[1010RD]

The history of torture is that it extracts the answer you want, not the correct answer. There are more effective, less distasteful methods.

[Tula Git]

Tell it to Jack Bauer

[jveritas]

First of all “water boarding” and “sleep deprivation” is not torture. Second give me examples of the more effective methods.

[CMAC51]

The history of torture is that it extracts the answer you want, not the correct answer. There are more effective, less distasteful methods.

In a well planned interogation, when a prisoner refuses to talk, you can extract no information. If a prisoner talks, even if they lie, they provide information. The more you talk, the harder it is to keep the lie straight and to keep nuggets of truth out of the lie. The primary purpose of enhanced interogation is to establish in the prisoners mind that they will talk, there is no avoiding it. Then the skilled interrogator can go to work on them.

The driver who provided the first break in the trail to Osama did not do so during torture. He slipped up weeks after he started talking.

[rlmorel]

Actually, the downside (according to what I know about communist torture of our POW’s) is not that people give you the information you want to hear, it is that they give you everything including the truth, things you don’t want to hear, and things that are lies.

It makes it difficult to separate the wheat from the chaff.

But, everyone breaks and talks. Everyone, except for some extremely rare examples.

[rlmorel]

The bottom line, though, is this “report” is not worth the electrons it took to send it over the Internet.

This would have as much significance as hearing “Democrats find little evidence that lowering taxes has any positive effect.”

[PapaBear3625]

The history of torture is that it extracts the answer you want, not the correct answer. There are more effective, less distasteful methods.

The point that some made is that a person undergoing torture will say "anything" to make it stop. But "anything" also includes the truth.

This is why torture should not be used UNLESS YOU CAN VERIFY THE ANSWERS through other means. In the famous "hidden time bomb" scenario, you make clear that the torture will continue until the bomb is actually found. In other circumstances, you are not satisfied until you obtain actionable intelligence: location of safe houses, caches of weapons, secret bank account numbers, etc.

[DBeers]

The history of torture is that it extracts the answer you want, not the correct answer. There are more effective, less distasteful methods.

Then why the Senate Study to prove what is already known historically?

I would say that torture is just an extreme version of coercion and or intimidation which seeks to force people to do things INCLUDING extracting the answer you want; however, that does not mean that you will not get any truthful answers.

The history of coercion and or intimidation shows that people can be forced to do what they otherwise would not INCLUDING revealing information.

The definition of torture rather than being the extreme has evolved to include what is not actually in the extreme including the "more effective, less distasteful methods" you suggest are the alternative.

[plain talk]

The history of torture is that it extracts the answer you want, not the correct answer. There are more effective, less distasteful methods.

Well I don't agree with the first part of your statement but I do agree the U.S. doesn't need to use torture (but should always reserve the right to do so). That is why we use non-torture means for interrogation such as water-boarding.

[kennyboy509]

What is the definition of torture?

The senate is setting us up for something.

This is a trial balloon for ????

[massgopguy]

You don’t know any Bookies do you?