30 PM PDT by dila813
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To: steelyourfaith; Red Badger

Ping.


2 posted on 04/09/2012 3:25:44 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: dila813

repeat customers.

Sounds like the market for hybrids is collapsing


3 posted on 04/09/2012 3:27:46 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: dila813

Our overlords will determine the commerce clause gives them free reign to mandate we must buy hybrids or ev’s as a health care stipulation.


4 posted on 04/09/2012 3:30:04 PM PDT by A message
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5 posted on 04/09/2012 3:30:58 PM PDT by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: A message

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6 posted on 04/09/2012 3:31:52 PM PDT by dila813
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To: dila813
It's not clear to me from this article as to whether these are really "repeat customers."

I don't think that recently purchased hybrid cars are ready to be replaced.

I think these are people who purchased hybrid cars who chose not make their second-car purchase a hybrid, too.

People may be thinking that one hybrid car in the family is enough.

-PJ

7 posted on 04/09/2012 3:41:24 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (If you can vote for President, then your children can run for President.)
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To: dila813

Well one commentor on the article is very optimistic:

“Electric is the wave of the future—coupled with photovoltaic roof panels to charge your car free with the sun forever free of OPEC and Big Oil !!!

By 2018 batteries will be being mass produced with 500 to 1000 mile range and that will KILL the gasoline car forever.”

‘Cause that’ll be the day when I die.


8 posted on 04/09/2012 3:41:54 PM PDT by lacrew (Mr. Soetoro, we regret to inform you that your race card is over the credit limit.)
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To: lacrew

optimistic to the point of Insanity to think a roof panel can power a car.


9 posted on 04/09/2012 3:47:46 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: lacrew
By 2018 batteries will be being mass produced with 500 to 1000 mile range and that will KILL the gasoline car forever.”

He's another stupid liberal commentator! Several years ago, my liberal brother-in-law bet me $100 that electric cars were taking over and that gasoline cars would no longer be sold within 5 years. I'm a couple years away from collecting. I told him gasoline cars would be around another 100 years. No more efficient power source than gasoline exists for cars when cost is factored in. Even when throwing in 10 percent corn ethanol that drives up the cost and reduces efficiency.

10 posted on 04/09/2012 3:50:01 PM PDT by roadcat
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To: dila813
they buy them to feeeeeel good about themselves, then they realize stooopid isn't a good feeling...
11 posted on 04/09/2012 3:50:06 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Chode

Well, I bought a Prius and I’m not stupid. It has cut my gas bill in half...that’s smart.

However, the thing DOES drive like a truck and I find it uncomfortable to drive. Also has a terrible blind spot because of the way it’s built, and quite frankly, it’s ugly as sin! But I’m certainly happy having an extra $200 a month in my wallet every month.


12 posted on 04/09/2012 3:53:48 PM PDT by freepertoo
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To: roadcat
I can only imagine battery powered dragsters on the speedway.

Spectators would no longer need earplugs!

13 posted on 04/09/2012 3:53:55 PM PDT by going hot (Happiness is a momma deuce)
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To: GeronL
optimistic to the point of Insanity to think a roof panel can power a car.

I have a toy hydrogen powered car, bought on sale for $10 marked down from a $130 price. It was supposed to indoctrinate kids about green powered cars. The stupid car takes like an hour to charge in sunlight via a solar panel, creating electricity to make hydrogen from water in a fuel cell, which then runs the car for a few minutes. The toy car was a failure, just like it's big brothers being built for adults. Far better ways to make electricity than solar roof panels.

14 posted on 04/09/2012 3:58:48 PM PDT by roadcat
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To: GeronL
optimistic to the point of Insanity to think a roof panel can power a car.

True. The sunlight energy density isn't there, even if the panel was 100% efficient.

15 posted on 04/09/2012 4:01:03 PM PDT by randog (Tap into America!)
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To: dila813

Never owned a hybrid, but I just got an ‘09 Prius as a company car (it’s a loaner til the new one, a ‘12, comes in in the next couple months or so). I was prepared for a little, silent go cart; in other words, I was prepared to hate it.

Imagine my surprise. That little sucker will s**t ‘n’ git.


16 posted on 04/09/2012 4:10:00 PM PDT by RightOnline (I am Andrew Breitbart!)
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To: GeronL

Does this person realize there isn’t even enough power from the sun hitting that area of their roof the entire day to support the average daily commute even if the solar panels and the batteries had 100% efficiency?


17 posted on 04/09/2012 4:10:23 PM PDT by dila813
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To: dila813

Dude, this is the way a leftist thinks. It’s like magic. They believe in these fantasies they create.


18 posted on 04/09/2012 4:13:23 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: freepertoo
true, not everybody but there must be a lot of them, hence the article... that's why they only buy the first one and don't buy another one

i was speaking in generalities, you prolly bought it to save gas, not the planet like the ones i was referring too

my Hyundai gets 40mpg on a regular gas engine without a turbo and only cost $17,600 loaded, handles well all the time, drives like a sportscar when ask to and looks great

ya don't need a to spend a lot of money on a hybrid to get great mileage

19 posted on 04/09/2012 4:14:11 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Political Junkie Too
People may be thinking that one hybrid car in the family is enough.

As in, "One hybrid car in the family is enough."

20 posted on 04/09/2012 4:22:12 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (I tried to buy a hoodie today but the store manager said they had all been shoplifted.)
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To: dila813

My liberal co worker drove her Prius around for a few years, now drives a Lexus SUV.....she says she wanted more room and felt she did her bit to help the environment....I suspect that could be a reason for the none repeat customer....


21 posted on 04/09/2012 4:44:26 PM PDT by Kimmers (Pray more and shoot straight.........)
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To: dila813
2008 Mercury Mariner Hybrid. Nice car. Never lived up to the fuel savings claims. Towing capacity was 20% of what the previous Escape 4x4 with V6 engine could do. Fuel economy was slightly better, but never enough to repay the difference in acquisition cost. I'm a one time hybrid buyer. Pure gas or diesel next time...if I live that long.
22 posted on 04/09/2012 4:46:48 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: GeronL; randog
optimistic to the point of Insanity to think a roof panel can power a car.

One option of Gen. 3 Prius has solar panels on the roof. However this panel is only used to power fans when the car is parked. I have no idea if it is of any use, though.

That roof panel probably peaks at 200W output, in best conditions. Unless you are 23.5° or closer to the equator, the Sun will be always not in the best position - the roof is not tilted toward the Sun. But even if you can get 200W out of it, a 16 kWh battery in Volt would require 80 hours of optimal conditions to charge. Given that the Sun is not standing still in the sky, the practical answer is that the roof panel would be about sufficient to compensate for self-discharge of Volt's battery.

23 posted on 04/09/2012 4:52:12 PM PDT by Greysard
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To: freepertoo

We have an 05 and an 08 Prius. They are not stylish, but I think they drive great and they have been very dependable. The 05 has about 160K miles and the 08 over 100K. The batteries show no sign of weakening.

Only problem— people think we are liberals.


24 posted on 04/09/2012 5:17:53 PM PDT by NCLaw441
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To: freepertoo

Could have bought a nice VW Jetta/Golf TDI diesel with a 6 speed manual and got the same or better fuel milage and had a heck of a lot more fun driving.

I’ve got 280,000 miles on my 2003 and its still going strong.


25 posted on 04/09/2012 6:10:08 PM PDT by CapnJack
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To: Chode

Speaking of the efficiency of the Prius, isn’t it skinnier and more streamlined than other cars? Wonder how much those two characteristics improve the gas mileage.

I’ll bet simple gasoline-driven prius-sized cars could be made much more efficient (MPG) if a smaller engines were used. They would also be cheaper. I remember that idea being suggested to a GM engineer and he said that the public wouldn’t accept less zippy cars.

I remember also that the Suzuki Samuri, which was banned from the US because it rolled over too easily, was originally designed for 3rd world countries and had a 25 horsepower engine. Someone decided to produce a giant-engine version which was sold in the US. That huge (for the Samuri) engine is what made it tippy.


26 posted on 04/09/2012 6:18:36 PM PDT by cymbeline
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To: dila813

These are the same spawn that spend 150$+ on college, and then can’t figger out why it didn’t work out.


27 posted on 04/09/2012 6:23:03 PM PDT by SgtHooper (The last thing I want to do is hurt you. But it's still on the list.)
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To: Kimmers
My liberal co worker drove her Prius around for a few years, now drives a Lexus SUV.....she says she wanted more room and felt she did her bit to help the environment

Leftists are driven by envy. One of her next door neighbors bought a Lexus SUV and she just couldn't stand it. The effect is so strong I'm surprised car dealers don't direct mail neighbors whenever they make a sale.

28 posted on 04/09/2012 6:32:37 PM PDT by Reeses
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To: dila813
Hybrid vehicles represent just 2.4 percent of the overall new vehicle market

... down from a high of 2.9 percent in 2008 ...

29 posted on 04/09/2012 6:40:15 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: cymbeline
prolly true with those rear wheel skirts and all and it's also true about the power factor

both my Toyota 4-Runner and my Hyundai have an "ECO" button that gets the top mileage, but turn it off... and there is power to spare for their size and they'll haul azz

i'd rather have a car that gets 40mpg but can still act like a sportscar if i ask it to than a car that gets 50+mpg and can't get out of it's own way

a friend had Samurai when i was living on St.Croix and it was a fun little vehicle

30 posted on 04/09/2012 6:43:25 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Chode

“both my Toyota 4-Runner and my Hyundai have an “ECO” button “

What does the button do that increases the fuel economy?


31 posted on 04/10/2012 4:47:19 AM PDT by cymbeline
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To: cymbeline
it adjusts the RPM shift point lower by quite a bit to save gas, turn it off and the engine can go to and past the red line on the tach if you want it to even though there is no reason to since you basically quit making HP at the redline
32 posted on 04/10/2012 4:59:43 AM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: dila813

One wonders about depreciation on new hybrids. When it is sold in 3-4 years isn’t there a big ownership loss that vastly exceeds the fuel savings?

Is there actually a market for used hybrids?

On a commercial hybrid there might be some value to taking the rapid depreciation on the more expensive vehicle


33 posted on 04/10/2012 5:05:41 AM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 ..... Crucifixion is coming)
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To: bert

Toyota expects 150,000 miles from their hybrid battery, at a replacement cost well north of $3000. That’ll suck the winds out of that SALE.


34 posted on 04/10/2012 5:12:32 AM PDT by King Moonracer (Bad lighting and cheap fabric, that's how you sell clothing.....)
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To: All

I had a co-worker that purchased a hybrid for the HOV privileges. It became so popular that they took away the HOV exemption and now it’s not worth buying anymore.

The attraction only lasts as long as the government provides incentive to drive an overpriced, underpowered vehicle.


35 posted on 04/10/2012 5:24:26 AM PDT by newnhdad (Where will you be during the Election Riots of 2012/2013?)
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To: Chode
i'd rather have a car that gets 40mpg but can still act like a sportscar if i ask it to than a car that gets 50+mpg and can't get out of it's own way

There are small hobby jet engines now used in remote control toy airplanes. If the Volt had gone for a small 40 horsepower jet engine instead of a conventional motor it could have been a hit for the cool factor alone. It also would have been lighter and more reliable. In combination with the battery it could have had drag racer acceleration. But that will never be a Government Motors design.

36 posted on 04/10/2012 8:07:25 AM PDT by Reeses
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To: bert

I would be afraid to buy a used one, the batteries are getting better but the batteries on the current hybrids have to be replaced when they wear out at a large expense.


37 posted on 04/10/2012 8:13:45 AM PDT by dila813
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To: GeronL

“optimistic to the point of Insanity to think a roof panel can power a car.”

Actually, it could.

Disclaimer: it will take a month for that roof panel to charge up the battery. :-)


38 posted on 04/10/2012 12:33:25 PM PDT by TexasRepublic (Socialism is the gospel of envy and the religion of thieves)
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To: Reeses
cool... now that's what i call thinking outside the box!!!
39 posted on 04/10/2012 3:18:38 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Political Junkie Too
I don't think that recently purchased hybrid cars are ready to be replaced.

That seems like the most likely interpretation. Usually people who want a second car while the first is still up and running need one economical running-around-town car and one heavy-duty cargo-hauler.

40 posted on 04/10/2012 3:19:47 PM PDT by Only Sane Man
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To: dila813
Does this person realize there isn’t even enough power from the sun hitting that area of their roof the entire day to support the average daily commute even if the solar panels and the batteries had 100% efficiency?

Precisely. The battery technology can be tweaked to work off the rough edges, but there's no tweaking the laws of physics. The greenie-weenies just need to get over their peasant superstitions about nuclear power.

41 posted on 04/10/2012 3:20:17 PM PDT by Only Sane Man
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To: dila813

FNC ran another story on this today. Here’s how nuts the hybrid craze is...for comparison:

I spent $6200 on my old ‘87 T-Bird last year — new heads, headers, duals, pistons, valve springs, new(er) cam and intake. According to the trip computer, highway gas mileage jumped from 24mpg to 27mpg (which is what a 5.0L version was rated for when new). If I took all of my tools out of the trunk, I bet I could get it to 28mpg.

The car is old, so a few years ago I spent $5200 and had it repainted had all rust fixed (done correctly — two primer coats, with acid etching and sanding in between, then paint + clear coating).

So for a total of about $11,500 the car has basically been reset. What do hybrids cost again?


42 posted on 05/12/2012 5:21:08 PM PDT by Windcatcher (Obama is a COMMUNIST and the MSM is his armband-wearing propaganda machine.)
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To: Windcatcher

Pictures please!


43 posted on 05/12/2012 5:28:08 PM PDT by Chickensoup (STOP The Great O-pression.)
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To: Chickensoup
These were taken in 2009 after the repaint but before the engine mods. Outwardly it look the same today except it sits a little higher in the rear (new rear control arms), it has duals, and I moved the fog lights forward to be flush with the air dam.

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44 posted on 05/12/2012 6:26:01 PM PDT by Windcatcher (Obama is a COMMUNIST and the MSM is his armband-wearing propaganda machine.)
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To: Windcatcher

With or without the crony hook-ups from politicians?


45 posted on 05/13/2012 8:36:38 AM PDT by dila813
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To: Windcatcher

What a beautiful car and great job keeping it up to snuff.


46 posted on 05/13/2012 1:47:44 PM PDT by Chickensoup (STOP The Great O-pression.)
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