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Bill Cosby's opinion on guns in Trayvon Martin case shows hypocrisy of elites
Gun Rights Examiner ^ | 9 April, 2012 | David Codrea

Posted on 04/10/2012 6:31:39 AM PDT by marktwain

“When you carry a gun, you mean to harm somebody, kill somebody,” Bill Cosby claimed in a Friday interview with Deborah Simmons of The Washington Times.

“We’ve got to get the gun out of the hands of people who are supposed to be on neighborhood watch,” the comedian, actor and commentator advocated in his first public comments on the Trayvon Martin shooting.

“Without a gun, I don’t see Mr. Zimmerman approaching Trayvon by himself,” he declared.

Celebrity status and the ability to have his views shared with millions notwithstanding, there are more than a few problems with that opinion. First, being careful not to fall in with the rush to judgment Cosby seems caught up by, credible reports say it was Martin who approached Zimmerman “by himself”—and “without a gun.”

Then there are the reports that Cosby himself had obtained one of New York City’s rare, reserved for the rich, famous, powerful and connected concealed gun permits, joining other celebrities like Robert DeNiro, Howard Stern and Donald Trump. Assuming the accounts in the New York Observer and Boston Globe were accurate, has he since renounced the personal practice? And when he did carry a gun, did he “mean to harm somebody, kill somebody”?

Did doing so compel him to approach potential threats “by himself”?

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: banglist; constitution; cosby; gun; trayvonmartin
While Bill Cosby has had some credibility for promoting responsibility within the black community, he is outside his area of expertise with these comments.
1 posted on 04/10/2012 6:31:55 AM PDT by marktwain
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To: marktwain
“When you carry a gun, you mean to harm somebody, kill somebody.”

Yes. Somebody who intends to kill your children and your wife.

2 posted on 04/10/2012 6:38:42 AM PDT by Savage Beast ("The future belongs to the fertile." -Allendale)
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To: marktwain

“Without a gun, I don’t see Mr. Zimmerman approaching Trayvon by himself,” he declared.

He’s right about that. What Mr. Cosby fails to understand is that it would have also detered Zimmerman if Martin was an actual burglar.

Guns are the great equalizer. Just ask any feminist with a gun in her purse.


3 posted on 04/10/2012 6:39:36 AM PDT by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: marktwain

Carrying a sidearm doesn’t make you aggressive, any more than a pocketknife or a pipewrench. Guns are a great equalizer. A young punk may be faster than I am, he may be stronger than I am; but in the eyes of my 9mm, we are equal.

I don’t want to make a mess, and do a bunch of paperwork; so I keep my gun to myself. But, if forced to defend myself, doing paperwork tomorrow is better than being dead today.


4 posted on 04/10/2012 6:39:53 AM PDT by Hodar ( Who needs laws; when this FEELS so right?)
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To: marktwain

I always marvel at gun control advocates. In order to believe that gun control will prevent crimes, you have to believe that criminals will follow the law. Which, in essence, means you have to be completely illogical and irrational to imagine the law doing anything more than disarming the law-abiding populace.


5 posted on 04/10/2012 6:43:37 AM PDT by HGSW0904
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To: Hodar

“I don’t want to make a mess, and do a bunch of paperwork; so I keep my gun to myself. But, if forced to defend myself, doing paperwork tomorrow is better than being dead today.”

Well said!


6 posted on 04/10/2012 6:45:37 AM PDT by MNGal
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To: marktwain

Bill Cosby huh? What else would we expect. One carry’s a gun for protection just as Cosby did by carrying a gun in NYC, and had the permit to carry. Did he then mean that he was out to kill somebody. I doubt it. Cosby talking out both sides of his mouth.


7 posted on 04/10/2012 6:47:14 AM PDT by Spike the punch
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To: marktwain
If Bill Cosby's son had carried a gun, he might be alive today.

Oh. Sorry. Too soon?

8 posted on 04/10/2012 6:49:02 AM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Texas Eagle)
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To: Savage Beast

Cosby, especially, should understand this concept: his son was killed with a handgun while minding his own business. He was an exceptionally intelligent and gifted young man, killed by a punk who wanted to rob him and his friends.


9 posted on 04/10/2012 6:51:28 AM PDT by jagusafr ("Write in Palin and prepare for war...")
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To: marktwain

“When you carry a gun, you mean to harm somebody, kill somebody,”

Only a person in the immediate act of attempting to harm or kill me or those in my family, where other means of protection of escape cannot be employed.


10 posted on 04/10/2012 6:51:47 AM PDT by theBuckwheat
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To: marktwain
If Bill Cosby's son had carried a gun, he might be alive today.

Oh. Sorry. Too soon?

Oops. Let me try that again. This time with a link to the story.

Bill Cosby's Son Killed While Changing A Tire

11 posted on 04/10/2012 6:52:04 AM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Texas Eagle)
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To: Texas Eagle

I remember some years back when Rosie O’Donnell made a huge issue that Walmart carried bullets etc... She used the whole libtard philosophy that guns kill people, blah, blah and blah. It was then “learned” that her bodyguards were armed while protecting her and her children. Loaded guns! Once again, it is a “I’m more important and my family is more valuable” than yours... Hypocrites.


12 posted on 04/10/2012 6:54:38 AM PDT by momtothree
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To: marktwain
“We’ve got to get the gun out of the hands of people who are supposed to be on neighborhood watch,” the comedian, actor and commentator advocated in his first public comments on the Trayvon Martin shooting.

Sometimes Cosby's humor is too sophisticated for me. Goes right over my head. Somebody care to explain this bit to me?

On second thought, never mind. Whenever you have to explain a joke it loses...oops...looses its funniness.

13 posted on 04/10/2012 6:55:57 AM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Texas Eagle)
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To: momtothree; marktwain
Perhaps somebody could ping Mr. Jello Pudding For Brains to this thread:

Two Intruders Break In, Woman Finds Gun, Kills One(MO)

14 posted on 04/10/2012 7:01:45 AM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Texas Eagle)
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To: marktwain

“When you carry a gun, you mean to harm somebody, kill somebody,”

Cosby is wealthy enough to enjoy “security”, meaning bodyguards, when the circumstances indicate it. The little people don’t have the means and must fend for themselves.

I think that Cosby hasn’t realized that there is a difference between defense and offense. Surely over the several decades that Cosby been a well-earned celebrity, he has been under the protection of armed security personnel. So who exactly is the “you” in his complaint? Is “you” the average person just wanting to exercise his unalienable right of self-defense? Of is “you” the little people who must all be denied arms because someone might do something that Cosby disapproves of? Surely “you” is not the criminal or murderer.


15 posted on 04/10/2012 7:02:03 AM PDT by theBuckwheat
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To: marktwain

I’m willing to overlook Mr Cosby’s obviously emotional statement because he’s done much good. Liberal (therefore stupid) statements do him no good, but given that he lost his son to a gunman (who would have had the gun with or without “gun control”) - we should give him some slack.


16 posted on 04/10/2012 7:08:52 AM PDT by Da Coyote
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To: jagusafr
I understand the reasons for wanting to get guns out of the hands of criminals and irresponsible people; I want to do that too. But--OBVIOUSLY--to disarm good and responsible citizens would leave them vulnerable to evil people--including those who have empowered themselves with government authority.

Those who would disarm the population ignore the fact that evil people exist in the world. Most people are good people, but to ignore the fact that evil, including evil people, exists is dangerous folly.

Certainly Cosby speaks from painful experience. His loss is understood by all good people who have children. It's a loss that one can never fully recover from. I do understand. I understand how overwhelmingly tragic this is. I have children, and I know what Cosby's tragedy means.

But it would make the tragedy even worse if innocent people were rendered helpless to protect their children because of it.

17 posted on 04/10/2012 7:13:49 AM PDT by Savage Beast ("The future belongs to the fertile." -Allendale)
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To: marktwain
“When you carry a gun, you mean to harm somebody, kill somebody,”

A false premise. Carrying a gun for protection is not carrying a gun to commit murder or manslaughter.

18 posted on 04/10/2012 7:20:10 AM PDT by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: marktwain
Maybe Zimmerman was more bold because he had a gun (I know I would be) but that is not relevant at all to the fact that a young budding thug was casing the neighborhood in the dark, in the rain, walking on the grass between buildings, long AFTER the time he was supposedly going to the store to ‘buy skittles”

So... one successful neighborhood watch, in my opinion, one dead thug, and probably stopped a burglary

19 posted on 04/10/2012 7:23:48 AM PDT by Mr. K (If Romney wins the primary, I am writing-in PALIN)
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To: marktwain

No Bill, I aim to defend myself.

Bill, would you be happier, or even noticed if Martin had beaten Zimmerman to death?


20 posted on 04/10/2012 7:30:12 AM PDT by G Larry (We are NOT obliged to carry the snake in our pocket and then dismiss the bites as natural behavior.)
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To: marktwain

I don’t agree with his overall argument, but I think he’s spot on with his comment:

If Zimmermand didn’t have a gun he wouldn’t have approached Trayvon.

I absolutely believe that to be a correct statement. Zimmermans actions created and escalated the situation, needlessly, and I have no doubt the gun in his posession contributed to his repeated and escalatingly stupid decisions.


21 posted on 04/10/2012 7:33:46 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: marktwain
“Without a gun, I don’t see Mr. Zimmerman approaching Trayvon by himself,” he declared.

Why not? I see the pictures on the TV and in the newspaper every day. Kid was 12 years old and real innocent-looking.

22 posted on 04/10/2012 7:35:50 AM PDT by SamuraiScot
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To: marktwain

Just had to know that the anti-self defense loons would make an appearance.


23 posted on 04/10/2012 7:36:03 AM PDT by junta ("Peace is a racket", testimony from crime boss Barrack Hussein Obama.)
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To: HamiltonJay

“If Zimmermand didn’t have a gun he wouldn’t have approached Trayvon.”

When did you see Zimmerman approach Trayvon?


24 posted on 04/10/2012 7:43:04 AM PDT by whatexit
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To: HamiltonJay

Uh oh! You stepped in it now. Put on your flame retardant clothing quick! Also, I’m glad you know exactly what happened. Have you filed your affidavit yet.


25 posted on 04/10/2012 7:46:36 AM PDT by Codeflier (Bush, Clinton, Bush, Obama - 4 democrat presidents in a row and counting...)
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To: marktwain

Some people just won’t be happy until we are all disarmed, at the mercy of the lawless, and easy prey for the savages. God forbid law-abiding citizens should be able to protect themselves.


26 posted on 04/10/2012 7:47:35 AM PDT by mrsmel
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To: Da Coyote

I admire Bill Cosby, too, and can see where he’s coming from as it relates to his loss of his son. The Trayvon thing is a tragedy all around. From indications on various blogs he was headed in the wrong direction, but he was so young there was hope he could have turned it around as he matured. Zimmerman must now wish he was just carrying around pepper spray or a taser, but if you are facing deadly force, you respond in kind. This is one of those occasions were you can see both sides. One young man’s life is ended, and another young man’s life is ruined. Sad.
Using these circumstances to further racial division in the country (Obummer, Sharpton, Jackson, and their kind) is abhorrent.


27 posted on 04/10/2012 7:49:56 AM PDT by kiltie65 (ui)
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To: G Larry
Bill, would you be happier, or even noticed if Martin had beaten Zimmerman to death?

It would be a non-event and unworthy of media attention, as are the many many rapes, murders, and assaults where the victim is white (or "perceived" as white). Even those which especially savage and brutal, such as the elderly couple in Tulsa or the college couple in Knoxville.
28 posted on 04/10/2012 7:52:25 AM PDT by mrsmel
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To: marktwain

I lost what little respect I had for Cosby when he bought himself the Ed.D degree and started putting a Dr. in front of his name. An Ed.D is not a Ph.D and Cosby’s was bought with donations anyway. Typical emotion driven fact devoid hypocritical libtard.


29 posted on 04/10/2012 7:54:37 AM PDT by MtBaldy (If Obama is the answer, it must have been a really stupid question)
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To: HamiltonJay
Zimmermans actions created and escalated the situation, needlessly, and I have no doubt the gun in his posession contributed to his repeated and escalatingly stupid decisions.

From the 911 audio, it's clear that Zimmerman did the right thing. The audio makes it clear that it's a media lie that Zimmermman kept pursuing Martin after talking to the operator. And we know he wound up back at his truck, where he started. How did he get back there, unless he walked back, as the breathing and conversation on the audio suggest? That means St. Trayvon had to have doubled back and followed him there.

Neighborhood Watch is more responsible for the overall decline in crime in America in the last several decades than any initiatives by our well-financed police SWAT teams.

30 posted on 04/10/2012 7:55:36 AM PDT by SamuraiScot
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To: whatexit

Hmm.. let me see, he left his car, he admits pursuing him on foot, that’s pretty much proof he approached Trayvon.

Nothing I have read or heard alleges Trayvon walked up to Zimmerman’s car, dragged him from it physically and started beating him.

Zimmerman’s an idiot, and he was an idiot with a gun who did repeatedly dumber things that lead to the situation that occurred, pure and simple.


31 posted on 04/10/2012 7:56:14 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: HamiltonJay
New Headline for this story

Bill Cosby's credibly destroyed

32 posted on 04/10/2012 8:02:41 AM PDT by TYVets (Pure-Gas.org ..... ethanol free gasoline by state and city)
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To: SamuraiScot

Zimmerman left his car, you can spin that any way you like, but he left his car and did pursue the kid, he escalated a situation against the advice of the police. He did repeatedly dumb things that escalated a situation needlessly.

Who is saying neighborhood watch is a bad thing? I never suggested it. However when someone does something stupid, and they do it with a gun in their hand, I am not going to knee jerk to defend their stupidity just because I am a firm believer in the 2nd ammendment. Here’s the truth, not every gun owner is responsible, and like it or not, there are idiots out there with guns who do incredibly stupid things with them. When they do stupid things with them, they don’t deserve defended, they deserve being called an idiot.

Neighborhood Watch guidelines in any NWO I’ve been involved with is to report, not to pursue.. So don’t try to spin Zimmermans idiotic actions as good and proper NW procedures. He was advised to not do what he did, he did it anyway, and he had a right to, but his stupidity in doing so is something you can’t white wash away. That action and actions that followed lead to what happened. Cause and effect folks, zimmerman calls the cops, stays in his car, and lets them handle it, this situation never happens. Trying to argue otherwise is a fools errand.

Zimmerman escalated the situation, did he throw the first punch? Who knows, the neighbor hood watch guys and ex con with a past, and the kid was a wanna be thug, and dead. So, its a he said she said on who threw the first punch. However Zimmerman did indeed, leave his vehicle and pursue the kid, against advice. Phone records confirm he was on the phone with his girlfriend around the time of this, and her testimony, whether you believe it or not, is the altercation began while she was on the phone and that Trayvon was being tailed and followed by Zimmerman.. Again, she could be lying completely, but the times of the phone call do confirm this. Zimmerman left his car, pursued this kid, and honestly, anyone tailing me at night, I’m not exactly going to think they have the best of intentions either.

Zimmerman mad repeatedly dumb decisions, and having a gun in his posession probably emboldened him to make those bad decisions. I don’t think that’s a wrong supposition, and I agree with that part of what Cosby stated.


33 posted on 04/10/2012 8:09:38 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: SamuraiScot

Just because Zimmerman was trying to keep eyes on Martin, doesn’t mean he was pursuing him, it doesn’t mean he was “escalating” the situation, he was trying to get information for the dispatcher.

That Martin, felt emboldened enough to double back and confront Zimmerman instead of just returning home, tells me much about his “character”.

It’s obvious by the fact that he was able to “lose” Zimmerman that he could have physically run circles around Zimmerman and made it home safely.

But he didn’t. Why?


34 posted on 04/10/2012 8:23:24 AM PDT by SZonian (Throwing our allegiances to political party's in the long run gave away our liberty.)
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To: HamiltonJay
its a he said she said on who threw the first punch.

You are wrong in your conclusions because they were both "he". Only one of them said anything.

He said he got a sucker punch. Did he sucker punch himself?

35 posted on 04/10/2012 9:54:23 AM PDT by Dan(9698)
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To: HamiltonJay

So you didn’t then. Ok.


36 posted on 04/10/2012 10:00:15 AM PDT by whatexit
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To: Savage Beast

Yes. Somebody who intends to kill your children and your wife.
Agree it’s why the good guy’s own a gun you get the white hat and not a hoodie.


37 posted on 04/10/2012 10:03:21 AM PDT by Vaduz
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To: HamiltonJay
Zimmerman did indeed, leave his vehicle and pursue the kid, against advice.

Everything turns on this assertion, which is repeated daily in the state-run media. But there's actually no evidence for it, as Ann Coulter pointed out in a recent column. The sounds on the 911 audio actually indicate the opposite. The dispatcher asks Zimmerman if he's following the subject, and when Zimmerman replies that he is, says, "We don't need you to do that." Immediately, Zimmerman, who has been breathing heavily as if trotting or running, starts breathing normally. Then he explains the situation in response to the dispatcher's next questions in a normal voice. And then he's back at his truck, which is where the fight and shooting take place.

Listen to the audio. Not only did Zimmerman break off his pursuit when the dispatcher suggested it, but somehow, afterwards, Trayvon made his way over to Zimmerman's truck, since that's where he got shot. He was more of a stalker than Zimmerman. This is probably why there was no chance of charging Zimmerman with murder, and the grand jury wasn't empaneled.

38 posted on 04/10/2012 10:40:21 AM PDT by SamuraiScot
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To: theBuckwheat
When you carry a gun, you mean to harm somebody, kill somebody

That's as bad as saying you wear a seatbelt because you're planning on being in an accident. One wears a seatbelt in case there is a situation which requires the safety of the belt. I adopt that same analogy as to why I legally carry.
39 posted on 04/10/2012 11:23:07 AM PDT by freebird5850 (Of course Obama loves his country...but I love the United States of America.)
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To: HamiltonJay
"he escalated a situation against the advice of the police."

There's a lot that isn't known about the Martin/Zimmerman encounter, but there are facts that are known. Cold hard facts. When you said Zimmerman acted against the "advice of the police" was the point at which I realized you don't know the most basic, cold, hard facts.

Zimmerman didn't speak with the police. What other 'facts' do you know that aren't true?

40 posted on 04/10/2012 3:47:39 PM PDT by Scoutmaster (You knew the job was dangerous when you took it)
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To: HamiltonJay

I need to apologize for my last comment. If the 911 dispatcher was a police 911 dispatcher, then you’re justified in calling him the police. I apologize.


41 posted on 04/10/2012 3:51:45 PM PDT by Scoutmaster (You knew the job was dangerous when you took it)
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To: Scoutmaster

“I need to apologize for my last comment. If the 911 dispatcher was a police 911 dispatcher, then you’re justified in calling him the police. I apologize”

Actually you don’t need to apologize. Zimmerman spoke to a Police Dept. civilian EMPLOYEE. An employee that was not a sworn police officer and has no more authority than I do to tell anyone to do anything. Something the dispatcher apparently knew too. His comment was phrased as a suggestion, “We don’t need you to do that”, because suggests is all he could do. Besides the fact Zimmerman was not ordered to do anything the tape makes it pretty clear he heeded the dispatcher’s advice when he replied, “Ok”.


42 posted on 04/11/2012 9:52:37 AM PDT by MtBaldy (If Obama is the answer, it must have been a really stupid question)
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