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George Zimmerman Is Destined for a Hung Jury
The Daily Beast ^ | April 21, 2012 | Mansfield Frazier

Posted on 04/21/2012 3:29:09 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

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To: matt04
I feel sorry for anyone called to be on that jury.

I feel sorry for anyone so stupid they can't figure out how to be struck from that jury pool. All you have to do as a white guy is wear a tie, probably.

At the end you'll end up with a group of rocket scientists similar to the OJ jury.

41 posted on 04/21/2012 4:19:41 PM PDT by Strategerist
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Few, if any, whites in the South are going to want to be forever known as a member of a jury that voted to convict Zimmerman

That must be because they haven't been successfully brainwashed into self-loathing "white guilt" like us northerners.

42 posted on 04/21/2012 4:20:03 PM PDT by JediJones (From the makers of Romney, Bloomberg/Schwarzenegger 2016. Because the GOP can never go too far left.)
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To: sergeantdave
One-way, all expenses paid. That was President Lincoln's plan. I believe that's the real reason for his assassination.

"Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results." ~Albert Einstein

43 posted on 04/21/2012 4:22:36 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (Ich habe keinen Konig aber Gott)
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To: Hugin
I sure hope that's how it will go. I know there are a number of pre-trial proceedings but I'm not sure how many or what they're all about. Her charging affidavit was supposed to provide evidence of probable cause. It didn't do any such thing by any stretch of the imagination. It even included some imaginings like Zimmerman's thought processes at the time. "Racially profiled Trayvon."

AFFIDAVIT OF PROBABLE CAUSE - SECOND DEGREE MURDER

Mark Levin livid over evidence not submitted with Zimmerman affidavit...

44 posted on 04/21/2012 4:24:49 PM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: JediJones

45 posted on 04/21/2012 4:26:41 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (Ich habe keinen Konig aber Gott)
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To: House Atreides

“I agree. A proper AND COURAGEOUS judge would dismiss it. However, I suspect that’s not going to happen.”

I think you entirely correct, but one can aways hope.

The judge that dodged was an elected one. An elected judge is fried no matter what they do. If they don’t toss, the white population will vote him/her out of office. If they proceed and don’t get a conviction, the black population will potentially threaten his/her life. Sucks to be a judge there right now.


46 posted on 04/21/2012 4:28:25 PM PDT by Sola Veritas (Trying to speak truth - not always with the best grammar or spelling)
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To: The_Reader_David

A lot of Seminoles have African ancestry - there was a lot of mixing with runaway slaves, an African-Seminole alliance. And being Indian was better than being black, so some people of mixed black and white ancestry claimed to be Seminole.


47 posted on 04/21/2012 4:34:35 PM PDT by heartwood
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To: Sola Veritas; House Atreides

The judge who recused herself was also a new judge of only 18 months. Apart from being elected she may have felt she wasn’t ready for a high profile politically charged case. If she had presided and dismissed the case you can just imagine the charges of inexperience, incompetence etc. Just speculation but that’s my look at the more positive possibilities of it.


48 posted on 04/21/2012 4:34:46 PM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: Hugin
>>But as I understand it she will have to present the rest of her evidence before the trial starts, and the judge could simply rule there is a preponderance of evidence that is was self-defense. That would be the same as a not guilty verdict. It would prevent charges from being brought against Zimmerman in criminal or civil court (not Federal court though).<<

Pretty much correct. Zimmerman can call for a hearing on his self-defense claim before the trial. If he's successful (and he only needs a preponderance of the evidence to prevail), he is immune under FL law from charges or from civil actions.

49 posted on 04/21/2012 4:48:11 PM PDT by Aunt Polgara
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To: nickcarraway

Yes, but it will not go to trial. There is simply not enough evidence to charge him, much less hold a trial. Any judge (outside of Wisconsin) will throw it out.


50 posted on 04/21/2012 4:48:46 PM PDT by neocon1984
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Let me tell you a short story.

We went over to South Africa for the UN’s Sustainabilty Conference in 2003. The economists were let loose to poll the shantytown residents. They asked the citizens there what they wanted most. Here’s the result:

1. Private property.

2. The rule of law - contracts.

This freaked out the eco-fascists and the poll was only published in a Brit newspaper and other obscure sources.

My thought is to trade America-hating African-Americans one-for-one with Shantytown entreprenuers.

We send afro-American haters to South Africa for all the South Africans that want to immigrate to America.


51 posted on 04/21/2012 4:50:01 PM PDT by sergeantdave
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To: spacejunkie2001
I personally think it won’t even get to trial. They have NO evidence and it was really revealed at the bond hearing.

Yep, I watched the entire hearing and certainly agree that it should not go to trial but I believe it will.

Lots of political pressure from $harpton, Jack$on et al.

52 posted on 04/21/2012 4:51:56 PM PDT by Graybeard58 (Romney vs. Obama? One of them has to lose, rejoice in that fact, whichever it is.)
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To: Hugin
Unless the Special Prosecutor unveils some yet undisclosed evidence, I think there is an excellent chance the judge will direct a not guilty verdict before a jury is ever picked.

Exactly my thinking.

53 posted on 04/21/2012 5:09:58 PM PDT by upchuck (Need is not an acceptable lifestyle choice; dependent is not a career. ~ Dr. Tim Nerenz)
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To: nickcarraway
By Florida law there will be 6 jurors.

There are plenty of liberal whites who agree 100% with everything said on MSNBC. A jury with 3 black jurors and 3 white liberals could find Zimmerman guilty based on what they have heard on TV.

54 posted on 04/21/2012 5:16:56 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: Sola Veritas
A proper judge (but courageous as well) would simply toss the case because there is no probable cause shown by the affidavit alleging a crime.

Don't count on it. The white Judge stepped aside and the replacement is (I think) black . . .

55 posted on 04/21/2012 5:26:54 PM PDT by Petruchio (I Think . . . Therefor I FReep.)
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To: Petruchio; All

“The white Judge stepped aside and the replacement is (I think) black . . .”

A “black” Judge would be the most likely to get away with tossing the case based upon the law. He/she would be ostracized, but probably wouldn’t be threatened.

This is a sad state of affairs when a criminal case is prosecuted based upon entirely upon “emotion” with no regard for proper legal procedure.

I do suspect that should, and God forbid, they could get a conviction, that an appeals court would throw out the case based upon improper evidence, etc. When Alan Derschowitz screams the case is an immoral case of prosecution misconduct (a flaming liberal), then something is terribly wrong.


56 posted on 04/21/2012 5:34:12 PM PDT by Sola Veritas (Trying to speak truth - not always with the best grammar or spelling)
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To: TigersEye

Angela Corey should be left alone, because the decision to charge George Zimmerman with second degree murder was foisted upon her from above. She did what she was told to do. The state of Florida knows that Zimmerman acted in self-defense, thus the charge of second degree murder. That charge either sticks if the state of Florida can prove that to a jury, or....Zimmerman either gets a involuntary manslaughter charge or goes free. Ms. Corey, weak as she was, just pulled an Obama, and kicked the can down the road. So.....hung juries, here we come!!!

It is even worse that the Obama media and the Black Racist thugs have convicted Geroge Zimmerman without a trail. The Zimmerman defense will hammer this fact home and keep pointing to the real injuries head injuries to Zimmerman, inflicted by Gangsta, thug Trayvon Martin. IMHO, this case is a loser for the Obama media, Black racist thugs and, of course, Barack Hussein Obama.

Remember, the TV show, Dragnet, with Joe Friday. “Just the facts, madame, just the facts”!!! Have you noticed that Sharpton and Jackson are nowhere to be found at the recent bail hearing. Actions speak louder then words. And....Obama keeps his yap shut, not uttering a word!!! Go Figure.


57 posted on 04/21/2012 5:47:38 PM PDT by JLAGRAYFOX (My only objective is defeat and destroy Obama & his Democrat Party, political ly!!!)
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To: nickcarraway
Everyone involved will be pressured into making sure he is guilty.

Zimmermam will be found Not Guilty.

58 posted on 04/21/2012 5:53:03 PM PDT by Doe Eyes
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To: DemforBush
I’ve been going on the assumption that a civil suit would have immediately followed any acquittal or dismissal of charges. Interesting.

That was the WHOLE point of these types of laws across the US - to prevent cops and prosecutors from throwing innocent people who had just saved themselves from a violent assault into the meat-grinder of the court system, on nothing more than the theory of "let the courts sort it out."

The prior "duty to retreat" created a huge legal grey area, where you would have to determine if someone who defended themselves had the ability and means to retreat from the confrontation. And huge legal grey areas mean huge legal fees.

It may turn out to be very unfortunate that the law wasn't strong enough to protect George Zimmerman under this kind of withering onslaught of lies, race hustlers, and ginned-up outrage.

59 posted on 04/21/2012 5:55:40 PM PDT by mvpel (Michael Pelletier)
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To: JLAGRAYFOX
Angela Corey should be left alone, because the decision to charge George Zimmerman with second degree murder was foisted upon her from above.

Bull puckey! Angela Corey should be investigated.

Zimmerman prosecutor under fire (CNN video)

60 posted on 04/21/2012 6:06:19 PM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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