Posted on 04/22/2012 7:24:09 PM PDT by marktwain
Recently, Jan Brewer vetoed HB2729, State Regulation of Firearms. The essence of the bill would prevent, a state agency, or a political subdivision of the state to enact ordinances or rules in accordance with state law that limit or prohibit the possession of firearms on public property unless:
* The public property is a secured facility.
* There are signs prohibiting the possession of firearms clearly posed at all public entrances, and
* There are secure firearm lockers within reasonable proximity to the main public entrance that are under the control of the operator of the property and that allow for the immediate retrieval of the firearm when exiting the property.
I must admit, I’m totally perplexed by Brewer. She has an A+ rating by the NRA, purports to be a supporter of Second Amendment rights but when push comes to shove, she displays a liberal mentality on exercising a individual right of the Constitution. Does she believe that somehow when the law abiding citizen crosses onto some sacred public property they absolve themselves of their law abiding nature? Hardly. In her speech to NRA members in the 2009 NRA convention in Phoenix, she stated she was an “ardent supporter of the Second Amendment.” Really. And here were a few other doozys:
* “Together, we are always focusing on protecting the rights to bear arms here in Arizona.”
* “Since statehood, Arizona has cherished the individual right to keep and bear arms. The Arizona Constitution captures that quite clearly as it states, the right of the individual citizen to bear arms in defense of himself or the state SHALL NOT be impaired.”
* “Don’t mess with the Second Amendment.”
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Jan Brewer is not coming up for reelection. Perhaps she is looking for a nice job at a State University.
The issue is taking your gun into the courthouse ~
Not really. The law has no problem with preventing people from taking guns into courthouses if the courthouse is secured with metal detectors and armed guards.
Signs only are a pretense of keeping people with evil intent out of courthouses.
Most courthouses in the state already have the metal detectors and armed guards.
I still disarm strangers entering my home ~ front leaning rest and all.
Hope that satisfies your needs.
-she recently published a book, not a sign a politician wants to retire to academia.
>>The issue is taking your gun into the courthouse ~
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>Not really. The law has no problem with preventing people from taking guns into courthouses if the courthouse is secured with metal detectors and armed guards.
The issue is the State’s Constitution; either they have constitutional carry OR they do not. The real question is do state statutes, passed by the state legislature, superior to the State Constitution (which authorizes the legislature to make statutes).... IOW, it is nothing less than constitutionalism and the rule of law that is the issue.
FR has become a hell of a wacko site.....
I am not going to get bent out of shape with Jan Brewer over something relatively minor. Here’s what’s going on.
The AZ legislature is hardcore conservative Republican. However, they tend to legislate in haste, and often make some pretty bad technical errors, as well as not getting enough input from the executive branch agencies.
And this gets as far as bills reaching Brewer’s desk, where she has to slam on the brakes, on the advise of someone who spots the problems.
She does get flak for this, because on the surface it looks like she is vetoing some common sense, conservative bill. And only if you get to see the reasons for the veto does it become clear. Most of the time, the legislature is more than willing to rewrite them to overcome whatever problems.
If you want to “big picture” what she is doing, it is a lot more favorable, because she is fighting against Obama and company, who are trying to oppress Arizona. And she has good backing from most everybody except Democrats in the state to do this.
The Just Us Department is suing Arizona over SB 1070, its voter ID law, it is attacking our Sheriffs and other LEOs, it had been subverting federal and state gun laws to smuggle guns to Mexican drug cartels, it has been fighting to keep the flow of illegal aliens and drug smugglers across Arizona’s border, etc.
And Jan Brewer has been fighting all these battles. So please cut her a little slack on this one. Don’t worry, it will get figured out, but it’s going to take a little while.
Jan Brewer didn’t support SB1070 until after it passed. Even then, she considered vetoing it. When she realized how popular it was, she signed.
She is not a conservative at heart. She can be pushed in a conservative direction, but don’t expect her to go out on her own and forge a conservative path.
So yeah, we need another conservative governor and mccain and his cronies need to get lost.
Chances are iffy with the influx of economic refugees from CA, but we may have a chance.
Absolutely correct. However, I see no real reason for this veto. What does it gain her? It only appears that she is trying to curry favor with the apparatchiks in the universities and municipalities.
You’re right, the issue is not taking your gun into the courthouse. The issue is taking your gun into, for example, the Glendale Public Library. They have a “No Firearms Allowed” sign on the door, which disarms the law-abiding citizen but not the criminal. AZCDL said “If you’re going to make me disarm, then I want you to prove that EVERYONE is disarmed, with more than just a sign.”
Years ago I was on a concealed carry mailing list for Arizona where the members tried to force the issue. They asked the library management to assume that they rode a bike to the library so they couldn’t just “leave the gun in the car.” Management said they would call Glendale PD to come and pick up the gun and store it until the person came to get it. So they tested it. Glendale PD showed up, took custody of the gun, and stored it at the “Foothills Public Safety Facility” about a mile away until the owner came to get it. They had some problems at first, like trying to figure out how to let a civilian give them a gun without making it look like they were disarming an arrestee, but they finally got it down. The whole thing was so stupid, taking a cop away from patrol duty to go put someone’s gun in a locker, all because of a hoplophobic leftie library manager. That’s what the bill was all about, bringing uniformity to government firearms policies and making sure everyone is safe.
Jan Brewer disappointed thousands of Arizonans when she vetoed that bill. We won’t soon forget it.
she recently published a book, not a sign a politician wants to retire to academia.
I hope she does retire. I can’t stand her. I hope she loses her seat next round. She endorsed Romney and that is unforgivable. She would fit well in academia with her liberalism.
I cited the relevant law to them. They did not try to disarm me, though I, of course, would have cooperated. After politely talking to them for about five minutes, I told them that my business at the library was finished and I walked out the door with my lady friend and her granddaughter.
Eventually we pushed the county into installing lock-boxes at the county buildings.
They became cooperative at a county board meeting that occurred just minutes before we held an open carry protest outside the County Assessor, Recorder, and Treasurer building. It made front page news in the local paper. The county employees in the building told me many times that they never wanted the “no weapons” signs on the doors... it created more work and hassle for them.
Typical McCain Republican.
Brewer absolutely disappointed on this point alone.
I just can't help thinking of how much the Greeks would be making fun of us if Nappie the clown was still in town...
Now that one’s tricky. A lot of chief executives think “they are in charge” and are supposed to lead and initiate and even dictate action. But Arizona is more traditional. Its governors, many of whom serve for decades, are executives, who carry out the wishes of the legislature.
Generally they only intervene when they think they have to. Otherwise they keep things quiet.
Heck, even Phoenix and several other cities are “charter” cities, that had corrupt-as-all-hell partisan (Democrat) governments until the 1940s, when reformers swept out most of them, and made all the seats non-partisan. During the war things were so bad that all of Phoenix was off-limits to the military.
So in practical terms, Jan Brewer has three jobs. To *manage* the state, and to “liaison” (fight) with those jerks in the administration (and the 9th Circuit) who keep harassing Arizona. Her third job, which she has done well because so many other states are Republican, is to make reciprocity and other agreements with them.
And in these three things she has done a good job. Quietly, with a minimum of fuss. She did a lot of behind the scenes work to get SB 1070 to the SCOTUS, and is pushing to get Arizona’s Voter ID up there too (where it will probably be joined a a dozen other states).
And just today, on the front page, “Virginia’s Anti-NDAA Bill Set to Become Law; Ariz. Joins the Fight”. (Again, along with 10 other states). By the Arizona way, the state legislature was right on this with a similar bill, which once she signs it as she will likely do, will start another federal brawl.
Then it will be her job to see the lawsuit go up as high as it can before she leaves office.
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