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To: Notary Sojac
What was really amazing here on FR was to watch all the toadies - who bashed Newt like crazy back last summer when only a few of us supported him -

I will tell you something worse. I warned that the dirty politics on this forum by those that attempted to elevate Newt by ridiculing Santorum was a mistake that would only help Romney. Now we have an offended group to assuage and it was totally unnecessary. No one knows where his delegates will go, but I doubt this forum brought a lot of them into Newt's camp.

I would be thrilled with Newt because I have been around longer than he has, so I know his career. I would also have been ok with Santorum because I thought I could know where he really was on an issue, neither perfect, but both more than acceptable.

I will not be voting for Romney period.

“Always vote for principle, though you may vote alone, and you may cherish the sweetest reflection that your vote is never lost.”

-- John Quincy Adams

"Let each citizen remember at the moment he is offering his vote that he is not making a present or a compliment to please an individual--or at least that he ought not so to do; but that he is executing one of the most solemn trusts in human society for which he is accountable to God and his country."

-- Samuel Adams


502 posted on 04/13/2012 3:01:34 PM PDT by itsahoot (I will not vote for Romney period, and by election day you won't like him either.)
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To: itsahoot
by those that attempted to elevate Newt

NEWT doesn't need elevating - his resume and brilliance far exceeds any candidate. As Rick and mitt had to lie about Newt to elevate themselves. Rick did harm to this country with his many lies about NEWT! That's something Rick and his supporters have to live with. And Rick has children that will eventually feel the effects of that lying. You reap what you sow, it's a law that can't be reversed. You don't plant squash and get a rose.

NO ONE with any standard at all, would support mitt. He's on his own wrapped tight in evil!

781 posted on 04/13/2012 5:12:42 PM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: itsahoot
502 posted on Fri Apr 13 2012 17:01:34 GMT-0500 (Central Daylight Time) by itsahoot: “I will tell you something worse. I warned that the dirty politics on this forum by those that attempted to elevate Newt by ridiculing Santorum was a mistake that would only help Romney. Now we have an offended group to assuage and it was totally unnecessary. No one knows where his delegates will go, but I doubt this forum brought a lot of them into Newt's camp.”

You sure hit that nail on the head.

I've been saying for months that I think Gingrich and Santorum get along much better than many of their supporters. Real damage has been done to the conservative movement by some people who have made it their goal to tear down social conservatives who are not sufficiently “pure” on economic or national defense conservative issues.

I've always believed that I can work with someone who meets the Romans 13 standards for civil government as long as they're not openly opposed to a Christian conservative agenda. I'll take allies where I can get them.

However, John McCain did lasting damage in 2000 by his attacks on Christian conservatives, despite having a record of being pro-life, and that forced him to nominate someone like Sarah Palin. Mitt Romney is far worse than John McCain. The logical conclusion from that should be that Christian conservatives, now that “our candidate” is out, need to back Newt Gingrich while we still have at least a shred of a chance to defeat Mitt Romney.

I'm willing to do that. But the implicit and sometimes even overt Christian-bashing of the last few months has not helped.

As someone who was watching C-Span years ago back when Gingrich and his Conservative Opportunity Society got started, I know there's a lot to admire about Gingrich.

I think most Newt Gingrich supporters here were and are sincere.

Note that I said “most,” not all.

I find it very interesting how many people are now coming out and saying Republicans need to get behind Romney, even though he hasn't yet won the Republican Party nomination. I can see the point after a nominee is selected, but why now? That's defeatism at best, and I strongly suspect in some cases it's not defeatism caused by exhaustion but rather deliberate and according to plan.

We'll never know for sure how many of the Santorum-bashers were paid Romney infiltrators trying to sow chaos. And yes, I'm guessing that Romney probably paid some people to come on here and support Santorum as well. He's got enough money to pay people to play all sides of the fence if he thinks it will help sow hatred and discontent among his opponents.

It used to be said you can buy advertising in a political campaign, but you can't buy commitments, and it takes committed volunteers, many of whom never show up on any candidate campaign roster, to win an election.

Romney may be proving that wrong this year, but only in part. He's almost won the Republican Party primary by outspending his opponents, but barely eked out victories in key swing states. He can't do that against Barack Obama who has at least as much money and probably more.

If it takes 10-to-1 spending advantages for Romney to win elections, he'll go down to a devastating defeat against Obama when the spending ratio is much closer to even.

1,403 posted on 04/14/2012 5:49:35 AM PDT by darrellmaurina
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To: itsahoot
I will tell you something worse. I warned that the dirty politics on this forum by those that attempted to elevate Newt by ridiculing Santorum was a mistake that would only help Romney. Now we have an offended group to assuage and it was totally unnecessary. No one knows where his delegates will go, but I doubt this forum brought a lot of them into Newt's camp. I would be thrilled with Newt because I have been around longer than he has, so I know his career. I would also have been ok with Santorum because I thought I could know where he really was on an issue, neither perfect, but both more than acceptable.

Plenty of Santorum supporters torn down Newt Including Santorum himself.

And let's not forget that it was Newt leading Mitt before all that happened.

1,446 posted on 04/14/2012 7:47:38 AM PDT by FreeReign
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