“You’re the one who believes that USC 8 applies to citizens when it doesn’t”
It applies to the children of aliens who qualify to be citizens, therefore it applies to citizens. You know it does, and are carrying on I don’t know why. I suppose by now it’s a matter of pride, and the argument must be won by endless delaying tactics.
“No, my arguments are not ‘null’. You’re the one saying the children are citizens before they’re born when the law says ‘at birth’, not before birth.”
Huh? When did I say they were children before they’re born? I don’t believe in my life I’ve ever considered the citizenship status of the unborn before today, and upon consideration I say “Who cares?” Their status prior to birth is not the issue. Obviously the law applies to them at birth, which is when they become citizens. Therefore, the law applies to citizens, specifically citizens who born to aliens who become citizens at birth by meeting certain qualifications.
“Therefore, the children can’t be naturalized citizens, via that particular section of USC 8, until they are born so no citizens are covered by the law.”
You’re seriously beyond me now. I have no idea what you’re getting at, unless it’s, like, you become a citizen at birth, but the law can’t apply to you until a couple seconds after your born. But since by that time you’re a citizen and everyone knows it, the law somehow doesn’t apply to you because it’s about aliens and their chidren.
What?!?! We’re in cloud cuckoo land. The law applies to you at birth when, bam!, you’re a citizen. The law and your citizenship apply to you at the same time, as it were. There’s no lacuna between your birth and when the law can apply to you that excludes you from consideration under the law.
“Aliens, and the children of aliens, are the subject, not citizens or the children of citizens.”
But, as I’ve said about 47 times now, the children of aliens can be citizens. Therefore, the law applies to citizens.
“Are aliens citizens of this nation? No!”
No. Once again, though, their children can be.
“The children are naturalized at birth”
There’s no such thing, but for the limited purposes of this argument, okay. let’s say they are. They’re naturalized by this law, and are citizens. Therefore, this law applies to citizens.
“not before birth, via positive laws and under the proper uniform rules of naturalization Congress was empowered to create.”
Actually, if they’re born after the passage of the law, yes, before birth. Not that they are citizens before birth; you have to be born to be a citizen, as everyone agrees. But the groundwork for you being a citizen automatically at birth has been established before your birth.
Whatever, what relevance does this have to our disagreement? Before birth or after birth, it’s about people getting to be a born citizens according to a few qualifications. Therefore, it applies to citizens: the citizens who are born according to its qualifications.
You know it does, and are carrying on I don’t know why.
I know no such thing. In fact, this is what we both know...
The section under discussion applies to children who are born to aliens.
You’re the one saying the children are citizens before they’re born when the law says ‘at birth’, not before birth.
When did I say they were children before they’re born?
You're saying they're citizens before they're born. How obtuse can you get?
The law applies to you at birth when, bam!, you’re a citizen.
Again, as you well know...The section under discussion applies to children who are born to aliens.
But, as I’ve said about 47 times now, the children of aliens can be citizens.
Have I said they couldn't be?
Therefore, this law applies to citizens.
Once again...The section of the law under discussion applies to children who are born to aliens. It doesn't apply to citizens.
You can argue it all you want, but a cloud is a cloud and rain is only rain after it starts to fall.