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To: SoFloFreeper

A woman in our office expressed her horror, when I threw away a plastic bottle one day.

I told her it takes more energy to recycle a plastic bottle, than it does to make a new one.

How do I know that, she asked?

Nobody pays me for plastic, like they do with aluminum. Sooo...since the cost of a mass produced item, made out of a commodity like plastic, is essentially the cost of energy to produce and ship...it is an easy conclusion to make.

I have similar suspicions that windmills take more energy to produce, than what they will ever generate.

BTW, she gave me the ‘you just shanked a baby panda’ look, and walked off.


14 posted on 04/15/2012 2:12:59 PM PDT by lacrew (Mr. Soetoro, we regret to inform you that your race card is over the credit limit.)
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To: lacrew

The state of California charges me 5 cents to drink out of a soda can.

I want (and get) that money back.

Fortunately for me, there’s a can/bottle redemption kiosk not far from where I live.


20 posted on 04/15/2012 2:29:02 PM PDT by thecodont
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To: lacrew
I have similar suspicions that windmills take more energy to produce, than what they will ever generate.

Cost more. For every kilowatt of power from wind energy you need backup sources of production when the wind ceases. You cannot reduce the capacity of normal power plants.

25 posted on 04/15/2012 2:52:26 PM PDT by Raycpa
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To: lacrew

A great friend of mine is a retired heavyweight from the environmental department of a major utility. He told me from day one of the recycling craze: “When they start paying you for your trash, then you will know that recycling is a worthwhile enterprise; otherwise, it is nothing but a feel good endeavour designed to appease the greenies.”


29 posted on 04/15/2012 3:08:05 PM PDT by VMI70
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To: lacrew
I have similar suspicions that windmills take more energy to produce, than what they will ever generate.
I doubt it. At least we know that the old-fashioned windmills were worth producing, or it wouldn’t have been done. There wasn’t a surplus of energy to waste . . .

IMHO windmills might cost more money per installed kw than fossil fuel-ed or nuclear power plants. But I don’t know that the energy budget for a windmill would be negative. Unless you don’t have a good use for the power when and as it becomes available - as would be the case if you tried to use it for air conditioning, for example.


35 posted on 04/15/2012 3:40:21 PM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion (The idea around which “liberalism" coheres is that NOTHING actually matters except PR.)
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