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To: Kaslin

Even if the leftist dimocraps unilaterally surrender, it’s not over - not while we still exist.


4 posted on 04/26/2012 4:52:07 AM PDT by The Sons of Liberty (Sworn to Defend The Constitution Against ALL Enemies, Foreign and Domestic. So Help Me GOD!)
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To: The Sons of Liberty

correct


5 posted on 04/26/2012 5:02:02 AM PDT by Kaslin (Acronym for OBAMA: One Big Ass Mistake America)
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To: The Sons of Liberty; Kaslin
"Even if the leftist dimocraps"

You're trying to break it out along a republican vs democrat line or left vs right line.

It actually breaks out along foreign policy doctrines. It is the NeoCon republicans and the Liberal Interventionist democrats. In fact, he is using the republican NeoCon think tank, Foundation for the Defense of Democracies, as an example.

We characterize the NeoCon republicans and Liberal Interventionists democrats as foreign policy Idealists because they both advocate for a foreign policy heavy on humanitarianism and nation building/democracy spreading. But these groups differ in that the Liberal Interventionists are multilateralists and the NeoCons are unilateralists.

On the the other side you have the foreign policy Realists aka pragmatists(republican and democrats) who are not opposed to humanitarianism and democracy building, only that those actions should be seperate from foreign policy.

The impetus for democracy building in the Mideast and North Africa(MENA) began in 1996 when Netanyahu gave a speech to Congress in which he urged the US to democratize the Mideast.

Libya is a good example.

Last year when events in Libya began unfolding, the republican NeoCons immediately began agitating for Obama to intervene, Eliot Cohen wrote his article in WSJ and Paul Wolfowitz in NYT. Realist Bob Gates urged Obama not to intervene. But before long, the Liberal Interventionists had reached a multilateral agreement with NATO that was supported by the Arab League so Obama intervened.

The republican NeoCons praised Obama for intervening but criticized him for taking so long and for doing it multilaterally, leading from behind. Some of the extremist NeoCons like John Bolton criticized obama saying he didn't go far enough and Obama needed to put boots on the ground in Libya.

Then two prominent Realists, Kissinger and Baker, wrote their article in WaPo warning that Libya could blow up in Obama'a face and the US should be more realistic. The anti-war pacifist democrats(kucinich) began calling for the impeachment of Obama.

Then the House republicans thought that might try to play some politics with Libya. So those 43 prominant NeoCons wrote and signed the letter to the House republicans urging them to support intervening in Libya, so the House republicans quickly dropped it.

Whenever you look at a foreign policy issue, you need to recognize that there are three republican foreign policy groups: Realists, NeoCons, and isolationists. And that there are 3 democrat foreign policy groups: Realists, Liberal Interventionists, and anti-war pacifists.

Thru-out 2009 and 2010, the Realists were controlling Obama's foreign policy but the power shifted to the Liberal Interventionists in 2011.

12 posted on 04/26/2012 6:31:45 AM PDT by Ben Ficklin
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