Skip to comments.George Zimmerman Is Destined for a Hung Jury
Posted on 04/21/2012 3:29:09 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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Let me tell you a short story.
We went over to South Africa for the UN’s Sustainabilty Conference in 2003. The economists were let loose to poll the shantytown residents. They asked the citizens there what they wanted most. Here’s the result:
1. Private property.
2. The rule of law - contracts.
This freaked out the eco-fascists and the poll was only published in a Brit newspaper and other obscure sources.
My thought is to trade America-hating African-Americans one-for-one with Shantytown entreprenuers.
We send afro-American haters to South Africa for all the South Africans that want to immigrate to America.
Yep, I watched the entire hearing and certainly agree that it should not go to trial but I believe it will.
Lots of political pressure from $harpton, Jack$on et al.
Exactly my thinking.
There are plenty of liberal whites who agree 100% with everything said on MSNBC. A jury with 3 black jurors and 3 white liberals could find Zimmerman guilty based on what they have heard on TV.
Don't count on it. The white Judge stepped aside and the replacement is (I think) black . . .
“The white Judge stepped aside and the replacement is (I think) black . . .”
A “black” Judge would be the most likely to get away with tossing the case based upon the law. He/she would be ostracized, but probably wouldn’t be threatened.
This is a sad state of affairs when a criminal case is prosecuted based upon entirely upon “emotion” with no regard for proper legal procedure.
I do suspect that should, and God forbid, they could get a conviction, that an appeals court would throw out the case based upon improper evidence, etc. When Alan Derschowitz screams the case is an immoral case of prosecution misconduct (a flaming liberal), then something is terribly wrong.
Angela Corey should be left alone, because the decision to charge George Zimmerman with second degree murder was foisted upon her from above. She did what she was told to do. The state of Florida knows that Zimmerman acted in self-defense, thus the charge of second degree murder. That charge either sticks if the state of Florida can prove that to a jury, or....Zimmerman either gets a involuntary manslaughter charge or goes free. Ms. Corey, weak as she was, just pulled an Obama, and kicked the can down the road. So.....hung juries, here we come!!!
It is even worse that the Obama media and the Black Racist thugs have convicted Geroge Zimmerman without a trail. The Zimmerman defense will hammer this fact home and keep pointing to the real injuries head injuries to Zimmerman, inflicted by Gangsta, thug Trayvon Martin. IMHO, this case is a loser for the Obama media, Black racist thugs and, of course, Barack Hussein Obama.
Remember, the TV show, Dragnet, with Joe Friday. “Just the facts, madame, just the facts”!!! Have you noticed that Sharpton and Jackson are nowhere to be found at the recent bail hearing. Actions speak louder then words. And....Obama keeps his yap shut, not uttering a word!!! Go Figure.
Zimmermam will be found Not Guilty.
That was the WHOLE point of these types of laws across the US - to prevent cops and prosecutors from throwing innocent people who had just saved themselves from a violent assault into the meat-grinder of the court system, on nothing more than the theory of "let the courts sort it out."
The prior "duty to retreat" created a huge legal grey area, where you would have to determine if someone who defended themselves had the ability and means to retreat from the confrontation. And huge legal grey areas mean huge legal fees.
It may turn out to be very unfortunate that the law wasn't strong enough to protect George Zimmerman under this kind of withering onslaught of lies, race hustlers, and ginned-up outrage.
Bull puckey! Angela Corey should be investigated.
Zimmerman prosecutor under fire (CNN video)
Get ready for the Amish to throw a real snot-slinger.
Since he composed what amounted to an extortion note, I've made the decision not to listen to or believe anything else the man says. He has demonstrated that he has no morals and no brains.
"Now Caiaphas was he, which gave counsel to the Jews, that it was expedient that one man should die for the people."
Seemed like a veiled threat of violence against white jury members if they fail to convict George’s skin to the liking of the racist mob.
The judge should probably gag some of the racist violence inciters starting with the Martins and their attorney. The President and Holder are responsible for letting the racist idiots go this far.
Whoever in the Nation of Islam is responsible for putting a bounty on Zimmerman’s head and calling for racial violence against whites (which has been carried out by black racists dozens of times now in the name of Trayvon) before he was arrested should be dealt with in the justice system. They have violated the civil rights of a lot of people. Obama and Mooochelle are personally responsible for anyone harmed as a result of this communist political game aimed at disarming Americans.
I think this was only a bail hearing.
I've read that under Florida's stand your ground law, Zimmerman is entitled to another hearing before a judge (no jury yet), who will decide if the case should be dismissed on SYG grounds.
If Zimmerman loses in that hearing, he then gets another chance with a trial before a jury. That's my understanding anyway.
I imagine that you’re right. I don’t really know how court proceedings usually go. It seems strange that they would have a bail hearing first when there is the possibility the case could be dismissed. That’s sort of a waste of time and an imposition on the accused when a decision to dismiss would obviate the need for a bail hearing.
For some time I have been predicting a hung jury.
Because of this, no matter how many times the state puts Zimmerman on trial, the outcome will probably be the same: a hung jury. Few, if any, whites in the South are going to want to be forever known as a member of a jury that voted to convict Zimmerman, and conversely, no black is going to care to be known as the person who voted to acquit him. Its a recipe for deadlock.
Talk is already circulating of a change of venue, but a change to where? The moon? Theres no place in the country where potential jurors havent heard about the case, and most folks (black and white, rightly or wrongly) have already formed opinions that by now are virtually intractable.
Get a load of this guy. It's interesting, in a forensically fascinating and simultaneously repugnant sort of way, to see that this 'Rat troll thinks is reason and thought.
It's more like a warm souffle' exploding against a kitchen wall.
Oh, hell, no, FRiend! And spoil the _Resident's political race-drama?
< / smoking sarc >
If they're white, the New Black Panthers will hang 'em. Unless they vote to throw Zimmermann to the wolves.
The Boers will promptly accuse us of genocide against them.
Better idea: Trade the ghetto welfarists for the Boers, twenty-for-one.
Then send the rest of them to Senegal and Sierra Leone and Liberia, to jerk those places up straight.
If he can't get a directed guilty verdict, Obama might go to a Plan "B", of "pardoning" GZ (i.e. offer him something less than complete acquittal) and pressure him to take it, thereby blackening himself. That would be my guess.
If that doesn't work, the _Resident will go to Plan "C", sounding grace notes all over the place and playing Mr. Oil-on-Water and seeking credit for having staged a Super Beer Summit. But that's only as a last, capitulatory resort, if GZ is fully acquitted or no-billed or his case is dismissed, and there is no chance of getting GZ to admit fault -- and the threat of riots becomes too real, and too much a palpable liability to _Resident, to try to slip past any longer.
Before there is any trial there will be a motion to dismiss based on the SYG law providing for IMMUNITY from prosecution for valid self-defense. The same law provides for immunity from civil liability as well.
The depths of idiocy in this article begs for a lawsuit for racial incitement to riot by a writer without a clue.
The arrest affidavit is clinging by a thread - wait til the motion to dismiss. We do have law here in FL that judges must follow.
If Mr. Z can establish he was reasonably in fear of grievous bodily injury or death the judge will dismiss all charges at the hearing.
Motions to dismiss on SYG have been successfully done on paper (exhibits, affidavits, depositions, etc.) or with paper and actual live testimony.
The judge is both the trier of fact and law. Unique for pre-trial motions. Usually if there is question of fact you have to go to trial to establish that.
If the motion to dismiss fails its a toss up as to whether you go to trial or appeal the failure to dismiss. As the Peterson case established on appeal the law provides for an actual IMMUNITY - not just an affirmative defense.
Please note that Zimmerman need only establish his self-defense actions by a preponderance of the evidence - more likely than not (50% + 1) that he feared for his life or serious bodily injury.
That this is unknown to many at this point is truly astounding. Gang bangers having it out with rival gangs have gotten off in late night shoot outs with each other on self-defense grounds.
The only consideration here is to what extent the MSM and race baiters can threaten the area/nation with chaos and rioting if charges are dismissed. That threat is really the only real question here. Trust me. ;-)
I don’t think “Stand your ground” applies. According to Zimmerman, Martin was on top bounding his head on the sidewalk. That’s straight “Self Defense” anywhere in the country.
All white jury and he has a chance for a fair trial...
Ditto with an all-Hispanic jury.
It’s a forgone conclusion, not guilty / hung jury with some of Holders people. Let the fireworks begin.
GZ is presumed innocent. He is entitled to a bond hearing. Are you suggesting he simply rot in jail while it all gets sorted out? Read also about habeas corpus.
No, I was suggesting the opposite. That the hearing that would lead to a dismissal should come before the bond hearing. That way he would spend less time in jail.
Filed in the same mental folder as the pics of Palestinians dancing in the streets after 9-11.
Facts mean nothing in this case, Ray.
If Obama were smart, he’d simply act righteously. He would declare GZ not only not guilty, but innocent, reward him, then chastise all the black racist leaders who drag him down nationally and internationally.
In one swing, he would likely secure his re-election, gain historical precedence, and glean respect from the majority of people who simply identify unrighteousness and seek justice.
Muslims would hate him, but would change to follow him because it would be a righteous decision. Those who seek justice would admire him standing up to some older African American racist blowhards whose time has come to fade into the background.
Then again, there is a mystery of iniquity which I do not understand.
You're presuming that it's even possible for him to act righteously.
Your comments are most interesting in “where we go from here”. These points of law are going to run smack into the face of the “baiters”, LSM, and the left.
Regardless which side writes our history books, Trayvon Martin might be America’s Archduke Ferdinand.
Mr. Frazier is late to the party.
I already predicted this a while ago, right here on FR:
Re: Six Jurors
I haven’t lived in Florida for many years.
When I did, manslaughter and murder cases ALWAYS required 12 jurors, not 6.
Re: Six Jurors Is Correct
I just checked reports on the very recent John Goodman DUI manslaughter trial in Palm Beach.
Goodman founded the local polo club and was a well known Palm Beach socialite.
Your suggestion that the hearing that would lead to a dismissal (the immunity hearing) should come before the bond hearing makes no sense. That’s impossible. The fastest way to get GZ out is to bond him out.
No thanks to you I do see why the bond hearing should come first now. But he would be out of jail and never go back for anything if the case had been dismissed wouldn’t he?
I had never seen that. Painfully stark.
I think at this point in time, a comprimise is in order. Zimmerman gets probation and the Martin family gets to keep their dead burglar son’s stolen loot. Everyone wins!
Having done that I amend my last sentence.
"The only consideration here is to what extent the MSM and race baiters can
threaten the area/nation with whip the area/nation into chaos and rioting if charges are dismissed. That threat is really the only real question here. Trust me. ;-)"
For the record, I think it could be a long, hot summer.
Re: Whites In The South
This is a tip off that the author of the article is not familiar with Florida.
The “Old South” in Florida is confined to the Panhandle and the I-10 corridor.
South of Orlando, almost all whites are transplants from New York, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, and the Midwest.
Moving the trial to Southeast Florida might be a catastrophic error for Zimmerman.
“White” jurors there will be heavily Northeastern and Jewish Democrats.
On the other hand, Hispanics in South Florida will be heavily Cuban Republicans, which might weigh in Zimmerman’s favor.
All of them, I believe, at the federal level.
Well, I’m pretty sure if a prospective juror just wants to make his decision on the facts, the prosecution will try to strike him “for cause...”
Has there been an arraignment?
Has Mr. Zimmerman entered a plea?
This whole thing will probably get kicked out at pre-trial. There is not one speck of evidence that the man committed a crime.