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Dershowitz: Zimmerman prosecutors should be investigated (References Mobile, AL racial beat-down)
The Examiner ^ | April 24, 2012 | Kevin Kervick

Posted on 04/24/2012 1:37:36 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

Harvard Law School Professor Alan Dershowitz believes the prosecution team in the George Zimmerman case should be investigated to see if they committed a criminal act.

On the Glenn Beck radio program today, Professor Dershowitz said he does not believe the Florida prosecution team had sufficient evidence to charge George Zimmerman with second degree murder in the death of Trayvon Martin in Sanford, Florida. Unless there is additional evidence, Dershowitz believes the second degree murder charge is baseless. Dershowitz added that he does not see any justification for the prosecution to withhold evidence.

Furthermore, in an explosive charge, Dershowitz said he believes the Florida prosecution, may be guilty of committing an ethical violation, and potentially may have committed a criminal act by charging Zimmerman with second degree murder. If the prosecution had access to a photograph showing the bloodied head of Mr. Zimmerman, taken immediately after the incident on February 26, there was no basis for a second degree murder charge, according to Dershowitz. If it were proven that the prosecution had access to the photograph, and filed a second degree murder charge anyway, Dershowitz believes they may be guilty of Subornation of perjury which is a very serious charge.

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...This is an explosive situation because there has already apparently been violence perpetrated by people who believed they were avenging the death of Trayvon Martin. In a tragic situation that occured in Mobile Alabama yesterday, a mob of African-American adults allegedly attacked a white man who had approached some African-American youth about playing basketball in the street. The mob used chairs, pipes, and paint cans to beat the man who is in critical condition. According to a witness at the scene, one of the attackers allegedly said, 'Now that's justice for Trayvon'....

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: alandershowitz; florida; georgezimmerman; trayvonmartin
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I don't think this is what Barry, Eric, Al and Jesse planned. Or is it?
1 posted on 04/24/2012 1:37:48 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Seems not...but have to say my opinion of Derschowitz has been elevated by the way he’s addressed this. Not so much a partisan hack as I’d thought.


2 posted on 04/24/2012 1:40:58 PM PDT by bigbob
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

This is not only what they expected. This is exactly what that had panned on.


3 posted on 04/24/2012 1:41:19 PM PDT by yellowhorse (6 good horses, 3 good women)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Dershowitz would make a GREAT Justice of the SCOTUS. His objectivity is astounding in this era of bastardization of the law based on fear and political correctness. RIGHT ON, DERSH!


4 posted on 04/24/2012 1:42:56 PM PDT by FedsRStealingOurCountryFromUs
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
The charging affidavit...

AFFIDAVIT OF PROBABLE CAUSE - SECOND DEGREE MURDER

Where is the probable cause in that document?

Zimmerman prosecutor under fire (for a previous case)

5 posted on 04/24/2012 1:43:22 PM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I have always liked real liberals that are true to their values. The PC march in step with the Dim party every step to the hard left control of all aspects of society Dims are not my cup of tea by any means, but an honest liberal like Dershowitz or Hitchens is hard to dislike even you on many if not most issues strongly disagree with them.


6 posted on 04/24/2012 1:43:22 PM PDT by JLS (How to turn a recession into a depression: elect a Dem president with a big majorities in Congress))
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Dershowitz occasionally surprises me. He’s a liberal, but not an ideologue. His position on Israel is strong. His book on counterterrorism was legit and thoughtful. His position on torture in terrorist interrogations is reasoned.

And, now this.

SnakeDoc


7 posted on 04/24/2012 1:44:24 PM PDT by SnakeDoctor ("I've shot people I like more for less." -- Raylan Givens)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
"I don't think this is what Barry, Eric, Al and Jesse planned. Or is it?"

Are you kidding me?
This is exactly what they want. Keep the fire going so people will forget how bad ZERO is doing attempting to govern.
It won't work. . . . .

8 posted on 04/24/2012 1:44:34 PM PDT by DeaconRed (Cold War Veteran. . . . US Army Security Agency 1964-1968)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I agree.
9 posted on 04/24/2012 1:45:24 PM PDT by DannyTN
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To: JLS

Honest liberal - one that isn’t just a commie using a different label.


10 posted on 04/24/2012 1:45:44 PM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I don't think this is what Barry, Eric, Al and Jesse planned. Or is it?

No, this is not what they had planned.

What they had planned is "Most of us dead, the rest in chains".

11 posted on 04/24/2012 1:45:58 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

12 posted on 04/24/2012 1:46:24 PM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet - Mater tua caligas gerit ;-{)
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To: DuncanWaring

And the fact that most of us aren’t dead and the rest in chains is a real sore point among 0bama supporters.


13 posted on 04/24/2012 1:48:06 PM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
He, Deshowitz, was on fire on the Beck show this morning. Couldn't believe all that he was saying about the prosecution and the miscarriage of justice!
14 posted on 04/24/2012 1:48:40 PM PDT by Bushbacker1 (I miss President Bush! 2012 - The End Of An Error! (Oathkeeper))
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To: Bushbacker1; All
Deshowitz = Dershowitz

My bad!

15 posted on 04/24/2012 1:50:06 PM PDT by Bushbacker1 (I miss President Bush! 2012 - The End Of An Error! (Oathkeeper))
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To: DannyTN

” They should “

Yeah - and unicorns *should* crap only green Skittles on St. Patrick’s Day...

(As long as we’re listing ‘ain’t gonna happens’... ;)


16 posted on 04/24/2012 1:50:06 PM PDT by Uncle Ike (Rope is cheap, and there are lots of trees...)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Zimmerman had to spend $15,000 on bond that he won`t get back if he had to use a bondsman. So, if this gets thrown out they at bare minimum owe him $15,000. The bondsman did it for 10%. Here in NC, the max is 15%. NON-REFUNDABLE with very few exceptions.


17 posted on 04/24/2012 1:54:20 PM PDT by NCDave (AKA, "That idiot over there")
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To: MrB

No that is a dishonest liberal. They pretend to be some what conservative to seek office or approval of some kind, but toe the PC line. That is Obama.

Hitchens and Dershowitz never that I have seen pretend to be anything other than who they are.


18 posted on 04/24/2012 1:59:57 PM PDT by JLS (How to turn a recession into a depression: elect a Dem president with a big majorities in Congress))
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Angela Corey and her investigators MUST be investigated, before this case turns into a Duke Rape Case. Mike Nifong
was disbarred for bringing bogus charges.
Angela Corey must be disbarred.


19 posted on 04/24/2012 2:08:19 PM PDT by tennmountainman
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To: TigersEye
Affidavit excerpt:

"During the recorded call Zimmerman made reference to people he felt had committed and gotten away with break-ins in his neighborhood. Later while talking about Martin, Zimmerman stated "these a**holes, they always get away" and also said "these f**king punks"."

GUILTY! /sarc

By the way, I don't think Zimm ever said "these f**king punks".. I think he said "it's f**king COLD" and even HE doesn't correctly recall what he said, but.. IT'S IN THIS VIDEO RIGHT HERE. Listen, starting about 2mins,05secs into this analysis!

The affidavit makes a claim that is simply UNTRUE.

20 posted on 04/24/2012 2:08:45 PM PDT by FedsRStealingOurCountryFromUs
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Also reported today on FNC is that George Zimmerman is out of state and that he is relying on donated private protection services. He has no official police protection.


21 posted on 04/24/2012 2:10:39 PM PDT by Red_Devil 232 (VietVet - USMC All Ready On The Right? All Ready On The Left? All Ready On The Firing Line!)
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To: FedsRStealingOurCountryFromUs
“Dershowitz would make a GREAT Justice of the SCOTUS. His objectivity is astounding in this era of bastardization of the law based on fear and political correctness. RIGHT ON, DERSH!”

Let's not get carried away. Dershowitz has made some pretty outlandish charges against conservatives over the years.

22 posted on 04/24/2012 2:14:21 PM PDT by kcvl
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

This trial could mean the end of justice in the United States. The abuses by this administration and its fanatics is reaching a crescendo...


23 posted on 04/24/2012 2:15:01 PM PDT by Typical_Whitey (Obama reelection means the end of America.)
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To: JLS

“Hitchens and Dershowitz never that I have seen pretend to be anything other than who they are.”

==

You do know Hitchens is dead.


24 posted on 04/24/2012 2:15:21 PM PDT by Mears (Alcohol. Tobacco. Firearms. What's not to like?)
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To: Mears

” You do know Hitchens is dead. “

But, unlike Reid and Pelosi, he’s not pretending he’s alive...

;)


25 posted on 04/24/2012 2:19:49 PM PDT by Uncle Ike (Rope is cheap, and there are lots of trees...)
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To: FedsRStealingOurCountryFromUs

You’re going too far now. Dersh is still a living constitutionalist liberal.


26 posted on 04/24/2012 2:30:20 PM PDT by xzins (Vote Goode Not Evil! (the lesser of 2 evils is still evil))
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To: bigbob

” my opinion of Derschowitz has been elevated”

My opinion of him has not changed one bit! I disagree with him on almost everything political, but I’ve always liked him! His perspicacious application of his intelligence and education, and his honesty, has always made for interesting interviews and conversations,,, as opposed to someone like Shultz or Odorman!


27 posted on 04/24/2012 2:33:19 PM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: Typical_Whitey
In the old days in the South, black people could not expect justice in any case that involved white vs. black or a white person's testimony vs. a black person's testimony.

This case is going to make white people, at least those not taken in by the media, realize that the situation has now exactly reversed itself. In a white vs. black case, the white person cannot expect justice--at least not if anyone stands to benefit from a miscarriage of justice.

At least in the Nifong case, the students were eventually cleared. It's not certain that Zimmerman will be cleared or that he will avoid being killed.

28 posted on 04/24/2012 2:33:57 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: Mears

“You do know Hitchens is dead.”

Yes, that gives me much more confidence that nothing Hitchen will do in the future will be thrown back in my face over this praise than in the case of Dershowitz. It is always safer to praise dead honest liberals than live honest liberals who may next week decide to make an about face and start toeing the PC line.

Then again at one time after reading the “Read Anita Hill” I was a fan of the conservative David Brock. So anyone you praise can later become an idiot.


29 posted on 04/24/2012 2:35:04 PM PDT by JLS (How to turn a recession into a depression: elect a Dem president with a big majorities in Congress))
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To: Uncle Ike

“But, unlike Reid and Pelosi, he’s not pretending he’s alive.”

==

Good one,Uncle Ike,good one.

(By the way,I actually had an Uncle Ike.)


30 posted on 04/24/2012 2:35:16 PM PDT by Mears (Alcohol. Tobacco. Firearms. What's not to like?)
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To: P-Marlowe

ping to #26 & #4


31 posted on 04/24/2012 2:35:44 PM PDT by xzins (Vote Goode Not Evil! (the lesser of 2 evils is still evil))
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Serious question.

Who investigates the investigators? Specifically at the State level.

Who would appoint a "special prosecutor", if that is the correct term, to investigate inappropriate actions on the part of Angela Corey and her department?

I think as suggested by others we need to apply serious pressure to the right individuals or branch of government to take action and not just talk to ourselves about it.

32 posted on 04/24/2012 2:36:16 PM PDT by sjmjax (Politicans are like bananas - they start out green, turn yellow, then rot.)
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To: xzins; FedsRStealingOurCountryFromUs

Dershowitz would have been a much better SCOTUS than Kagan or Sotomayor (who together have a combined IQ close to 100). But he is still a LIBERAL.

He is right on when it comes to Israel and if I were accused of a crime, I would want him on my defense team. But there is no way he should be on the Supreme Court. He is as left wing as they come on social issues.


33 posted on 04/24/2012 2:40:48 PM PDT by P-Marlowe
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To: bigbob

“Faint praise,” but I agree with both your words and tone.


34 posted on 04/24/2012 2:40:48 PM PDT by Grampa3711 (Some people bring happiness wherever thet go; others, whenever.)
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To: DannyTN
A couple of legal points:

If the prosecution violated the law in not presenting all the evidence, then prosecute the prosecutors.

They are not required to at this point, in a charging document, but the document itself contains enough information so there should never have been a charge, as it indicates there are required elements of the charge that they admit they will never be able to prove.

They should go after the people in the MSM who edited the tapes and pictures to stir up racial hatred.

That is a First Amendment issue, resolved by viewers and readers turning away from those media. The First Amendment makes the media free, but also allows them to be wrong and stupid. That said, if he is not found guilty, Zimmerman as multi-million dollar cases against a number of media outlets.

They should prosecute the New Black Panthers, Civil rights leaders and anyone else who has called for violence.

Tough to do. It could be called protected opinion.

They should prosecute any assault that claims to be for Trayvon, as a hate crime.

GFL

35 posted on 04/24/2012 2:41:00 PM PDT by MindBender26 (New Army SF and Ranger Slogan: Vengeance is Mine, sayeth the Lord.... but He subcontracts!)
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To: P-Marlowe

Do Kagan and Sotomayor have to come up with ideas, or is that all done for them by ghost-writers and staff?


36 posted on 04/24/2012 2:45:16 PM PDT by xzins (Vote Goode Not Evil! (the lesser of 2 evils is still evil))
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To: TigersEye

Sounds like this prosecutor overcharges to force the accused to plea to a lesser charge. The charge on that 12 year old sounds ridiculous for the alleged events that occurred.


37 posted on 04/24/2012 2:49:48 PM PDT by Girlene
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To: FedsRStealingOurCountryFromUs
I thought he said 'punks' FWIW and it makes sense in context. But big whoop if he did. That's not enough to establish intent to kill except to the most delusional idjit. Zimmerman does have a record of stopping crimes with his calls to police in the past and there were about 15 breakins and burglaries in the recent past so his intent to honestly prevent crimes, handle them legally and a frustration that there were quite a few crimes is easy to establish and provides more than reasonable context for using the word 'punks.'

The affidavit is a mind reading act.

Martin was unarmed and was not committing a crime.

Not in evidence that he was or wasn't.

...by Zimmerman who didn't want the person he falsely assumed was going to commit a crime ...

Mind reading.

38 posted on 04/24/2012 2:50:12 PM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: SE Mom; maggief; Cboldt

FYI


39 posted on 04/24/2012 2:51:51 PM PDT by hoosiermama
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Al and Jesse may have jumped on this bandwagon just to get some TV face time. Barry undoubtedly thinks (rightly) that this brouhaha will give him time for unrelated skulduggery. Eric “Mypeople” is the one among the four who may be cunning enough to see where this is likely to go, and to keep it on track to work against all americans, but for him and his (excluding ordinary blacks, in whom he may have no interest).


40 posted on 04/24/2012 2:54:28 PM PDT by Grampa3711 (Some people bring happiness wherever thet go; others, whenever.)
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To: xzins
Do Kagan and Sotomayor have to come up with ideas, or is that all done for them by ghost-writers and staff?

Since I have never read anything intelligent by either of them, I think maybe they write their own opinions. They have spell checkers and grammar checkers to make sure they spell everything correctly and conjugate their verbs. They don't have any "ideas", just marching orders from the White House.

41 posted on 04/24/2012 2:56:13 PM PDT by P-Marlowe
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To: P-Marlowe

Random Acts of Stupidity.

(with apologies to random acts of kindness)


42 posted on 04/24/2012 2:59:14 PM PDT by xzins (Vote Goode Not Evil! (the lesser of 2 evils is still evil))
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To: hoosiermama

Thanks:)


43 posted on 04/24/2012 3:00:38 PM PDT by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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To: Girlene

It does seem ridiculous to expect a 12 yr old to understand the consequences of his actions which I think is required for a 1st degree murder charge. A prosecutor can overcharge to force a plea deal but I think they need at least a shred of credibility on the greater charge which I think is totally absent re Zimmerman. I’m not a lawyer so it’s JMO.


45 posted on 04/24/2012 3:08:06 PM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Al & Jessie, no. But they’re predictable race-baiters.

Obama has set this up so that he benefits politically no matter what happens. If Zimmerman is acquited — and there are a few riots — then he knows his Black voting base is mobilized for the fall elections. If there is a white backlash and significant (gun) violence, then Obama declares an emergency. An emegency in which he gets to finagle the election returns by putting troops in certain Republican locales. Think “Reconstruction” after the Civil War.


46 posted on 04/24/2012 3:14:55 PM PDT by Tallguy (It's all 'Fun and Games' until somebody loses an eye!)
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To: TigersEye

When you hear the full extent of what is alleged, it doesn’t seem to make much sense. The 12 year old was in an impossible home situation. His own mother was `12 when he was born? The father was abusive. Sounds like he did injure his brother, but whether the two year old would have died is unclear from this piece. The mom neglected take the injured 2 year old to the hospital/dr for hours. What a mess of a home. The child does need punishment/help...but life without the possibility of parole? This prosecutor doesn’t sound too bright.


47 posted on 04/24/2012 3:15:31 PM PDT by Girlene
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To: TigersEye

How do you get ‘punks’ out of ‘cold’???? He had just exited his truck and was reacting to the weather. Otherwise, I totally agree and it was disgusting to watch Angela Corey’s announcement of charges. I couldn’t believe the level of emotion she conveyed. If she’s known as an ‘upstanding professional’ she blew it big time. I thought I was watching ‘The View’ for a second. LOL.. She is an insult to her profession and Dershowitz has been stellar in his remarks. I once hated him but he’s out of the dog house now.


48 posted on 04/24/2012 3:20:22 PM PDT by FedsRStealingOurCountryFromUs
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To: Girlene
I know. The details make the charge seem even more over the top. He was 12 and left alone with a 2 yr old. His mother comes home and does nothing for hours. She's responsible for both of those things.

There is something wrong with Corey. The way she acted at her press conference makes me think she's looking for publicity and big reputation to end her career on. She might get both in all the wrong ways.

49 posted on 04/24/2012 3:23:31 PM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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To: FedsRStealingOurCountryFromUs

It sounded like ‘punks’ to me. YMMV


50 posted on 04/24/2012 3:24:52 PM PDT by TigersEye (Life is about choices. Your choices. Make good ones.)
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