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To: PieterCasparzen

“If they re-elect obama - they need that dose”

You’re dreaming. What will happen if Obama is re-elected is that his policies will become the new center. He will be free to really unleash, unrestrained by the concerns of another election. The next Republican nominee will be someone like Chris Christie or Michael Bloomberg. You will get the opposite of what you want if you work for the victory of Obama.

People do NOT “need a dose”, they need a victory. People need triumph, or the apathy will only grow.


13 posted on 05/01/2012 11:12:18 AM PDT by Dragonspirit (Always remember President Token won only by defecting on his CFR pledge.)
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To: Dragonspirit

In 2008, a majority of the population actually wanted obama to win.

If the majority of the American people want leftist ideology, but a true conservative somehow manages to eek out a victory in the next election using brilliant strategies, groundwork, etc., the conservative President would not be able to garner much public support for their initiatives. As they took actions, the liberal media would be constantly painting them in a negative light as well, and they would find the American people and Congress quite resistant to their plans.

If a clear majority of the nation is fed up with socialism and liberalism, a newly elected conservative President will find that they have public and Congressional support for what they try to do. Reagan experienced this; the public disgust with Carter gave him a clear mandate that gave him considerable influence on Congress legislation. Opposing his programs fell out of political fashion.

Mittens has already appointed a foreign policy spokesman that is an admitted homosexual. This appointment was no accident: he is sending a signal to Republicans, Democrats and Independents that he is turning to the left, in an effort to get support from centrists and independents, i.e., people who have no strong feelings one way or the other on many issues. The message he therefore sends to social conservatives is “the Republican party backed me in the primary, I said as little as possible during the primary so I would not go out on a limb with conservative statements that could be played back in general election ads by nobama; I didn’t need your vote to get the nomination, and I don’t need your vote to win the election”. Of course, the Republican establishment has thrown down the guantlet towards social conservatives, telling them in so many words: you guys are going bye-bye, you and your Bibles and guns are not needed any more by the Republican party. The Republican party is going to be homosexual-friendly, islam-friendly, “progressive”, “green”, union-friendly, etc., etc. The Republican establishment plans on drawing from the centrist well of votes and could care less if the Bible is outlawed completely. They don’t care about persecution, statism, American sovereignty or right and wrong: they care only about winning elections. No matter how bad things are, as long as a Republican is in office, they’re happy.

If Mittens loses, the Republican establishment will have to decide whether to go farther left, or back to the right.

The House will still be Republican and will have people like me screaming at them on the phone every now and then.

The Senate will be close to 50-50 or have a Republican majority.

An obama second term will make today’s popular discontent seem like a walk in the park: about 2/3 of the population will be in a tizzy - extremely upset and their tolerance of garbage legislation and regulation will be practically zero. Obama will be treading on some extremely thin ice in terms of popular support. IMHO, there will be disgust with government like there has never been before.

People will realize that their back is against the wall.

When European bank failures threaten U.S. bank failures, the Federal Reserve might be forced by public outcry to not intervene. Put simply, IMHO, there will be one wild, rockin’, rollin’ time.

If Mittens is elected, liberals and independents will say that conservatives “got their way”. When European bank failures threaten U.S. bank failures, Mittens will attempt to bail everyone out by utterly gargantuan Federal debt. U.S. Treasury bonds will become worth nothing as the world realizes they can never be paid back at current GDP levels and given the legal environment in the U.S., it’s non-consumer industries will shrink even more and unemployment will rise to excrutiating levels.

Even if the sovereign debt collapse were, by some miracle, to not happen during a hypothetical Mittens administration, that would mean jobs would be in the tank, the underlying economy would turn very bad after 2 years of being propped up by his crony gifts to big finance, and he would almost certainly not be re-elected. He would continue government giveaways, both in welfare to people and government slush money to businesses. Business profits will look fine as always, the stock market will be up nicely, but unions, teachers, local taxes, real estate, non-consumer jobs; all those ugly situations will remain and continue to get worse.

And all this will cause Dem strategists to say “See, you had Mittens doing things the conservative way and it’s failed”. Just about the time the 2016 election rolls around, if America is not completely miserable, the economic sugar-high Mittens would try to create will have worn off.

That’s why either way, the most important thing, IMHO, is getting the message of economic reality understood by more people. Including State and local government and Congress. And business leaders need to take the initiative and do two things: hire in American “anyway” and at the same time - most importantly - pressure legislators to start abolishing out of control State and Federal agencies and start fixing our whole frame of mind. Of course, conservatives also, at the local level, need to stir up opposition to left-wing control of schools. We can only get people’s minds corrected one step at a time, and without the people on the right page, they will resist and reject a leader who would do right thing.

IMHO.


14 posted on 05/01/2012 12:09:39 PM PDT by PieterCasparzen (We have to fix things ourselves.)
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