Posted on 04/25/2012 5:21:47 AM PDT by marktwain
I love the garand...but it is too friggin big(especially for my age).
Hey...instead of the french 9mm, how about a mac 10(or a thompson or a grease gun) in 45acp....now thats a pistol caliber.
anyway here is my standard garand vs AR picture
1. Select fire weapons are worthless to the individual. It just wastes ammo. You only use it in large-scale operations for suppressive fire.
2. If I can find ammo, I can probably find the weapon that goes with it.
3. 7.62x39 is much cheaper than .223. I can store more of it with me in that SHTF situation. And you can’t beat the Russian spam can.
4. The 7.62x54R is very cheap and the Mosin-Nagant rifle is easy to find and inexpensive. Good deer rifle.
5. Saiga 12 - 12 gauge AK :)
1. So what? When the SHTF, there will be no rules. No one held it against the Frenchman who took an MP-40 from the Nazi that he killed with an antique revolver. Same scenario.
2. Obtainng a Class-III license and getting a registered selective-auto weapon is A: beyond most people's financial means and B: a great way to attract all the wrong kind of attewntion to yourself, even before the SHTF.
3. In a SHTF scenario those people will be looking to capture or kill you, whether you steal from them or not. It won't be an even fight, I'll admit. But having the right gun is just one component of a larger strategy.
4. Modern low-intensity conflicts and insurgencies are fought with automatic weapons. Those without automatic weapons die. Ammo supply is the whole reason I recommend the 5.56. Of course no one can stockpile enough ammo for the long haul. But 5.56 can be picked up on the field.
5 & 6: See point 4.
No, every household shouldn’t have a firearm; some are hoplophobes, some are incompetent, some are criminal. But EVERY law-abiding citizen should have the option of owning firearms and carrying them for personal protection.
Not every family should have a gun. In fact the loons a quarter mile down the road (my next door neighbors) are a good part of the reason I bought my new bride a S&W .38 and a shotgun.
In all seriousness, a (near) fully armed society is the best protection of freedom. Nearly as good is the widespread knowledge that we are all armed, paying attention and not stupid.
That is my next purchase, an AK.
Unless you have a family member who is not stable or trustworthy around firearms. Goes along with responsible gun ownership. That should be the family’s call and not Eric Holder’s.
You can *hope* your opposition has select fire and believes in suppressive fire. As long as they are not the government supplied by ammunition plants, they will run through their ammo supply very quickly. It takes tremendous discipline to conserve ammo with a full auto during combat.
“Id prefer the reliability of Mr Kalashikoffs piston driven AK than Mr Stoners direct impingement jammer”
Ignorant comment. Just how many people do you think have been killed by M16/M4s in the last 50 years? Hundreds of thousands? Millions? Properly maintained a DI AR-15 is extremely reliable. When you factor in accuracy and availability of 5.56 ammo the AR-15 becomes a valid, possibly better, choice.
“Thats like standing at a crosswalk and someone in a Pacer motions you across...
no, you go ahead, youve already proven youre a poor decision maker”
I have the same reaction when I see an Obama 08/2012 bumper sticker on a car. Give the proven stupid a wide berth.
If the USSC upholds that we are slaves then the Republicans should immediately require every family to own a firearm, and SUV (for the chiiiilren), and a Bible.
yours is not a scientific sampling.
but using your logic...how many have been killed by AK 47s
lots more the ARs, to be sure...
you can buy more AK surplus ammo and cheaper from the former soviet union.
...anyway, for long range accuracy I will take an M-14 or for real accuracy a bolt action....for close in work, I will take the reliability and better caliber of an AK 47(note: not an AK 74...which is another poodle shooter)
hey nobody is saying you shouldn’t enjoy your poodle shooter...thats why its great to live in a country where we can.
No, not everyone should own a gun.
Anyone who wants to own a gun should own one, and those who don’t want to own a gun can be content in being victims of the criminal part of society.
Those who do not own guns in American society benefit greatly from those who do.
A free society has to tolerate a number of free riders for many situations. It goes with the territory.
We dropped crates of Thompsons and Grease Guns to the French during the war. They used them until the ammo ran out. The only Allied weapon that was common with the Resistance was the Sten, because the Resistance could make them and they could fire German ammo.
Full auto ownership isn't practical for civilians anyway. It's way too expensive and attracts too much attention. I'm not advocating it. But in the event of SHTF those actively engaged without automatic weapons will die. This is the consistant lesson of Afghanistan, Bosnia, Chechnya and Somalia, et al. Anyone concerned about SHTF needs to plan for this. Like I said, it's just food for thought.
1. When SHTF, individual actors will die regardless of what they are armed with. Teamwork and organization are keys to survival. Within that paradigm, large-scale operations are not out of scope.
2. True, but with the exception of 5.56 not in quantity.
3. Cheap yes. Endless no. SHTF will require a constant supply of ammo, magazines and spare parts.
4. Love the Mosins. The M44 would be my first and only choice for a wilderness survival rifle. But in a SHTF scenario Mosins will have limited utility.
5. Sounds like fun!
And there's the problem, right there.
Safety is not an end in itself, it's a means to an end ... thinking otherwise (or worse, thinking that safety in an absolute sense is even achievable) continues to be the road to seemingly endless mischief.
Mrs. Bedford seems to have gotten her head straight on this matter.
Just ONE!!???
“NO, convicted felons” ....should own guns.”
Really? Why not?
Cool line, and very true on a battlefield with engagements between company sized forces, but I would feel better with an AR or AK before hostilities begin.
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