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Case of man shot at 90 times on freeway 'tragic,' LAPD says
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/ ^ | April 13, 2012 | | http://latimesblogs.latimes.com

Posted on 04/13/2012 9:53:42 AM PDT by dragnet2

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To: Obadiah
Reminds me of this scene from the movie...

I'm thinking of L.A. Story, where there is some annual "open shooting" day on the thruway.

41 posted on 04/13/2012 10:33:19 AM PDT by C210N (Mitt "Severe Etch-a-Sketch" mcRominate-me)
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To: Molon Labbie
Folks, as someone as who as been in few high speed pursuits, I would like to share some of the insights of such.

It sounds like you should stop running from police and be thankful the police are such bad shops.

PS - Training is suppose to significantly reduce the effect you describe. Your suggestion supports an argument that police can't be trusted to act reasonably or professionally in high stress situations.

42 posted on 04/13/2012 10:37:18 AM PDT by Tenacious 1 (With regards to the GOP: I am prodisestablishmentarianistic!)
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To: dragnet2

Let the riots begin.


43 posted on 04/13/2012 10:38:43 AM PDT by Navy Patriot (Join the Democrats, it's not Fascism when WE do it and the law is what WE say it is.)
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To: dragnet2

Seems like a “good shooting,” in the sense of being entirely justified by what was known at the time.

It’s only a “tragedy” in that the young man probably was mentally ill. It’s a shame he had to have a meltdown like this.


44 posted on 04/13/2012 10:41:50 AM PDT by pogo101
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To: himno hero
Takes but one shot to take the man down ~ or kill him.

Sometimes one rounds is enough, some times one round isn't enough. People don't always die after being shot even when shot in the head.

45 posted on 04/13/2012 10:44:11 AM PDT by Ajnin (Neca eos omnes. Deus suos agnocet!)
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To: dragnet2

Abdul Arian - Sounds like a made up name. Like Orangello or Lemonjello


46 posted on 04/13/2012 10:45:56 AM PDT by BO Stinkss
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To: dragnet2

Most of them shoot Glocks, so it’s unsurprising that most of them also don’t know how to shoot at all.


47 posted on 04/13/2012 10:48:03 AM PDT by Goldsborough
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To: Obadiah
When the first 75 or so rounds don’t do the job.

Yeah, well, there's always the case of Mark Essex - "An autopsy later revealed more than 200 gunshot wounds." -Wiki

Not that Essex didn't have it coming, but...I remember reading in a true crime book that during the hunt, some cops were wounded by ricochets from the amount of rounds that they were pouring into an enclosed area.

48 posted on 04/13/2012 10:50:10 AM PDT by Calvin Locke
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To: Tenacious 1; Molon Labbie
Your suggestion supports an argument that police can't be trusted to act reasonably or professionally

I understand with what you're saying and tend to agree somewhat.

I used to be 100+ percent pro-law enforcement etc...Sadly, my trust has diminished substantially.

To be perfectly honest, I no longer trust government or their agents.

49 posted on 04/13/2012 10:51:07 AM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dragnet2
he turned again and assumed what police called a "shooting stance." He appeared to wield a weapon. His uncle believed it was a cellphone.

I'm reminded of the process of natural selection. Hopefully he hadn't bred yet.

50 posted on 04/13/2012 10:51:22 AM PDT by McGruff (Don't go wobbly on me now Newt. You're our only hope.)
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To: Molon Labbie
Driving back to college one day I heard a notice on the radio that the Indianapolis cops were in pursuit of some guys fleeing south on Madison Avenue ~ so watch out because shots were being fired.

There I was on Indiana 37, one of the routes that road merged into at several points so I decided to pull over behind some trees along the highway until this was over. Just then I saw them coming in my rear view mirror ~ made it behind the trees just in time ~ and they were shooting at each other!

While I crawled down as deep as I could get in the compartment in front of the seats ~ talk about heart beats and adrenalin ~ I was still jumped up the next day!

51 posted on 04/13/2012 10:53:56 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Goldsborough

LOL!


52 posted on 04/13/2012 10:55:38 AM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Obadiah

Reminds me of a New Orleans shootout back around 1972 or 73.

A perp shot several cops. took refuge in the top of a cement enclosed elevator shaft. Cops continued to fire on the cement encased shaft.

Man runs from the building, is shot. Is there a second perp?

Cops throw hundreds of more rounds at the room. Then in a wild dash dozens of them rush from the stairway to the shaft firing as fast as they can. Cops are hit by police fire and fall. The elevator shaft room is empty.

All caught on live TV.


53 posted on 04/13/2012 11:06:10 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar
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To: dragnet2

It will be impossible to determine the actual kill shot, minimizing an individual officer’s liability.


54 posted on 04/13/2012 11:06:22 AM PDT by vortec94
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To: Goldsborough

I resent that remark. Why I oughta...


55 posted on 04/13/2012 11:09:32 AM PDT by Obadiah
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To: muawiyah
There I was on Indiana 37, one of the routes that Madison Ave merged into at several points so I decided to pull over behind some trees along the highway until this was over.

One of your Roads is wrong in your post. I was trying to picture where this happened as I don't recall it. I assume you were headed south to Bloomington (returning to college). It sounds exciting but Madison Avenue doesn't cross or merge into 37.

Maybe it was long before I was conceived. I was born and raised on the South Side. :o)

56 posted on 04/13/2012 11:13:06 AM PDT by Tenacious 1 (With regards to the GOP: I am prodisestablishmentarianistic!)
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To: dragnet2

Considering the financial condition of the Calefornia, somebody ought to get charged with wasting state resources or environmental contamination.
You can bet they would shoot better if the Police Union got fined for every miss.


57 posted on 04/13/2012 11:15:49 AM PDT by Steamburg (The contents of your wallet is the only language Politicians understand.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

You can’t blame the cops for taking the guy down, but for firing off 90 rounds, maybe a different answer.


58 posted on 04/13/2012 11:15:49 AM PDT by Mr. Lucky
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

You can’t blame the cops for taking the guy down, but for firing off 90 rounds, maybe a different answer.


59 posted on 04/13/2012 11:16:10 AM PDT by Mr. Lucky
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To: Tenacious 1

I was the pursuer, not the pursued. Sorry that was not clear enough for you.

As far as your training comment, there is no current training regimen that I am aware of that can prepare an officer to calmly shoot the X ring out while their heart rate is at 220+ bpm and has been for 15 minutes. Been in the business for 15 years and eight years prior military experience. Other than something I read on the SF Q course, where Green Beret candidates did a force road march with a weps qual at the end and were given one minute to get their heart rate under control before the qual, I never had any training in Army Infantry on heart rate control either. Truth is, in these situations your fine motor control is shot to hell, and that is what primarily helps you to shoot accurately.

A wise senior NCO told me once that “You may have been trained in the “one shot, one kill” doctrine but the realities of combat are much different. This is why we give you six hundred rounds of ammo and coin phrases such as “suppressive fire.”


60 posted on 04/13/2012 11:21:24 AM PDT by Molon Labbie (A Bounty on Zimmerman, Can Be A Bounty On ANYONE. No NBPP Mob Justice!)
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