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To: DoughtyOne

and if Obama gets in you;ll NEVER have conservative principals to worry about ever again because this will be a Socialist toilet of a country by then . This is NOT the election to sit out or vote for someone who CAN NOT WIN. It’s Obama or Romney THATS IT . Think about it


2,053 posted on 04/14/2012 9:36:51 PM PDT by sonic109 (no compromise with Marxist)
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To: sonic109

Read through the last 200 posts Mittster. We covered this to death.


2,055 posted on 04/14/2012 9:38:22 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: sonic109

Me thinks sonic109 is going sub-sonic and fixing to stall out...........Real bad.


2,065 posted on 04/14/2012 9:45:02 PM PDT by The Cajun (Palin, Free Republic, Mark Levin, Newt......Nuff said.)
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To: sonic109; oneaglewings
I can't say that you both are wrong, because you both evidence sound reasoned logic.  As far as your arguments go, I understand you and agree with you.  Unfortunately the sound logic you present here is the code Conservatives have operated under for decades.  So I ask you now, has our nation grown stronger over those decades?  At some point we have to be honest with ourselves.  For me, the answere is a clear, "No."

So instead of saying you are wrong, I want to give you something to think about.  Perhaps it will help you see things a little differently.

What we have been trying hasn't worked.  We slide farther left every single year.  At some point this has to stop, or we lose the nation we love no matter which party is in power.  Take a good look at Mitt Romney and tell me he could have been elected president in 1990, 1980, 1970, 1960... I don't think he could.  His stance on certain fundamental rights is screwed up.  On just one topic alone, I can't vote for him.  He's a gun control advocate.  Bad as that is, it runs much deeper.  I don't need to tell you about all of it.  You know what I'm talking about.

Carter was universally scorned in 1980.  Obama, arguably much worse, isn't.  He is still wildly popular with the Left.  Has our nation changed?  It's my take that it is undeniably worse and in danger of cratering if we don't change direction.  And where is the voice of the loyal opposition?  That's right... crickets.

For this reason, I simply cannot fall back on the lesser of two evils rule of thumb we have always fallen back on.  I say this because IT IS NOT a change of direction.  If that hasn't worked, and it clearly hasn't, what reasoned argument is there for doing it again now?  Well, to my way of thinking there is no reasoned argument other than the ones that have always been used to advocate for it.  And that tactic having failed, the arguments in support of it have also failed.  We have tried this and failed.  So now we must come up with something different.  I, for one, will not sit by and play the business as usual game.

Here's the political spectrum we should be operating under.

1780 [
L---------c---------R]

This is the political spectrum that would reveal us to be adhering to our Founding Father's vision and our Founding Documents.  This is precisely what the goal of Conservatives should be, to return to this model, and to do it as rapidly as possible.  Are we trending back toward that model?

I see something like this.


1980 [L---d---r-c---------R] *
1984 [L--d----r-c---------R] *
1988 [L--d---r--c---------R] *
1992 [L--d---r--c---------R]
1996 [L--d---r--c---------R]
2000 [L--d--r---c---------R] *
2004 [L-d--r----c---------R] *
2008 [Ld--r-----c---------R]
2012 [Ld--r-----c---------R]

With the exception of Ronald Reagan in 1980 - 1988, we have been spoon fed our candidates.  I'm not saying the spoon fed us the exact candidate, but they did take advantage of trends to make sure what types of candidates would get the nomination.  How did the RNC manage that?  It allowed it's Primaries to be held under conditions that made it possible for Democrats to participate in the Republican nomination process.  Did anyone think that was going to give us more Conservative candidates?  No, it was a given that we were going to get more Leftists.  And more Leftists we got.

The RNC also continually talked up our more Leftist candidates, and made it clear they frowned on our more Conservative ones.

Several years ago Californians voted to open up their primary process.  California Democrats can now vote for Republican nominees too.  Did the Republican leadership fight this?  No.  It was absolutely mute regarding this ballot initiative.  (This may only apply to state-wide candidates at this point, but that's also very bad.)

Why would the Republican Party do this?  For some time the leadership has been convinced that the nation was heading Left, and it didn't see any possibility of Conservatives being elected.  Rather than look at our rich history and notice that our widest victories were realized when we played on our differences with Leftist policy, they decided to adopt more Leftist policy in an attempt to look more appealing.

Look at the graph above, and see how that worked out for us.  Ronald Reagan was our last president who won with a large margin of victory.  Starting with the elder Bush, that margin either disappeared completely or was so razor thin that we had a public percecption of a Constitutional crises arise in the aftermath of two elections.

Moving to the Left only assured us that the real Democrats would get support.  Why vote for a moderate Leftist when you can vote for the real thing?  Did the RNC learn anything from McCain?  No.  Here we go again with Rove, Card, and the usual suspects trashing better candidates and singing praised to Romney from the get-go.

And so we have come to the point in our nation's history, where the Repbulican party is now willing to promote people who don't give a damn about our sovereignty, our Founding Documents, the sanctity of life, our Second Amendment Rights, and more.  At what point do we admit we have full blown Leftists running for office in our party, and refuse to play along any longer?

If Romney were running as a Democrat there isn't even the remotest of chances that you would vote for the man.  But now, because he's running against Obama, you entertain the thought.  And what happens in 2016, when a member of Hamas runs and our guy is only as bad as Obama?  Do we then vote for the mirror image of him? 

Look folks, at some point we have to let the (R) party know, that they have jumped the shark, and we can no longer support what they want us to.  You see, if we don't, we'll forever be voting for McCains, Romney's, and worse of their ilk. 

If they can get a Leftist like Romney elected, it's effectively the end of Conservatism.  No Conservative will ever get the nomination again.  Should that be our goal?  No.

Why do I say that there will never be another Conservative nominee in the future?  Take a look at this election cycle, and realize it only gets worse from here if Romney can get elected without the Conservative vote.

I hope you'll join me in sending a message to the Republican party.  That message states these things...

1. I will not vote for Leftists(R)
2. I will no longer support the perpetual movement of this nation to the Left
3. I will no longer remain an active member of the Republican Party as long as it fails to support a return to Constitutional governance
4. If you want my support and the support of other Constitutional Conservatives, you'll talk up people who share our ideals, and criticize those who do not share them
5. You will seek to change rules and tighten up processes thus enabling more Constitutional Conservatives to win elections
6. Failing that, adios...

Thanks folks.  Take care...
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2,326 posted on 04/16/2012 1:26:59 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Okay, now lets see if the RNC, Rove, and Card can get him elected without their core base. Game on!)
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