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1 in 5 Macs Has Malware [STUDY]
Mashable ^ | 24 Apr 2012 | Todd Wasserman

Posted on 04/24/2012 6:55:44 AM PDT by for-q-clinton

In a challenge to the prevailing belief that Apple computers are immune to the sort of cyberattacks that plague WIndows-based machines, research firm Sophos has released a study claiming that one in five Macs have malware.

The report, released on Tuesday, is based on a “100,000-strong snapshot” of the millions of Macs that downloaded Sophos’s free Mac antivirus software. The study found that 20% of Macs were carrying one or more instances of Windows malware.

Such malware doesn’t cause symptoms unless the Mac owners run Windows on their machines, but it can be spread to others.

However, this doesn’t appear to be solely a Windows-based problem. The report also found that 2.7% of Macs were infected with Mac OS malware. The majority of such Mac OS malware is composed of fake antivirus attacks, like the recent Flashback botnet. Mac owners can contract such malware by downloading email attachments, visiting rogue websites and unknowingly installing it via their USB drive. The chart below provides a breakdown of the types of Mac OS malware:

To avoid downloading such malware, Sophos recommends running an antivirus program and keeping it up to date, exercising caution about which links you click on, keep software patches current and keeping an eye out for email-based scams.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; Technical
KEYWORDS: apple; fud; ionlyreadthetitles; mac; malware; osx; publicitystunt; windowsmalware
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Interesting.

Now if this was a windows post, you know one of the first responses would be to get a Mac and be safe. Looks like Mac users may want to consider running Windows 7 to secure their machines.

1 posted on 04/24/2012 6:55:56 AM PDT by for-q-clinton
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To: for-q-clinton
C'mon. At least read the article you're posting:

Such malware doesn’t cause symptoms unless the Mac owners run Windows on their machines, but it can be spread to others.

2 posted on 04/24/2012 7:00:38 AM PDT by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: for-q-clinton

but

but

but

Mac’s are immune.

We have thousands of posts on FR during the last decade that say so.

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3 posted on 04/24/2012 7:01:13 AM PDT by TomGuy
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To: for-q-clinton
Better title: At Least 1 in 5 Macs Has Windows Malware
4 posted on 04/24/2012 7:02:09 AM PDT by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: for-q-clinton

“Looks like Mac users may want to consider running Windows 7 to secure their machines.”

Huh? The article says that most of this malware is Windows malware that apparently only runs if the user runs Windows on their Mac. What did I miss?


5 posted on 04/24/2012 7:02:19 AM PDT by stubb
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To: stubb

Windows programs came with my Mac.
It’s been bullet proof so far.


6 posted on 04/24/2012 7:06:36 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: for-q-clinton

The article fails to support the headlne — 1 in 5 Mac users who bothered to download this company’s AV kit had malware, and only if they were running Windows on their Mac.

But since headlines about Mac malware draw eyes, who cares if the article body paints a completely different picture than the hyped-up lead?


7 posted on 04/24/2012 7:07:15 AM PDT by kevkrom (Those in a rush to trample the Constitution seem to forget that it is the source of their authority.)
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To: for-q-clinton

Actually, it wasn’t all that interesting, and I run Mac, Linux, and Windows machines. If you read the article closely, you surely noticed only 2.7% of Macs were infected with Mac OS malware. That seems pretty low to me. The 1 in 5 figure was for Macs with Windows software, i.e. Boot Camp. Based on my experiences, Mac OS is by far a better operating system as far as malware. That’s not saying Windows and Linux don’t have their own advantages. They do.


8 posted on 04/24/2012 7:17:18 AM PDT by CitizenUSA (Why celebrate evil? Evil is easy. Good is the goal worth striving for.)
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To: for-q-clinton

So is article this saying that Macs are the host carriers for viruses and malware?

Think about it, 1 in 5 macs have the stuff and it doesn’t affect them. However, you copy files from a mac to a flash drive and give it to a user with a PC and they could get infected with something. Of course, then the Mac user throws up their arms and says, “not my problem, I’m on a Mac.” I’m scared to accept files from Mac users now.


9 posted on 04/24/2012 7:28:34 AM PDT by Marko413
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To: CitizenUSA

But we were told Macs can’t get malware.

With such a small footprint this is just the beginning. I’ve said all along Macs enjoyed good security with a small user base (relative). However, now that it’s getting a larger user base we’ll see more and more attacks. And recent issues show that Apple isn’t ready to handle it.


10 posted on 04/24/2012 7:32:37 AM PDT by for-q-clinton (If at first you don't succeed keep on sucking until you do succeed)
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To: for-q-clinton
The study found that 20% of Macs were carrying one or more instances of Windows malware.

So, if a Mac has malware written for Windows, then the only threat is if if the Mac User boots his Mac up into Windows. But, then this is still rather unbelieveable - because Windows has several good, FREE virus/trojan/worm/malware programs that are freely available.

So, without regard to what OS you are running - a 'smart' user is going to have something to screen his data from the malware that is freely available on the internet. I think the dsys of "security by obscurity" are officially over.

11 posted on 04/24/2012 7:33:00 AM PDT by Hodar ( Who needs laws; when this FEELS so right?)
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To: martin_fierro

The article doesn’t mention which version of Windows they are running. My bet it’s an old copy of windows xp that is getting the malware. Windows 7 is just as safe if not safer than OSX.


12 posted on 04/24/2012 7:33:43 AM PDT by for-q-clinton (If at first you don't succeed keep on sucking until you do succeed)
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To: for-q-clinton

13 posted on 04/24/2012 7:36:19 AM PDT by for-q-clinton (If at first you don't succeed keep on sucking until you do succeed)
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To: TomGuy

Please read the article.

Macs ARE not affected, as this is Windows Malware. The only way they could be affected, is if the Mac were to be a dual-boot machine, and were to boot Windows.

Or, think of it this way ... if your Windows machine had a Mac virus on it; would you care? If it did, it wouldn’t do anything to you, unless you were to boot into an Apple OS.

And, some these malware prorams are approximately 5 years old. If you had an updated copy of Windows, they likely wouldn’t do anything bad anyway - as the patched Windows program would find and eliminate them.


14 posted on 04/24/2012 7:36:52 AM PDT by Hodar ( Who needs laws; when this FEELS so right?)
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To: for-q-clinton

LOL. So much for the hype about Macs being above having malware issues.


15 posted on 04/24/2012 7:37:13 AM PDT by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: martin_fierro; for-q-clinton
Furthermore, I would suggest that a sample composed of people downloading anti-virus software, just might be a bit skewed.
16 posted on 04/24/2012 7:38:14 AM PDT by B Knotts (Just another Tenther)
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To: for-q-clinton
Windows 7 is just as safe if not safer than OSX.

The experts in malware detection and removal would beg to differ.

Source

17 posted on 04/24/2012 7:39:30 AM PDT by Hodar ( Who needs laws; when this FEELS so right?)
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To: Hodar

Please read the article.

Macs ARE affected: “The report also found that 2.7% of Macs were infected with Mac OS malware”


18 posted on 04/24/2012 7:40:00 AM PDT by Psycho_Bunny (Burning the Quran is a waste of perfectly good fire.)
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To: B Knotts

Exactly...just think how many people have malware and don’t even know it because they thought their Mac was malware proof.


19 posted on 04/24/2012 7:40:19 AM PDT by for-q-clinton (If at first you don't succeed keep on sucking until you do succeed)
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To: Lazlo in PA

Please read the article.

A Mac with Windows malware is not affected. Just like a Windows machine with Apple malware is not affected.

These were files downloaded from the internet, with WINDOWS malware present. Unless the Mac user opted to boot into an old, unpatched version of Windows, without any anti-malware programs installed (dubious case), he wouldn’t be affected at all.


20 posted on 04/24/2012 7:42:31 AM PDT by Hodar ( Who needs laws; when this FEELS so right?)
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To: Hodar

Please read the ENTIRE article and look at the chart. Macs ARE infected with OSX malware.


21 posted on 04/24/2012 7:42:46 AM PDT by for-q-clinton (If at first you don't succeed keep on sucking until you do succeed)
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To: for-q-clinton

I think it likely that the sample would contain a higher proportion (how high is impossible to say) of infected computers than those not downloading anti-virus software.

Most malware these days is based on social engineering; the operating system is not the primary vulnerability that it once was. As long as clueless users can be tricked into installing malware, it will continue to spread.


22 posted on 04/24/2012 7:44:09 AM PDT by B Knotts (Just another Tenther)
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To: Hodar

I missed the part where they compared the security of Win7 to OSX? Where is it in that article?

All I saw was Win7 is more safe than WinXP.


23 posted on 04/24/2012 7:45:39 AM PDT by for-q-clinton (If at first you don't succeed keep on sucking until you do succeed)
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To: B Knotts
Most malware these days is based on social engineering; the operating system is not the primary vulnerability that it once was. As long as clueless users can be tricked into installing malware, it will continue to spread.

Completely agree. And as OSX is more widely used it will have more users to target. Windows7 is mostly social engineering Malware (or people trying to get free stuff). When Mac users do that...the macbots act as if it doesn't count. But they do count it when they talk about windows malware.

Macbots live with a double standard and their heads in the sand. All I'm trying to do is point out to them that everyone should use safe computing practices regardless of OS. And that includes having a 3rd party AV solution.

24 posted on 04/24/2012 7:48:53 AM PDT by for-q-clinton (If at first you don't succeed keep on sucking until you do succeed)
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To: for-q-clinton
I can't read the entire article .... firewall at work blocked it. But, I did find this interesting tidbit

Source.

The rate for Mac infections is far lower than those for Windows, and of the infections that are Mac related, over 75% relate to the Flashback trojan (unpatched machines).

No matter what OS you opt to use - EVERYONE (yes, every single user) should have some sort of anti-malware program installed. A Mac user is better protected by the OS than the Windows user - but nonetheless - everyone should be running some sort of program. It just makes sense.

25 posted on 04/24/2012 7:50:25 AM PDT by Hodar ( Who needs laws; when this FEELS so right?)
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To: Hodar; Lazlo in PA

Should have included Lazlo in PA on my reply. Read the ENTIRE article. It clearly shows that Macs do have Mac viruses as well. Also as the user base grows they will become more targets of this malware.


26 posted on 04/24/2012 7:50:50 AM PDT by for-q-clinton (If at first you don't succeed keep on sucking until you do succeed)
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To: Hodar
In other words...

Macs are malware vectors,

spreading disease wherever they go.

27 posted on 04/24/2012 7:52:23 AM PDT by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: for-q-clinton

You must be very,very,very,very, lonely.


28 posted on 04/24/2012 7:53:19 AM PDT by moehoward
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To: Hodar

Using your link it looks like Windows 7 is more safe than OSX.

it states that 4 in 1000 win7 machines have malware or 0.4% According to the article above 2.7% Macs have mac malware.

Thanks for confirming that windows 7 is safer than OSX.


29 posted on 04/24/2012 7:54:23 AM PDT by for-q-clinton (If at first you don't succeed keep on sucking until you do succeed)
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To: Lazlo in PA; Hodar
Macs are malware vectors,

Very astute observation. If you look at the link Hodar posted earlier where only 0.4% of Windows 7 machines are infected with malware I think it proves Mac users are the ones not playing it safe on the Internet. As this article shows that their windows machines have a lot higher malware rate and even their OSX has a 2.7% malware rate (675% higher than a windows 7 machine)

I know many Windows users that dropped using Windows because of malware and went to OSX. They ran 0 virus protection on windows, downloaded illegal software and surfed porn sites.

Those users will attract malware everywhere they go. As OSX gets more malware written for it--they will keep on collecting it.

30 posted on 04/24/2012 8:01:59 AM PDT by for-q-clinton (If at first you don't succeed keep on sucking until you do succeed)
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To: for-q-clinton

Mac users have been hiding behind the mask of insignificance for a long time...welcome to the big time Apple lovers...you finally made it! Don’t ya feel great now?

and BTW...SECURITY THROUGH OBSCURITY doesn’t work.....you now have work to do..


31 posted on 04/24/2012 8:08:03 AM PDT by rightwingextremist1776
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To: Lazlo in PA

I have always thought Linux should claim that they have been successfully delivering Windows viruses for years without getting infected. Great marketing slogan somewhere in there...


32 posted on 04/24/2012 8:11:00 AM PDT by LearnsFromMistakes (Yes, I am happy to see you. But that IS a gun in my pocket.)
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To: for-q-clinton

I do not own a Mac. Never have, but my next PC will be a Mac. I own 3 PC’s at home, and have built my own systems for decades. I use Windows at home, at work and also write some code and design hardware/software solutions as part of my job. I like to think of myself as not really having a dog in this race.

I do think that a great deal of Mac users are ASSUMING that OSX will protect them, and there is a deal of work, advertizing and articles to support that feeling. OSX is based upon the Darwin Kernal, which is a full blown UNIX derivitive. UNIX is and has always been the most stable and secure OS out there. So, OS X gets a lot of inheret security from it’s ancestry.

But, that said ... I would never encourage anyone to depend solely upon their OS for security from malware. Mac, Linux, Windows, Ubuntu, BeOS ... everyone should have something to protect them, because even *if* your OS is secure and safe, 3rd party add-ons are usually full of security holes. I offer Java and Adobe Flash as prime examples of security violations that are waiting to infect the unprepared (and unpatched).

Is one better than the other (Mac vs Windows)? Depends upon your usage model. Want to throw together movies, build a scrapbook, edit pictures with minimal effort and maximum results .... Apple.

Want to write some software to control a factory? Into hardcore gaming? Want a plethora of free software that will do what you need done, cheap or free? Windows.

But, it really boils down to what you know, what you are comfortable with, and what you want out of your computer. Down, dirty and cheap - Windows. Simple, Elegant and Quick - Apple. If you haven’t played with iMovie or iPhoto - these will prove my point quite nicely.

Why will my next PC be a Mac? Because, for what I want to do at home, the Mac does it best. I have a laptop for productivity, coding and design. But, for making quick movies of my travels, my grandkids, for home networking and seamless tie-ins to my various consoles; the Mac Mini fits the bill pefectly.


33 posted on 04/24/2012 8:12:10 AM PDT by Hodar ( Who needs laws; when this FEELS so right?)
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To: for-q-clinton
Those users will attract malware everywhere they go.

Astute observation. I agree with you completely. Like Ron White says "You can't fix stupid".

34 posted on 04/24/2012 8:15:47 AM PDT by Hodar ( Who needs laws; when this FEELS so right?)
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To: Hodar
Be sure to buy the Apple care contract when you buy your iMac.
I'm into the second year and still find the need to occasionally call for help.
35 posted on 04/24/2012 8:27:04 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: for-q-clinton

Chevy sux, Ford rox! Sheesh! Nothing really changes. LOL


36 posted on 04/24/2012 8:32:57 AM PDT by Sirius Lee (Sofa King Mitt Odd Did Obamneycare)
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To: LearnsFromMistakes
I have always thought Linux should claim that they have been successfully delivering Windows viruses for years without getting infected. Great marketing slogan somewhere in there...

LOL. That's one way to look at it. As a full-time Linux  user, I see virus attachments and shrug. I have occasionally thought of trying to run them under Wine just to see what they could do.



37 posted on 04/24/2012 9:11:08 AM PDT by zeugma (Those of us who work for a living are outnumbered by those who vote for a living.)
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To: Sirius Lee
Chevy sux, Ford rox! Sheesh! Nothing really changes. LOL

Even the Unix folks can join this game. 

Vi forever! Emacs is a solution looking for a problem.

38 posted on 04/24/2012 9:13:30 AM PDT by zeugma (Those of us who work for a living are outnumbered by those who vote for a living.)
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To: moehoward

>>>>You must be very,very,very,very, lonely.

4Q has a life - and this is it. Trolling the internet for anything that puts Mac in a bad light, then posting it here to troll for arguements.

When it comes to 4Q - the thing to do is ignoreanus.


39 posted on 04/24/2012 9:19:02 AM PDT by Keith in Iowa (Willard Romney, purveyor of the world's finest bullmitt. | FR Class of 1998 |)
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To: Hodar

I bought a Mac a couple of years ago. I never could get used to it, it always felt like I had my shoes on the wrong feet. That and it’s on it’s third DVD drive and the aluminum case is slightly bent causing difficulty ejecting discs from the now working DVD drive.

I may have to just get used to the Mac in the future, I really don’t like the new Metro interface that Microsoft is pushing.


40 posted on 04/24/2012 9:27:00 AM PDT by dangerdoc (see post #6)
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To: dangerdoc

Is your bent case causing your DVD drives to fail?

3 DVD drives is a statistical flyer - that’s an obscene failure rate that is not typically seen in the consumer level market. I used to work as a Failure Analysis Engineer for a large computer company. As an FA Engineer, I’d have authorized you a new computer just to have a gander at what was going on with yours. Something is amiss.

I too, am pretty disappointed in the Metro interface, and figure this is as good a time as any to hop to a Mac. The Mac Mini + $39 to Amazon will bump the i5 chipset to 8 Gig of RAM, this should be a little screamer. As the Mac Mini doesn’t have an internal DVD/CD drive, I’ll just have to install a USB DVD/CD drive on this.

Like anything else - it may take awhile to get used to using this. I completely understand the ‘shoes on the wrong feet’ feeling. But, having made a home video with iMovie in about 15 minutes that looks super; and having spent weeks editing and trying to do something similar with 4 different Windows programs (frustrating); I’m tired of fighting Windows. Even making a shared folder that anyone can drop stuff into, has become a huge task. With XP, this was a cake-walk, took just a few clicks. With Win7, it’s a royal pain in the backside. I spent hours trying to get it to work with my new HP Deskjet (fax/scanner/printer) - just to get the printer the ‘authority’ to drop a scanned document onto my hard drive. That is insane.


41 posted on 04/24/2012 9:40:43 AM PDT by Hodar ( Who needs laws; when this FEELS so right?)
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To: Keith in Iowa

1st I subscribe to mashable and this was pushed to me on Facebook.

2nd even if what you say was true doesn’t change the facts of this article.


42 posted on 04/24/2012 10:18:14 AM PDT by for-q-clinton (If at first you don't succeed keep on sucking until you do succeed)
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To: Hodar

Curious what 4 windows programs did you try?


43 posted on 04/24/2012 10:20:06 AM PDT by for-q-clinton (If at first you don't succeed keep on sucking until you do succeed)
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To: for-q-clinton

Roxio Creator (came with my DVD player), Adobe Premier Pro (older ... like 2005), Avid Studio (~2003 vintage), Pinnacle (came with my Sony camcorder) and Windows Movie.

They were either too sophisticated, too buggy (crashed often) or too clumsy.

I had a bunch of short videos I had shot of taking my parents on a Carribean cruise for their 50th anniversary. Shots of them arriving at the airport, us packing for the cruise, boarding ... debarking at various stops ... stuff like that.

I just wanted a 5 minute ‘memory’ and spent weeks trying to get it put together. Gaaah! Either the background was too loud, or too quiet, the music didn’t mesh, the transitions were horrible. So, after weeks of working on this for an hour or so during the week - I just gave up.

Then, my friend showed me iMovie on his Mac Mini; and we put together a short video in about 15 minutes - and it looked professional in every way. iMovie has canned plattens you just drop your video/stills into; and it does the work. Utterly painless - and actually quite a bit of fun.


44 posted on 04/24/2012 10:29:48 AM PDT by Hodar ( Who needs laws; when this FEELS so right?)
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To: for-q-clinton

BFD “it was pushed to me” ... I don’t give a rodent’s patoot. You posted it here to start fights. It’s what you do. You are a troll. And a monumental wazoo aperture.


45 posted on 04/24/2012 10:48:33 AM PDT by Keith in Iowa (Willard Romney, purveyor of the world's finest bullmitt. | FR Class of 1998 |)
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To: Hodar

I did some fine tuning to the case with a screw driver and a file. The third DVD drive has worked for about a year and it is ejecting pretty well now. I’m sure they would have some issues with my case modification and we didn’t have an extended warranty anyway.

I still back up and process all of my video and pictures on a windows computer. I was never comfortable with the way that the Mac just does things without me knowing where they were going, besides that, the Mac is an old dual core and I have a nice newer i7 for things that benefit from more horsepower.

You do have a point about printers, there is something seriously wrong with window’s support of wireless printers.


46 posted on 04/24/2012 10:52:14 AM PDT by dangerdoc (see post #6)
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To: for-q-clinton; ~Kim4VRWC's~; 1234; Abundy; Action-America; acoulterfan; AFreeBird; Airwinger; ...
A classic case of our self-designated Mac FUD SPREADER for-q-clinton NOT READING THE ARTICLE!—PING!

The report, released on Tuesday, is based on a “100,000-strong snapshot” of the millions of Macs that downloaded Sophos’s free Mac antivirus software. The study found that 20% of Macs were carrying one or more instances of Windows malware.

I am STILL looking to find widespread reports of the users reporting finding the Flashback trojan on their INFECTED Mac computers on the help forums! I am not finding them. They are JUST NOT THERE... yet the honey pot that Doctor Web reported they have—which reported upwards of 600,000 infected Macs, which we now KNOW was not true and the number keeps dropping—keeps reporting the UUID's of KNOWN TO BE NON-INFECTED Macs, including brand-new, just out of the box iMacs with OSX Lion (which does not have Java installed), as being members of the supposed Mac botnet! Since this is not possible! I maintain it is most likely a hoax of a very small Trojan threat that does exist in the wild and the so-called honey pot is merely a list of known UUIDs assigned to Apple. . . otherwise we would be SEEING a lot of people with infected Macs. We simply are not seeing them.


Apple Mac FUD Ping!

Please, No Flame Wars!
Discuss technical issues, software, and hardware.
Don't attack people!
Don't respond to the Anti-Apple Thread Trolls!
PLEASE IGNORE THEM!!!

If you want on or off the Mac Ping List, Freepmail me.

47 posted on 04/24/2012 11:03:18 AM PDT by Swordmaker
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To: for-q-clinton

Well, anti-virus is a good idea, but it doesn’t protect against malware.

The only thing that will protect against that is not clicking on everything you see.

And, on Windows, regularly running MalwareBytes.


48 posted on 04/24/2012 11:06:47 AM PDT by B Knotts (Just another Tenther)
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To: CitizenUSA
Actually, it wasn’t all that interesting, and I run Mac, Linux, and Windows machines. If you read the article closely, you surely noticed only 2.7% of Macs were infected with Mac OS malware. That seems pretty low to me. The 1 in 5 figure was for Macs with Windows software, i.e. Boot Camp. Based on my experiences, Mac OS is by far a better operating system as far as malware. That’s not saying Windows and Linux don’t have their own advantages. They do.

That's not even "infected"... just present. They are all trojans. They may be sitting in an unopened email... un-executed. If the the Mac is a newer Mac, running Snow Leopard or Lion, ALL of these Trojans would be prevented from running.

The OTHER dirty secret of Sophos' AV, is that it TURNS OFF Apple's own anti-Trojan software so that Sophos' AV can even see the downloads as they occur... otherwise the system prevents the download from occurring! If you were running the System Software as intended, the AV from Sophos would not even see the vast majority of the Mac Trojans it is reporting.

49 posted on 04/24/2012 11:09:07 AM PDT by Swordmaker
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To: Hodar

Wow you tried all the worse ones.

Cyberlink Power Producer is great.
Adobe Premiere Elements is really good too.
If slides are what you want Proshow Gold is the best..it does video too, but not very well.

The WIndows Movie maker was probably the easiest to use in your list, but it’s not powerful enough> I found the two above (Cyberlink and Premier Elements) to strike a good balance between power and useability.


50 posted on 04/24/2012 11:11:18 AM PDT by for-q-clinton (If at first you don't succeed keep on sucking until you do succeed)
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